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>>> THEN HE SAID HE WENT UPSTAIRS, AND HE WENT UPSTAIRS AND HE FOUND RACHEL AND LILY SHOT, AND THAT -- >> DID HE DESCRIBE IT IN A PARTICULAR WAY? >> NO, THAT'S ALL HE SAID, AND HE SAID BUT IT WAS JUST A BIG MESS. >> WERE THOSE THE WORDS OF A DISTRAUGHT HUSBAND OR A KILLER? CHILLING TESTIMONY IN THE MURDER TRIAL OF NEIL ENTWISTLE. THAT'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW ON OPEN COURT. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO OPEN COURT. I'M LISA BLOOM. CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF MURDER VICTIM RACHEL ENTWISTLE TESTIFIED IN THE TRIAL OF HER HUSBAND NEIL YESTERDAY, AND NEW TESTIMONY IS EXPECTED TO START IN THAT MASSACHUSETTS COURTROOM ANY MINUTE NOW. WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU LIVE AS SOON AS IT DOES. FIRST, MY OPENING STATEMENT. YESTERDAY WE WATCHED THE SAD TESTIMONY OF JOSEPH MATTERAZZO, THE STEPFATHER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE, WHO WAS MURDERED ALONG WITH HER BABY DAUGHTER, LILLIAN. SADLY, IT WAS JOSEPH MATTERAZZO'S GUN THAT WAS USED IN THOSE MURDERS, ACCORDING TO PROSECUTORS. IF THAT'S SO, THIS IS YET ANOTHER CASE WHERE A LEGAL GUN OWNED BY A WELL-INTENTIONED CITIZEN IS USED IN A HOMICIDE. A GUN KEPT IN THE HOME IS 22 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE USED IN AN UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTING, A HOMICIDE, OR A SUICIDE THAN IN SELF-DEFENSE. 13-YEAR-OLD NATHANIEL BRAZIL TOOK HIS GRANDFATHER'S GUN AND MURDERED HIS TEACHER. A BURGLAR SHOT AND KILLED GUN CLETHER JOSEPH DILLARD WITH HIS OWN GUN. VIOLENT CRIMES ARE MUCH LOWER IN ENGLAND WHICH HAS STRICT GUN CONTROL LAWS. AT A MINIMUM THIS CASE SHOULD BE A TRAGIC REMINDER TO AMERICAN GUN OWNERS TO LOCK UP THEIR FAIR ARMS AND HIDE THE KEY IN A PLACE EVEN FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T KNOW ABOUT. JOSEPH MATTERAZZO WAS ON THE STAND FOR MOST OF THE DAY YESTERDAY, AND CORRESPONDENT BETH KARAS JOINS US LIVE FROM WOULD MASSACHUSETTS WITH THE BIGGEST MOMENT FROM HIS TESTIMONY. GOOD MORNING, BETH. >> Reporter: GOOD MORNING, LISA. AS YOU SAID, JOE MATTERAZZO WAS ONE OF TEN WITNESSES ACTUALLY TO TESTIFY, BUT HE WAS THE LONGEST OF THOSE WITNESSES. HE DID OWN THE GUN, THE .22 REVOLVER THAT WAS USED TO KILL RACHEL AND HER BABY, HER 9-MONTH-OLD BABY LILLIAN AS THEY LAY IN THE MASTER BEDROOM OF THEIR NEW HOUSE. JOE MATTERAZZO TESTIFIED ABOUT PHONE CALLS HE RECEIVED FROM NEIL ENTWISTLE, RACHEL'S HUSBAND, AFTER THE MURDERS. NOW, THE MURDERS WERE ON JANUARY 20th. HE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS, FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS, FROM JANUARY 23rd TO 26th, 2006, FROM ENTWISTLE, AND HE TOLD THE JURY A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ENTWISTLE SAID. ENTWISTLE NEVER ADMITTED TO THE KILLINGS. HE'S ALWAYS DENIED THAT, BUT HE HAD SOMETHING INTERESTING TO SAY, PERHAPS IT WAS A SLIP OF THE TONGUE, BUT IT DID HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COURTHOUSE TALKING YESTERDAY. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION, SIR, TO SPEAK TO HIM AT SOME POINT IN TIME ABOUT FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS? >> YES. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT DAY THAT CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE? IF YOU RECALL. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS WEDNESDAY. MIGHT HAVE BEEN WEDNESDAY OR TUESDAY. HE ASKED ME IF RACHEL AND LILY COULD BE BURIED TOGETHER. >> DID HE SAY ANYTHING FURTHER? >> YES. HE SAYS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I LEFT THEM, I MEAN THAT'S THE WAY I FOUND THEM. >> SO IS THAT HOW HE LEFT THEM, HOW HE FOUND THEM? IT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT IF THAT WAS A SLIP OF THE TONGUE, MICHAEL FABBRI IN CLOSING ARGUMENTS WILL REMIND THE JURORS ABOUT IT. ENTWISTLE DID NOT ATTEND THE FUNERAL OF HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER ON FEBRUARY 1ST, 2006, BUT MICHAEL FABBRI, THE D.A., SAID IN OPENING STATEMENTS HE SENT FLOWERS AND A CARD INSTEAD. WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET FROM ANY WITNESSES. THAT MAY STILL COME. TODAY JURORS ARE EXPECTED TO HEAR FROM A SLEW OF WITNESSES AGAIN, AND THEY MAY SEE SECURITY VIDEO FROM LOGAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WHERE THE CAR THAT THE ENTWISTLES WERE LEASING, A BMW SUV IS SEEN COMING AND GOING AND COMING BACK, AND THEN IT'S PARKED THERE AFTER ENTWISTLE LEFT TO ENGLAND ON A ONE-WAY TICKET. >> BETH, AS WE HAVE SAID, IT WAS JOE MATTERAZZO'S GUN THAT WAS USED IN THE SHOOTING ACCORDING TO PROSECUTORS. WE HEARD A LOT OF ALIBI WITNESSES YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT JOE MATTERAZZO'S WHEREABOUTS. WAS HE EVER CONSIDERED A SUSPECT? >> Reporter: HE HAD TO BE RULED OUT. I DON'T THINK HE WAS EVER CONSIDERED A SUSPECT, BUT IN TRYING TO DETERMINE A MURDERER IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THE POLICE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE WHO HAD THE MOST CONTACT WITH THE VICTIMS AND THEN SORT OF WORK OUT FROM THERE TO POSSIBLY STRANGERS. NEIL ENTWISTLE COULD NEVER BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS CIRCLE OF PEOPLE WHO HAD A LOT OF CONTACT WITH HER AND REALLY IT APPEARS THAT THE INVESTIGATION DIDN'T DEVIATE MUCH FROM HIM. BUT BECAUSE THE ENTWISTLES LIVE WITHED MATTERAZZOS FOR THREE MONTHS BEFORE LEASING THEIR OWN HOUSE, AND IT WAS JOE MATTERAZZO'S GUN. THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HIS GUN INITIALLY. THEY FOUND THAT OUT AFTER THE AUTOPSY WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO REMOVE THE INTACT BULLET FROM RACHEL, AND IT WAS WITHIN A WEEK OR SO THEY WERE ABLE TO MATCH IT, AND THEN THE DNA MATCHED HER AND HIM, AT LEAST IS CONSISTENT WITH HER AND NEIL, BUT OTHERS USED THE GURN. AND HE USED THE GUN THE DAY AFTER THE KILLING AT A GUN CLUB HE BELONGED TO. HE WASN'T A SUSPECT. THAT'S A STRONG TERM, BUT HE'S SOMEONE THAT HAD TO BE RULED OUT. >> JOE MAT RO ZO TESTIFIED ABOUT THE LOVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RACHEL AND HER MOTHER. HE TALKED ABOUT HE PERSONALLY WALKED HER DOWN THE AISLE AT HER WEDDING. SOME EMOTIONAL MOMENTS I'M ASSUMING IN THAT COURTROOM. HOW WAS THE JURY REACTING? >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THE JURY IS VERY ATTENTIVE. SOME OF THEM TAKE NOTES, BUT THEY SORT OF TURN IN THEIR CHAIRS TOWARD THE WITNESS, WHICH MEANS WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR SHOULDERS, THEIR BACK. WE CAN'T ALWAYS SEE THE FACES OF THE JURORS, BUT I CERTAINLY DIDN'T OBSERVE ANY EMOTION FROM THE JURORS. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG WELL OF THE COURTROOM, AND SO I'M NOT REALLY CLOSE TO THE JURY. I'M NOT SURE I WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE UNLESS SOMEBODY DABBED THEIR EYES. >> AND I HAVE TWO GUESTS JOINING ME HERE IN NEW YORK. ANITA KAY IS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND FORMER PROSECUTOR. GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> AND DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS A NEW YORK-BASED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, ONE OF OUR FAVORITES AS WELL. PAT, GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> ANITA, LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU. IS THAT A BOMBSHELL MOMENT IN THE COURTROOM HEARING THE TESTIMONY YESTERDAY THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE SAID TO RACHEL'S STEPFATHER AFTER THE KILLINGS, THAT'S THE WAY I LEFT THEM -- I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I FOUND THEM? >> LISA, YES. MY FIRST INSTINCT WAS WOW. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT? THAT'S HOW I LEFT THEM. BUT THEN I STARTED THINKING, WELL, IT COULD BE IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. IF YOU BELIEVE NEIL ENTWISTLE'S STORY THAT HE WENT IN THERE, HE FOUND THEM LIKE THAT, AND HE LEFT, IT COULD BE I LEFT THEM THAT WAY. DID HE SPEND ANY TIME WITH THEM? HE WAS SO FREAKED OUT, SO MAYBE THE WAY HE SAID IT WAS THE WAY IT WAS. I LEFT THEM THAT WAY, BUT NOT THAT HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. HE JUST LEFT. >> DR. SAUNDERS, IS THAT A FREUDIAN SLIP? >> IT MIGHT WELL BE A FREUDIAN SLIP, AROUND CERTAINLY SPEAK TO CONSCIOUSNESS TO GUILT, BUT ANITA HAS A POINT IT COULD BE A LITERAL COMMENT ABOUT CONCRETELY THAT'S HOW I LEFT THEM, BUT THE NEXT STATEMENT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS GOT TO BE SUCH A MESS, I THINK IS A LITTLE MORE DAMMING. >> AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LIVE PICTURE OF NEIL ENTWISTLE COMING INTO THE COURTROOM, FRANKED, OF COURSE, BY THE BAILIFFS AND SECURITY OFFICERS IN THAT COURTROOM. BETH, WHAT DO WE EXPECT TO BE ON TOP FOR THAT TRIAL? >> Reporter: WELL, WE'RE NOT MADE PRIVY TO WHAT THE WITNESS LIST IS FOR THE DAY. THE LAWYERS DO NOT SAY IT IN OPEN COURT, BUT I AM AWARE THAT THERE'S A DVD THAT MAY BE PRESENTED, AND IT IS THE SECURITY VIDEO FROM LOGAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. SO THAT WOULD MEAN SOME POLICE WITNESSES, PERHAPS SOME STATE POLICE WITNESSES. IT'S ALMOST TIME TO GET INTO THAT HOPKINTON POLICE AND STATE POLICE IN THE CASE. A LOT OF CIVILIANS HAVE TESTIFIED. 14 WITNESSES SO FAR. WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE GATELIES, JOANNA AND MAUREEN WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DINNER WITH THE ENTWISTLES ON SATURDAY, AND THEY STAYED IN THEIR CAR OVERNIGHT WAITING FOR RACHEL TO COME HOME BECAUSE SHE WAS MISSING AND IT WAS VERY UNCHARACTERISTIC OF HER. >> AND WE SEE NEIL ENTWISTLE'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF NEIL ENTWISTLE IN THE COURTROOM WHIST PERING TO HIM. THAT'S ELLIOT WEINSTEIN. I HAVE BEEN INTRIGUED BY THE DIRECT EXAMINATION, AND ALSO BY THE CROSS-EXAMINATION. A NUMBER OF WITNESSES HAVE SAID THAT NEIL AND RACHEL SEEMED TO HAVE A NICE MARRIAGE. THEY SEEMED TO GET ALONG. HE CARED FOR THE BABY. IF HE'S A MURDERER, THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF TESTIMONY WE'D BE EXPECTING. >> Reporter: RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO START POINTING THE FINGER AT SOME STRANGER WHO MAY HAVE HAD A MOTIVE TO DO THIS THEM, SOMEONE THEY WERE DOING BUSINESS WITH. HE DIDN'T REVEAL ANYTHING IN HIS OPENING STATEMENT, BUT HE CLEARLY -- HE AND STEPHANIE PAGE, THE TWO DEFENSE LAWYERS, ARE CONSISTENT IN BRINGING OUT THROUGH ANY WITNESSES WHO HAD CONTACT WITH THE ENTWISTLES THAT IT WAS A LOVING, CARING RELATIONSHIP. >> I MEAN, DR. SAUNDERS, WOULDN'T YOU EXPECT TO SEE SOME KIND OF SIGNS, SOME CRUELTY, ABUSE, NOT BEING CONNECTED WITH HIS DAUGHTER? >> NOT NECESSARILY, LISA. WHEN PEOPLE ARE DETACHED ENOUGH AND BUILD A HOUSE OF LIES AND PRETENSE, THEY CAN LOOK LIKE THEY'RE VERY HAPPY ON THE SURFACE. THEY WORK VERY HARD AT IT, BUT THEY CAN DO IT. >> WELL, JOSEPH MATTERAZZO TESTIFIED HE KEPT HIS FIREARMS LOCKED IN HIS BEDROOM, BUT DESPITE HIS SAFETY PRECAUTIONS, IT WAS ONE OF HIS GUNS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE THE MURDER WEAPON. MATTERAZZO ALSO SAID ONE SET OF KEYS TO HIS GUN LOCK DISAPPEARED IN THE MONTHS BEFORE THE MURDERS. >> THE SET THAT'S IN MY BEDROOM IS MISSING. >> AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST LEARN THAT THAT WAS MISSING? >> I'M NOT -- I DON'T EXACTLY REMEMBER. >> SOMETIME IN 2006 OR AFTER THAT? >> YES. >> SO TODAY'S QUESTION OF THE DAY IS, IS IT EVER A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP GUNS IN THE HOUSE? YOU CAN SEND US YOUR ANSWERS. JUST LOGON TO CNN.COM SLASH CRIME AND CLICK ON OPEN COURT OR E-MAIL US DIRECTLY AT OPENCOURT@CNN.COM. >>> WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR HIS DEMEANOR DURING THAT CONVERSATION? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT DEMEANOR? >> HIS VOICE WAS VERY SHAKY. WHIMPERING TYPE I GUESS. >> WHIMPERING TYPE? >> YES. VERY SHAKY. >> DO YOU RECALL THE FIRST THING HE SAID TO YOU, SIR? >> YES. >> WHAT DID HE SAY? >> FIRST HE SAID, HI, JOE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS GOT LIKE THIS. >> WELCOME BACK. WE HAVE LIVE ACTION IN THE COURTROOM. IT HAS JUST RESUMED FOR THE MORNING. LET'S GO RIGHT IN AND LISTEN LIVE. >> WOULD YOU JUST MOVE YOUR CHAIR A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. >> CERTAINLY. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING. >> WHERE DO YOU LIVE? >> I LIVE IN HOPKINTON, MASSACHUSETTS. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED IN HOPKINTON? >> ABOUT 13 YEARS. >> WHO DO YOU LIVE THERE WITH? >> WITH MY FAMILY. >> ARE YOU EMPLOYED? >> I AM. >> WHAT DO YOU DO? >> I'M A MARKETING PROFESSIONAL. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THAT? >> ABOUT 15 YEARS. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PREMISES LOCATED AT 6 CUBS PATH? >> YES, I AM. >> HOW IS IT THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT? >> I LIVE THERE WITH MY FAMILY AND I LOANED THE PROPERTY UP UNTIL OCTOBER OF THIS PAST YEAR. >> AND IN OCTOBER OF 2007, DID YOU DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY? >> YES. WE SOLD THE PROPERTY. >> AND WHO DID YOU OWN IT WITH? >> I OWNED IT WITH MY HUSBAND. >> PRIOR TO THE FALL OF 2007, DID YOU LIVE IN THAT PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> I DID LIVE THERE WITH MY FAMILY FOR TEN YEARS. >> AND WHEN DID YOU MOVE OUT? >> THE FALL OF 2005. >> WHAT WAS YOUR REASON FOR MOVING OUT? >> WE LOCATED TO ANOTHER HOME WITHIN TOWN. AND WE USED THE PROPERTY AS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY. >> DID YOU RETAIN THE SERVICES OF SOMEBODY ELSE TO RENT THAT PROPERTY? >> YES. WE HAD A REAL ESTATE AGENT HELP US FIND TENANTS FOR THE PROPERTY. >> WHEN DID YOU PUT IT ON THE MARKET FOR RENTAL? >> PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND WHEN WE MOVED OUT, NOVEMBER 2005. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO AT SOME POINT RENT IT? >> YES, WE WERE. >> AND WHEN WAS THAT? >> THE LEASE STARTED IN JANUARY OF 2006. >> EXHIBIT NUMBER 4, YOUR HONOR, IS BRVE THE WITNESS. MA'AM, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT? >> YES, I HAVE. >> DO YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH? >> YES. >> WHAT IS IT? >> THAT'S OUR HOME AT 6 CUB PATH. >> IS THAT HOW IT APPEARED GENERALLY BACK IN THE FALL OF 2005? >> YES. >> CALLING YOUR ATTENTION TO SOMETIME IN DECEMBER, 2005, DID YOU BEGIN SPEAKING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS ABOUT THE LEASE OF YOUR FORMER HOME AT 6 CUBS PATH? >> OUR REAL ESTATE AGENT HAD IDENTIFIED TENANTS FOR US. >> YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE REAL ESTATE AGENT? >> YES. >> AS A RESULT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, DID YOU ENTER INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT OF THAT PROPERTY? >> YES. >> TO WHOM DID YOU LEASE IT? >> NEIL AND RACHEL ENTWISTLE. >> DO YOU SEE THE GENTLEMAN THAT YOU EVENTUALLY CAME TO KNOW AS NEIL ENTWISTLE IN THE COURTROOM? >> YES, I DO. >> DESCRIBE HIM AND POINT HIM OUT. >> THE DARK SUIT. >> WOULD THE RECORD SO REFLECT, YOUR HONOR? >> IT MAY. >> MA'AM, WHEN DID YOU ENTER INTO THAT LEASE AGREEMENT? >> I BELIEVE THE LEASE WAS SIGNED THE FIRST WEEK IN JANUARY OF 2006. >> AND COULD YOU GENERALLY DESCRIBE THE TERMS OF THAT LEASE. >> YES. IT WAS A SHORT-TERM LEASE. THREE MONTHS. WITH AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL OF THREE ADDITIONAL MONTHS ASSUMING ALL THE LEASE TERMS WERE MET. >> WHAT WAS THE MONTHLY RENTAL FEE OR LEASE FEE? >> $2,700 A MONTH. >> WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL FEES REQUIRED UPON SIGNING THE LEASE? >> YES. WE HAD A FIRST MONTH'S, A LAST MONTH'S, AND A SECURITY DEPOSIT. >> MA'AM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD LIVED IN THAT HOME FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS BEFORE RENTING IT. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU LIVED THERE WITH YOUR FAMILY? >> YES. >> DESCRIBE GENERALLY THE LAYOUT OF THE HOME INCLUDING ANY GARAGE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> CERTAINLY. IT'S A FOUR-BEDROOM COLONIAL WITH A TWO-CAR GARAGE UNDERNEATH THE HOME WITH ENTRY INTO THE HOME. THE BASEMENT WAS FINISHED, SO WE ENTERED THE HOME THROUGH THE GARAGE. IT WAS INTO A FINISHED AREA. THE MAIN LEVEL COMING IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR, THERE WAS A LIVING ROOM ONL THE LEFT, DINING ROOM ON THE RIGHT. BACK OF THE FOYER, BACK OF THE HOUSE WAS A KITCHEN ON THE MAIN PART AND OVER TOP A TWO-CAR GARAGE WAS THE FAMILY ROOM WITH AN OPENING IN THE KITCHEN. UPSTAIRS THERE WERE FOUR BEDROOMS, TWO BATHS, MASTER BEDROOM ON THE FAR LEFT OF THE HOUSE OVER THE LIVING ROOM, SMALL ROOM OVER THE FOYER, AND TWO ADDITIONAL ROOMS, ONE OVER THE DINING ROOM AND ONE OVER THE BACK OF THE KITCHEN. >> I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE. >> YES. >> WOULD YOU ENTER INTO THE FAMILY ROOM FROM THERE? >> YES. >> HOW ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS THEMSELVES? >> THERE WERE TWO WIRED BUTTONS FROM INSIDE THE GARAGE RIGHT BY THE DOOR THAT WAS ENTERED INTO THE HOME. THERE WERE TWO GARAGE DOOR OPENERS AND THEN THERE WAS A WIRELESS KEYPAD ENTRY ON ONE OF THE GARAGES ON THE OUTSIDE. >> I PLACED ON ENVELOPE BEFORE YOU WITH TWO ITEMS INSIDE. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THOSE? >> YES. THESE ARE THE GARAGE DOOR OPENERS. >> AND WHETHER OR NOT THOTION THOSE GARAGE DOOR OPENERS WERE PASSED ON TO THE FAMILY WHO LEASED YOUR HOME IN 2006? >> WE HAD LEFT THEM WITH THE REAL ESTATE AGENT, AND, YES, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE PROVIDED TO THEM. >> I'D ASK THAT BE MARKED AS THE NEXT EXHIBIT. >> I HAVE NO OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> IT MAY BE. A NEXT NUMBER "A" AND "B." I'M SORRY. THE NEXT NUMBER EXHIBIT "A" AND B. >> THE NEXT NUMBER EXHIBIT "A" AND "B." >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 11A AND 11B. THANK YOU. >> MA'AM, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A KEYPAD OR KEYPADS ACTUALLY BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE HOME. DID YOU AND YOUR FAMILY USE THAT KEYPAD TO OPEN AND CLOSE THOSE GARAGE DOORS? >> OCCASIONALLY IF WE WERE OUTSIDE WE WOULD USE THE KEYPAD TO ENTER THE HOME. >> WAS THERE A CERTAIN CODE THAT WENT ALONG WITH THOSE KEY PADS? >> THERE WAS A CODE, YES. >> AND TO WHOM WAS THAT CODE KNOWN IN YOUR FAMILY? >> MY CHILDREN KNEW THE CODE, MY HUSBAND KNEW THE CODE, AND I DID. >> WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD PROVIDED THAT CODE TO ANYONE ELSE? >> WE HAD PROVIDED IT TO MY FRIEND, OUR NEIGHBOR, NANCY RAMSEY. >> AND -- >> AND OUR REAL ESTATE AGENT. >> THE RAMSEYS IN RELATION TO YOUR HOME, YOUR FORMER HOME, IF YOU WERE TO FACE 6 CUBS PATH, WHERE WOULD THE HOME BE, TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT? >> THE HOME IMMEDIATELY ON THE RIGHT SHARING A PROPERTY LINE. >> WHEN DID YOU GIVE THEM THAT CODE? >> PROBABLY YEARS BEFORE, PROBABLY A YEAR OR TWO. >> AND HAD YOU CHANGED YOUR CODE AT ALL FROM WHEN YOU FIRST USED IT AND GAVE IT TO THE RAMSEYS? >> NO. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, IF I COULD, TO JANUARY 7th, 2006. DO YOU REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY THAT DAY? >> YES. I SPOKE WITH NEIL THAT MORNING. >> AND CAN YOU GENERALLY OUTLINE THE TOPICS THAT YOU DISCUSSED. >> YES. WE SPOKE PLEASANTRIES. WE TALKED ABOUT PAYMENT OF THE OIL. THE OIL WAS STILL BEING FILLED AND HANDLED BY ME. TALKED ABOUT FOOD STORES THAT WERE CLOSE BY AND JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IF THEY NEEDED ANYTHING, AND THAT THEY WERE IN THE HOUSE, AND PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. >> THE NEXT DAY DID YOU GO SOME PLACE? >> YES. >> THE NEXT DAY OR SO? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO? >> I DROPPED OFF AN ADDITIONAL KEY AT THE HOUSE LATE THAT AFTERNOON, SUNDAY AFTERNOON. >> AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY -- EXCUSE ME. ANYONE WAS AT HOME WHEN YOU DROPPED OFF THAT KEY? >> I WENT TO LEAVE THE KEY AS I HAD SAID TO NEIL THAT I WAS JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE SCREEN DOOR, BUT WHILE I WAS THERE, SOMEONE OPENED THE DOOR AND RACHEL INTRODUCED HERSELF. SO I GAVE HER THE KEY. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT AGAIN IF THEY NEEDED ANYTHING AND WHERE THINGS WERE LOCATED NEARBY, AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET NEIL. HE CAME AROUND NEAR THE END OF THE CONVERSATION, INTRODUCED HIMSELF, AND THEN I LEFT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU MA'AM, I SEE YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE BAG. TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONTENTS, TELL US IF YOU RECOGNIZE THEM IN A SPECIFIC OR A GENERAL WAY. >> IN GENERAL THESE ARE THE SHAPE OF THE KEYS THAT WERE USED FOR THE -- TO ENTER THE HOME. >> THEY MAY BE MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION. >>> THERE'S STILL TIME TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS INTO "OPEN COURT" AND ANSWER OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY. IS IT EVER A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP GUNS IN THE HOUSE? JUST LOGON TO CNN.COM SLASH CRIME AND SLICK ON OPEN COURT OR E-MAIL US DIRECTLY AT OPENCOURT@CNN.COM. WELL, WE HAVE LIVE TESTIMONY. LET'S GO RIGHT INTO THE COURTROOM. ON THE STAND LIVE IS KIM PUIG. HE'S THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE THAT THE ENTWISTLES RENTED. >> YOUR HONOR, EXHIBIT 12 IS THE >> IT MAY BE MARKED. CHECK FOR $5,400 AND 13 IS $2,700. >> THANK YOU. >> BY PAYING THE FIRST AND LAST MONTH'S RENT AND THE SECURITY DEPOSIT, THEY WERE PAID UP FOR A FULL THREE MONTHS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE CANNOT APPLY IT TO SECURITY DEPOSIT TOWARDS MONTHLY RENTAL. SO I HAD TWO MONTH'S RENT, MA'AM. >> THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD AN OPTION TO RENEW. >> YES. >> AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD NO CONCERNS ABOUT BEING PAID YOUR MONTHLY FEE FROM THE ENTWISTLES, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THAT IS TRUE. I WOULD SAY WE WERE CONCERNED AND THAT'S WHY WE ONLY ENTERED A THREE-MONTH LEASE. >> THEY RENTED THE THREE MONTHS -- I'M SORRY. THEY HAD A RENTAL BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING TO BUY A HOME AND THEY JUST WANTED TO CHECK OUT AND SEE HOW THE AREA WAS, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> MY REAL ESTATE AGENT SAID THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A LONGER LEASE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE RENTING, MA'AM. >> EXCUSE ME. I MOVE TO STRIKE THAT, YOUR HONOR. >> THE RESPONSE IS STRICKEN. JUST LISTEN TO THE QUESTION, IF YOU WOULD, AND ANSWER IT YES OR NO, AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER IT YES OR NO, JUST SAY YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT YES OR NO. >> OKAY. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU KNEW THEY WERE RELOCATING TO THE HOPKINTON AREA. >> YES. >> AND YOU KNEW THAT MR. ENTWISTLE CAME FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM? >> YES. >> AND YOU KNEW THAT RACHEL HAD RECENTLY -- BOTH RACHEL AND MOOEL HAD RECENTLY MOVED BACK TO THE UNITED STATES? >> YES. >> AND MR. ENTWISTLE WAS LOOKING FOR A JOB IN THE HOPKINTON AREA? >> YES. >> NOW, AT SOME POINT AFTER -- AT SOME POINT IN FEBRUARY YOU HAD -- YOU WENT INTO YOUR HOME WHICH HAD BEEN VACATED, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND THAT WAS TO SEE WHAT WAS LEFT IN THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF PROPERTY OF THE ENTWISTLES? >> NO. WE ENTERED THE HOME TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. >> AND WHEN YOU WENT IN TO SECURE THE PROPERTY, IT DID APPEAR THAT THERE WAS STILL LOTS OF BOXES IN THE HOUSE THAT WERE NOT YET UNPACKED? >> THERE WERE SOME BOXES IN THE BASEMENT THAT WERE NOT UNPACKED. >> AND THERE WAS AN INVENTORY OF -- YOU MADE A LIST OF WHAT WAS NOT YOURS SO THAT IT COULD BE REMOVED, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >> YOU WANTED TO GET THE BELONGINGS THAT DIDN'T BELONG TO YOU OUT OF THE HOUSE SO YOU COULD RERENT IT? >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> YOU WANTED TO GET THE ENTWISTLES BELONGINGS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? >> AT SOME POINT ONCE WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONVICT -- THAT'S NOT THE WORD. >> EVICTION. >> EVICTION. >> AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE HOUSE HAD BEEN VACATED AS OF THE END OF JANUARY AT LEAST BY THEN. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND YOU WANTED TO GET THE BELONGINGS OF THE ENTWISTLES' OUT OF YOUR HOME. >> NO. >> YOU WANTED TO RE-LEASE IT PERHAPS? >> I STILL HAD A LEGAL TENANT, AND I WAS GOING THROUGH LANDLORD/TENANT LAW TO TRY TO REMOVE THE TENANT FOR NOT PAYING THE FEBRUARY RENT. >> AND MR. ENTWISTLE HAD INFORMED YOU THAT HE HAD RELINQUISHED ALL INTEREST IN THE CUBS PATH HOME. YOU HAD BEEN TOLD THAT. >> RIGHT, BUT I HAD NOTHING IN WRITING, MA'AM. >> YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHETHER THERE WAS ANY PROPERTY IN THAT HOUSE THAT YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >> IF SOMEBODY HAS VACATED THE HOUSE -- ARE YOU WITH ME ON THAT? >> YES. >> AND YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE PREVIOUS RENTERS HAVE -- ARE NOT COMING BACK -- >> YES. >> -- YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THEIR STUFF OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> IF THE WITNESS IS ABLE TO ANSWER, SHE MAY ANSWER. >> I WAS NOT IN ANY QUICK INTEREST TO GET IT OUT, MA'AM. >> SO YOU SAID IT WAS INVESTMENT PROPERTY? >> YES. >> SO INVESTMENT PROPERTY MEANS YOU WANTED TO MAKE MONEY OFF THE PROPERTY? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY WAS IDLE, THE LONGER YOU WERE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY? >> YES. >> AND IN ANY EVENT, YOU HAD THREE MONTHS OF MONEY FROM THE ENTWISTLES. >> I HAD TWO MONTHS RENT AND A SECURITY DEPOSIT, YES. >> OF COURSE, THE SECURITY DEPOSIT WASN'T RETURNED? >> IT WAS NOT, NO. >> SO AT SOME POINT THEN REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT IS, YOU WANT TO GET THE ENTWISTLE PROPERTY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE. >> YES. >> AND SO -- AND YOU DID DO THAT? >> I DID NOT REMOVE -- I DID NOT REMOVE ANYTHING FROM THAT HOUSE. >> SOMEBODY REMOVED THE PROPERTY. >> YES. >> SOMEBODY REMOVED THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU HAD ASKED THEM TO TAKE THE PROPERTY OUT? >> THE PROPERTY WAS TAKEN OUT BASED ON THE COURT ORDER THAT WAS PROVIDED. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BIG DEAL. I'M JUST ASKING YOU WANTED TO GET THE ENTWISTLE -- >> EXCUSE ME. JUST ASK A QUESTION. THE WITNESS WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> AT THE POINT WHERE YOU WERE -- YOU FELT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE ENTWISTLE PROPERTY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU DID. >> I DIDN'T REMOVE ANYTHING FROM THE HOUSE, MA'AM. >> SOMEBODY AS YOUR AGENT REMOVED THE PROPERTY. >> THERE WERE A FEW ITEMS THAT WERE REMOVED TO REMAIN SECURE. I AM NOT FULLY AWARE OF ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENED, BUT I HAD A LAWYER THAT TOOK A FEW ITEMS. >> AND THERE WERE BOXES OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS THAT HAD NOT BEEN UNPACKED. >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> SUSTAINED. THAT'S BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF MAIL AND A LOT OF PAPERS, PAPERWORK THAT WERE PUT INTO BOXES. >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> IF THE WITNESS KNOWS, SHE MAY ANSWER. >> WE PACKED -- I PACKED SOME THINGS, BUT I DID NOT REMOVE ANYTHING FROM THE HOUSE. >> I'M NOT -- WHAT KINDS OF THINGS DID YOU PACK, MA'AM? >> I PACKED BABY CLOTHES. >> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU PACK PAPER AND MAIL? >> YES. IF THERE WAS PAPER OR MAIL ON THE TABLE OR OUT, I DID PACK THEM AND MARKED THE BOXES WITH WHATEVER WAS PACKED IN THOSE BOXES. >> ALL RIGHT. AND THOSE BOXES WERE THEN TAKEN OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY. >> A FEW BOXES WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE PROPERTY, NOT ALL. >> AND OTHER THAN THE ENTWISTLE BELONGINGS THAT WERE REMOVED FROM YOUR HOUSE, THE REST OF THE HOUSE WAS INTACT, AS YOU HAD SHOWN IT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> THERE WAS CRIME SCENE -- THINGS THAT HAPPENED WITH FINGERPRINT DUST EVERYWHERE. >> BUT FOR THE POLICE ACTIVITY IN THE HOUSE -- >> YES. >> YOU GOT YOUR PROPERTY BACK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND THEN YOU WERE ULTIMATELY ABLE TO SELL IT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> IF I MAY HAVE A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR? >> HARD TO SEE WHERE THE DEFENSE IS GOING IN THIS CROSS-EXAMINATION ABOUT PACKING UP THE PAPERS AND BABY CLOTHES AFTER THIS MURDER. ANITA KAY, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS CROSS-EXAMINATION? >> THE ONE THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS PERHAPS THEY'RE GOING TO CLAIM DOWN THE ROAD THAT SOME PAPERS WERE MISSING AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THOSE PAPERS. >> PRESUMABLY THE DEFENSE IS GOING IT TIE IT UP. LET'S GO BACK IN AND LISTEN LIVE. >> AND ATTORNEY WEINSTEIN, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND, IN FACT, ONCE IT WAS KNOWN THAT MR. ENTWISTLE WAS GOING TO GIVE UP ANY SORT OF CLAIMS TO THE HOUSE IN HOCKENTON, NEIL ENTWISTLE VOLUNTARILY HE LING QUISHED ANY OWNERSHIP CLAIMS? >> YES. >> AND THAT WAS MADE THROUGH ATTORNEY FEE, YOUR ATTORNEY? >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND NEIL ENTWISTLE AND HIS ATTORNEY, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY INVOLVED OR NOT ON NEIL'S SIDE. >> THEN I'LL REPHRASE THAT. IN THAT VOLUNTARY ARRANGEMENT, IT WAS MADE THROUGH ATTORNEY FEE AND NEIL ENTWISTLE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND, IN FACT, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, ATTORNEY FEE STILL HAS A NUMBER OF BOXES THAT WERE REMOVED FROM THAT HOUSE THAT BELONG TO THE ENTWISTLES', ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> YOU DON'T KNOW THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> EXHIBIT 12. CAN YOU SEE THAT? >> I CANNOT. >> SHOULD I -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME DOWN JUST TO LOOK AT IT? >> ALL RIGHT. IF THE WITNESS WOULD STEP CLOSER. >> EXHIBIT 12. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT'S A COPY OF THE $400 CHECK. >> YES. >> THAT WAS SIGNED BY RACHEL ENTWISTLE, CORRECT? EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T -- THAT ISN'T NOTED ON THAT CHECK. >> I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE WITNESS RESUME THE STAND, PLEASE. >> THE TWO CHECKS CAME FROM CITIZENS BANK, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND THE TWO CHECKS WERE SIGNED BY RACHEL ENTWISTLE. >> I DON'T RECALL WHO THEY WERE SIGNED BY. >> AND, OF COURSE, THEY CLEARED? >> YES, THEY DID. >> AND YOU WERE ABLE TO USE THE $8,100 FROM THE CITIZENS BANK ACCOUNT OF THE ENTWISTLES, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> MA'AM, HOW LONG WAS THE HOME AT 6 CUBS PATH VACANT FROM JANUARY OF 2006 UNTIL YOU WERE ABLE TO RETAIN POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY? >> IT WAS IN FEBRUARY WE RETAINED -- IT WAS NO LONGER A CRIME SCENE AND WAS OFFICIALLY TURNED BACK TO US. >> AND DID YOU KNOW WHY THE ENTWISTLE FAMILY WANTED TO RENT VERSUS BUY? DID YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? >> I -- >> AND -- >> NO, I DON'T KNOW. >> AND WAS THERE A REASON WHY YOU ENTERED INTO A THREE-MONTH LEASE? >> YES. >> WHAT WAS THAT REASON? >> THE REAL ESTATE AGENT HAD DONE A -- >> OBJECTION. >> SUSTAINED AS TO THE HEARSAY. >> WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING MA'AM OF THE REASON WHY. >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> MAY I BE SEEN AT SIDE BAR, YOUR HONOR? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE YOU CAN SEE ON REDIRECT, TRYING TO GET SOME QUESTIONS IN ON THE ISSUE OF RENTING VERSUS BUYING FROM THIS WITNESS. WE LEARN THAT THE ENTWISTLES HAD A THREE-MONTH LEASE ON THE HOME THAT THEY LEASED FROM THIS WITNESS BEGINNING IN JANUARY OF 06. THEY ONLY LIVED IN THE HOME FOR TEN DAYS OR SO BEFORE THE HORRIFIC MURDER. >> ANAE TA KAY, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU'RE SEEING FOR THE DEFENSE ON THE ISSUE OF RENTING VERSUS BUYING. IT IS UNUSUAL TO RENT A HOME FOR ONLY THREE MONTHS. >> I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR IT WAS ONLY A THREE-MONTH LEASE. THE WITNESS EXPLAINED PERHAPS THERE WAS AN ISSUE THEY COULDN'T PAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB AND THE RENT WAS HIGH. WHERE WERE THEY GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THE HOUSE. I THINK THIS IS BELTER FOR THE PROSECUTION TO SET UP WHAT THEIR OPENING STATEMENT SAID. >> THIS IS PART OF THE PROSECUTION'S THEORY THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE WAS THE ONE CONTROLLING THE FINANCES. RACHEL DIDN'T KNOW. HE GOT IN WAY OVER HIS HEAD AND PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT LED TO AN ARGUMENT ON THE NIGHT OF THE KILLINGS. WELL, TIME NOW TO TAKE OUR FIRST LOOK AT TODAY'S 13th JUROR QUESTION. DID THE TESTIMONY OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE'S STEPFATHER HELP THE PROSECUTION. LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME AND CLICK ON 13th JUROR TO CAST YOUR VOTE. LATER IN THE SHOW, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW YOU'RE VOTING, SO STAY WITH US. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LIVE A BRAND NEW WITNESS HAS JUST TAKEN THE STAND. HER NAME PAMELA JACKSON. HER ROLE, PART OF THE WELCOMING CITY FOR THE -- WELCOMING COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY. >> TYPICALLY WHEN I WELCOME SOMEBODY I GIVE THEM ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION. >> JUST LISTEN TO THE QUESTION THAT'S ASKED AND ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT'S ASKED. PLEASE REPEAT THE QUESTION. >> YOU SPENT A PERIOD OF TIME SPEAKING WITH THE LEFT AND RACHEL ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT THEIR REASON FOR RENTING? >> YES. >> WHAT DO YOU RECALL? >> YES. THEY -- MR. ENTWISTLE TOLD ME THAT HE WANTED TO TEST THE AREA AND SEE IF THIS WAS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE BASED ON JOBS, COMMUNITY, SCHOOLS, THE TOWN ITSELF, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> DID HE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIS INCOME? >> HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS SELF-EMPLOYED AND IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. >> AND WHAT ABOUT FINANCES OR MONEY? DID HE DISCUSS THAT AT ALL? >> YES, HE DID. >> WHAT DID HE SAY? >> HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD TO RENT BECAUSE NOT HAVING THREE YEARS OF INCOME VERIFICATION IN THE UNITED STATES, HE WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR A MORTGAGE, AND HE HAD PLENTY OF MONEY. >> DID YOU DISCUSS WITH HIM ANY SERVICES CONCERNING THE HOUSE? >> YES. THE ONE SERVICE THAT I DO REMEMBER HE DID ASK ABOUT SECURITY SYSTEMS. >> DID HE -- DID YOU DISCUSS WITH HIM WHAT, IF ANY, MOTOR VEHICLE THAT THE FAMILY HAD? >> YES. HE TOLD ME HE HAD A BMW, AND HE DIDN'T MENTION TOO MUCH ABOUT IT BUT JUST THAT HE HAD A BMW, AND I SUGGESTED THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR DRIVING IN THE SNOW IN THE WINTER IN NEW ENGLAND. >> WHAT ABOUT HIS EMPLOYMENT? DID YOU DISCUSS THAT AT ALL WITH HIM? >> HE DID TELL ME THAT HE WORKED FOR HIMSELF. HE DID MENTION THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, AND THAT HE HAD A JOB INTERVIEW FORTHCOMING THAT WEEK. >> DID HE SAY WHERE? >> I DID ASK. HE SAID IT WAS IN THE 495 NORTH AREA. >> DID HE SAY WHEN? >> HE DID, BUT I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION. >> IN TERMS OF OTHER SERVICES IN THE AREA, DID YOU DISCUSS THOSE? >> YES. >> AND DID THEY ASK ABOUT -- DID HE IN PARTICULAR ASK ABOUT CERTAIN SERVICES? >> YES. >> WHAT DID HE ASK ABOUT? >> HE ASKED ABOUT WOMEN'S GROUPS FOR HIS WIFE. HE ASKED ABOUT HOPKINTON COUNTRY CLUB. CHURCH GROUPS, ACTIVITIES LIKE NEWCOMERS. HE HAD SEEN THE MOM'S CLUB ONLINE. HE WONDERED WHAT THAT WAS LIKE. HE WAS VERY INTERESTED IT SEEMED TO ME IN FINDING ACTIVITIES FOR HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER. >> WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION CONCERNING HOUSEHOLD FURNISHINGS? >> YES. HE HAD -- THEY BOTH ACTUALLY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF FURNITURE SHOPPING AND THE NEXT DAY WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY AND THEY PLANNED ON SHOPPING THAT DAY, LOOKING FOR MORE FURNITURE. >> DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME -- EXCUSE ME, YOUR HONOR. DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO OBSERVE THE DEMEANOR OF THE FAMILY? >> YES. >> AND BASED ON THE 50 MINUTES OR SO THAT YOU SPENT IN THERE -- >> YES. >> -- HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THEIR APPEARANCE, THEIR RELATIONSHIP? >> A LOVING, ADORABLE, ENGAGED, ATTENTIVE RELATIONSHIP. IT WAS JUST A LOVELY FAMILY. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, YOUR HONOR. >> GOOD MORNING, MISS JACKSON. >> HELLO. >> DURING THE HOUR THAT YOU SPENT WITH RACHEL AND NEIL, LILLIAN, THE BABY, WAS ALSO PRESENT. >> SHE WAS. >> AND WHEN YOU KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, AS YOUR JOB IS TO WELCOME, VERY INVITED YOU IN. >> THERE'S A LITTLE PRELUDE TO THAT. I HAD GONE THERE A FEW DAYS BEFORE AND THERE WAS NO ONE HOME. SO I LEFT A NOTE IN THE DOOR AND RACHEL HAD CALLED ME AND LEFT A MESSAGE ON MY CELL PHONE AND I HAD CALLED HER BACK AND I HAD SPOKE TON HER AND WE AGREED THAT 4:00 ON SUNDAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY. WHEN I ARRIVED THERE ON SUNDAY, THE FRONT WALK WASN'T SHOVELED, SO I CALLED THEM AGAIN AND ASKED THEM TO OPEN UP THEIR GARAGE DOOR. >> SO THEY DID DO THAT? . >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT WAS -- THEY WERE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING ALL THEIR LONGINGS IN. >>. I WOULD IMAGINE. >> AND THEY WERE GOING FURNITURE SHOPPING FOR THE FURNITURE IN THE HOUSE ON THE HOLIDAY. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. >> AND YOU COULD SEE WHEN YOU WENT IN THAT THEY -- THERE WAS STILL BOXES AROUND, THE HOUSE WASN'T FULLY SET UP YET. ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I DON'T LOOK AROUND WHEN I GO INTO SOMEONE'S HOME. I DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE COLLATERAL DETAIL BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY OF MY BUSINESS. >> I GOT YOU. >> SO I TAKE IT THAT -- BUT IN ANY EVENT IT WAS CLEAR THEY WERE NEW TO THE AREA. >> YES. >> AND THEY WERE STILL WAITING FOR FURNITURE SO THEY COULD FULLY MOVE IN AND STAY. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. >> NOW, WHEN YOU ALL MET, YOU MET IN THE DINING ROOM? THAT'S WHERE YOU SAT DOWN? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AGAIN, NEIL, RACHEL, AND THE BABY WERE THERE WITH YOU? >> THE ENTIRE TIME. >> THEY SEEMED VERY HAPPY THEY WERE FINALLY IN THEIR OWN PLACE. >> THEY WERE VERY HAPPY. >> THEY TOLD YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEMSELVES. >> YES. >> AND YOU WERE TRYING TO ENGAGE THEM IN CONVERSATION TO MAKE THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THE COMMUNITY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU WERE THE COMMUNITY FOR THEM AT THAT MOMENT. >> I AM. >> AND THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY HAD MET. >> YES. >> AND THEY EVEN SHOWED YOU ONE OF THEIR GRADUATION PICTURES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THAT PICTURE? >> THE PICTURE I RECALL WAS A FULL ON CLOSE-UP HEAD SHOT OF RACHEL LOOKING COMPLETELY DELIGHTED BECAUSE I THINK SHE WAS WALKING BACK FROM JUST RECEIVING HER DIPLOMA, AND SHE WAS VERY HAPPY. >> AND NEIL WAS VERY PROUD TO SHOW -- SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE WITH YOU. >> YES. IT WAS LOVELY. >> AND WAS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT SIPPING CHAMPAGNE? >> I CAN'T RECALL PRECISELY BUT I REMEMBER ONE PICTURE MAY HAVE HAD HER HOLDING A GLASS OF CHAMPAGNE. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU SAID IT'S YOUR MEMORY THAT WHEN NEIL WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE DID FOR WORK, THAT HE SAID INSURANCE. >> HE DID. >> NOW, YOU DID TALK ABOUT INSURANCE THAT DAY. >> YES, WE DID. >> AND THAT WAS IN TERMS OF THE CAR. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND ABOUT THE STEP OR THE GRADES IF YOU WEREN'T AN AMERICAN DRIVER. >> YES. >> AND AGAIN THAT -- TO TALK ABOUT HIS EMPLOYMENT WAS VERY BRIEF I TAKE IT. >> VERY BRIEF. >> AND ARE YOU SURE HE DIDN'T SAY HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE COMPUTER AREA AND THAT'S WHY HE WANTED TO BE IN THE 495 AREA? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> FAIR ENOUGH. IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO YOU THOUGH THAT BOTH RACHEL AND NEIL OBVIOUSLY LOVED EACH OTHER VERY MUCH? >> IT APPEARED THAT WAY, YES. >> AND THAT WHILE YOU WERE THERE, NEIL WAS PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO LILLIAN. >> THAT WAS -- IT ACTUALLY WAS A CONVERSATION STOPPER AT TIMES BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE BABY GURGLED OR COOED OR GIGGLED OR ANYTHING, ELSE ACTUALLY AVERT HIS EYES AND REALLY JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE BABY. AND AT THE TIME I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST ADORABLE. HE JUST DOTED ON THE BABY. >> AND HE WOULD BEAM -- >> HE ABSOLUTELY BEAMED. YES. >> IN FACT, YOU HAD SAID AT ONE POINT YOU NEVER SAW A FATHER SHOW SO MUCH AFFECTION TOWARDS A CHILD BEFORE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I ABSOLUTELY SAID THAT. IT SEEMED TO ME THAT HE HAD BEEN AWAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME IN ENGLAND. THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION, AND HE JUST MISSED THE BABY VERY DESPERATELY. >> AND YOUR INTERPRETATION WAS BASED ON KNOWING HE WAS FROM BRITAIN. >> YEAH. >> AND THAT THEY MOVED TO HOPKINTON. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF HOW LONG HE HAD BEEN IN THE COUNTRY? >> I KNEW THAT SHE WAS FROM CARVER, AND I KNEW SHE WAS A TEACHER AT SOME POINT AND TAUGHT ENGLISH, AND I KNEW HE WAS FROM ENGLAND, BUT I THINK IN MY MIND I ASSUMED THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN TOGETHER RECENTLY. HE HAD JUST COME BACK. >> AND THAT'S -- THAT IMPRESSION IS JUST BASED ON YOU TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER -- >> TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER CONVERSATION, SURE. >> NOW, NEIL WAS ALSO -- NEIL WAS ALSO LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOPKINTON AREA, AS YOU TOLD US. >> YES. >> AND YOU WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THE COUNTRY CLUB THERE? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND ALSO ABOUT THE CHURCH. >> YES. >> AND HE WAS ALSO CAME UP ABOUT GETTING A SECURITY SYSTEM FOR THE HOME. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YOU GAVE HIM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS YOU COULD ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS. >> I COULD. >> TO HELP HIM GET SETTLED. >> I TOLD HIM ON THE SECURITY SYSTEM THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD PUT ONE IN ON A RENTAL BECAUSE I KNEW THEY WERE RENTING BECAUSE THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT EXPENSIVE. >> THEY CAN. BUT IN ANY EVENT YOU, RACHEL, AND NEIL ARE EXCHANGING ALL THIS INFORMATION. >> IT WAS A WONDERFUL EXCHANGE. >> NEIL WAS VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING THINGS OR SUPPORT GROUPS FOR RACHEL AND THINGS FOR HER AND THE BABY TO DO IN THE HOPKINTON AREA. >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES. >> AND YOU TOLD US THAT HE ASKED ABOUT A MOM'S GROUP? >> THE MOMS CLUB. HE HAD SEEN IT ONLINE. >> AND YOU TOLD THEM THERE WAS A ST. JOHN'S WOMAN'S GROUP. >> ST. JOHN'S WOMEN'S GROUP CALLED WINGS. >>> WELCOME BACK. OUR TIMING IS GOOD. A BRAND-NEW WITNESS HAS TAKEN THE STAND. HIS NAME IS MICHAEL THIN. HE WORKS FOR THE MASSACHUSETTS PORT AUTHORITY. LET'S TAKE A LOOK. >> ARE YOU GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PARKING FACILITIES AT LOEKEN AIRPORT? >> YES B I AM. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEM, PLEASE? >> LOGAN AIRPORT CONSISTS OF TWO MAIN GARAGES, THE CENTRAL GARAGE, TERMINAL B. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OUT SIDE LOTS ALSO AT TERMINAL E AND ECONOMY. >> AND YOUR ROLE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PARKING GARAGES IS WHAT, SIR? >> THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SYSTEM. >> WHAT SORT OF MAINTENANCE? >> OF THE DEVICES IN THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS. >> ARE THERE RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH -- >> YES, THERE ARE. >> IS THAT PRIMARILY YOUR ROLE -- WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MANT NANS OF THE PHYSICAL PLANES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RECORDS -- >> ALL OF IT. >> THE TYPES OF RECORDS ANDS RECORDKEEPING SYSTEMS, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM? >> YES B I AM. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEM, PLEASE? >> COULD YOU PLEASE PULL YOUR CHAIR CLOSER TO THE MIKE KRO PHONE? >> THE RECORDS, EACH TRAN ACTION THAT THE PARKING SYSTEM DOES IS SENT TO A MAIN DATA BASE. WE MAKE SURE THAT DATA BASE IS RUNNING AND FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. >> AS PART OF YOUR DUTIES AND SPEEDOMETERS HAVE YOU BECOME FAMILIAR WITH A GENERAL WAY WITH THE PHYSICAL PLANT LOCATED AT LOGAN AIRPORT INCLUDING THE TERMINALS AND PARKING AREAS AND THE LIKE? >> YES. >> ARE ALL THE JURORS ABLE TO SEE? >> SIR, I SEE YOU LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM TO YOUR RIGHT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT DIAGRAM? >> YES, I AM. >> WHAT IS THAT? >> A MAP OF THE FACILITIES AT LOGAN. >> DOES IT FAIRLY AND GENERALLY SHOW THE FACILE TILLS INCLUDING THE TERMINAL, PARKING AREAS, HOW HAY APPEAR PRESENTLY AND PARTICULARLY HOW THEY APPEARED IN JANUARY 2006? >> THE MAIN GARAGES, YES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE TERMINALS? >> YES. >> AND THE ROADWAYS? >> YES. >> IS IT A FAIR AND GENERAL DEPIPGS OF THE LOGAN AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES AS AREAS? >> YES. >> YOUR HONOR CAN BE COULD THIS BE MARKED? >> IT MAY BE MARKED. SIR, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU NEED TO STEP DOWN I'M GOING TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT EXHIBIT 14. CAN YOU POINT OUT THE MAIN PARKING AREAS? >> THESE ARE THE MAIN PARKING AREAS RIGHT HERE. >> FOR THE RECORD -- I'M SORRY. FOR THE RECORD, YOU'VE POINTED TO AN AREA THAT'S MARKED CENTRAL MARKING? >> YEP. >> AND THEN THERE'S A RECTANGLE BELOW THAT. WHAT'S THAT ONE KNOWN AS? >> THIS HERE? >> NO. THE RECTANGLE THAT HAS THE WORDS CENTRAL PARKING INSIDE. >> YEAH. RIGHT HERE? >> AND THEN RIGHT BELOW THAT THERE'S ANOTHER SIMILARLY COLORED -- >> THAT'S THE ROADWAY. >> ONE MORE DOWN. >> THAT ONE? >> WHAT IS THAT? >>S THAT PART OF CENTRAL PARKING. >> WHAT'S IT REFERRED TO. >> WE REFER TO IT AS THE WEST GARAGE. BUT THAT'S HOW WE REFER TO IT INTERNALLY. JUST TO DENOTE AMONGST OURSELVES WHAT IT IS. >> USING THAT MARKER IN FRONT OF YOU, COULD YOU PUT A W IN THERE? AND IN TERMS OF THE TERMINALS, THOSE LARGE LETTERS, A, B, C, AND E, WHAT DO THOSE REPRESENT. >> THESE ARE WHERE THE AIRLINES ARE. >> AND TERMINAL E, IS THAT KNOWN FOR A PARTICULAR SEGMENT OF THE AIRLINE VISITS AT THE AIRPORT? >> YES, IT IS. >> WHAT SEGMENT? >> INTERNATIONAL. >> INTERNATIONAL? >> INTERNATIONAL. >> AND IS THERE A PARTICULAR -- ON THAT DIAGRAM DOES IT SHOW WHATWAYS THAT CONNECT THE VARIOUS TERMINALS. >> YES. THESE ARE THE WALKWAYS. THIS IS THE WALKWAY TO THE TERMINAL RIGHT HERE. >> EXCUSE ME, SIR. COULD YOU PLEASE, WHEN YOU RESPOND TO A QUESTION, FACE THE JURORS AND THE COURT. >> SURE. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS IS THE WALKWAY HERE TO TERMINAL E. >> FOR THE RECORD YOU'RE REFERRING TO A WHO ZONDLE LIGHT OR BLUE LINE THAT CONNECTS TERM E TO TERM NAL A? >> YES. >> ARE THERE OTHER WALKWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OTHER TERMINALS? >> YES, THERE IS. >> COULD YOU POINT THEM OUT PLEASE? >> THIS HERE IS TERMINAL C AND THIS IS THE CONNECTION TO TERMINAL B. >> SO FAIR TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE LIGHT BLUE LINES CONNECT THE PARKING -- THE CENTRAL PARKING AND THE CENTRAL WEST PARKING AREA TO THE VARIOUS TERMINALS? >> YES. >> WHAT ABOUT TO EACH OTHER? DO THOSE WALK WAYS CONNECT THE TERMINALS TO EACH OTHER? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE -- OTHER THAN THE PARKING SPACES AND THE PARKING GARAGE CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE OTHER ITEMS OR AREAS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARKING SYSTEM AT LOGAN AIRPORT? >> YES. THERE'S A PARKING AREA IN THIS GENERAL FACILITY HERE. THERE'S ALSO A LOT RIGHT OUT IN THIS AREA HERE. THAT SERVICES THE TERMINAL. NOT SHOWN ON HERE IS THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS FURTHER DOWN OUT IN THAT AREA. >> WHAT ABOUT EQUIPMENT ITSELF THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING? ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ENTER THE PARKING AREAS, EXIT THE PARKING AREAS, PAY FOR THE PARKING? DESCRIBE THE EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED? >> THERE ARE TICKET ISSUES MACHINES AND BARRIER GATES AT EACH ENTRANCE AND EXIT. >> AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE AT THE CENTRAL PARKING AND CENTRAL WEST PARKING AREA? >> ALL AREAS ARE THE SAME, YES. >> AND WHAT ABOUT FACILITIES TO PAY FOR THE PARKING UPON EXITING? >> IN THE WALKWAYS OF THIS FACILITY, THERE ARE WHAT WE REFER TO AS CASH -- PAYMENT MACHINES AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD PAY FOR YOUR PARKING TICKET. >> ARE THEY SOMEHOW REPRESENTED ON THAT DIAGRAM, SIR? >> YES. THEY'RE SHOWN -- THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOCATED. >> SO, FOR THE RECORD, IF I CAN SEE IT CORRECTLY, YOU'RE POINTING TO A CIRCLE SORT OF EMBEDDED IN THE BLUE WALKWAYS? >> YES. >> AND THAT ONE THAT YOU'RE POINTING AT, DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF THAT ONE? >> IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE ECHO WALKWAY AND THE MACHINES IN THERE ARE NUMBERED, YES. >> AND DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OF THAT WALKWAY SPECIFICALLY? >> THE NUMBERS ARE 666, 668, 669, AND 667. >> AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH PAY ON FOOT MACHINE 666 IS LOCATED? >> I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION, SIR. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHERE PAY ON FOOT MACHINE 666 IS LOCATED? >> YES, I AM. >> AND WHERE IS THAT. >> THAT'S IN THE ELEVATOR LOBBY RIGHT THERE SFWL AND CAN YOU CIRCLE THAT, PLEASE, WHAT YOU JUST POINTED TO? AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT GATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CENTRAL PARKING AND CENTRAL WEST. SIR, CAN YOU POINT TO -- ARE YOU ABLE TO POINT TO WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOCATED. >> GENERALLY THE ENTRANCES ARE LOCATED RIGHT HERE ON THE FIRST LEVEL. >> AND, FOR THE RECORD, YOU PUT A LITTLE SQUARE NEXT TO THAT W? >> AND THE EXITS ARE LOCATED ON THE FIRST LEVEL AND THE EXITS ARE LOCATED ON THE SECOND LEVEL. >> OKAY. SO ENTRANCES ARE WHERE AGAIN, I'M SORRY? >> FIRST LEVEL. >> FIRST LEVEL. EXHIBITS? >> SECOND LEVEL. >> AND THE PAY ON FOOT MACHINES OTHER THAN THE 666 YOU CIRCLED ARE THERE OTHER ONES THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. >> YES, THERE ARE. >> YOU CAN RESUME THE STAND FOR NOW, SIR. CAN YOU GENERALLY DESCRIBE HOW THE PARKING SYSTEM WORKS, HOW ONE WOULD ENTER, PARK, PAY, AND EXIT? AND ALSO DISCUSS, IF I COULD, THE TYPES OF RECORDS AND DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROCESS. >> IF YOU WERE TO ENTER THE GARAGE, YOU WOULD NORMALLY PULL A TICKET THAT WOULD HAVE A UNIQUE IDENTIFYING NUMBER ON IT. AS YOU ENTER THE FACILITY, A CAMERA WOULD PHOTOGRAPH THE CAR AND IDENTIFY THE PLATE NUMBER AND TIE THE PLATE NUMBER TO THAT TICKET. AND THEN AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD DO YOUR BUSINESS AND YOU WOULD COME TO ONE OF THE PAY ON FOOT MACHINES. YOU WOULD INSERT THE TICKET. IT WOULD CALCULATE THE FEE. YOU WOULD THEN PROCEED TO THE EXIT AREA. YOU WOULD INSERT THAT TICKET WHERE YOUR PLATE IS SCANNED AND TIED TO THAT TICKET. AND MAKE SURE THAT THE FEES AND THE DURATION OF TIME MATCH UP. AND THEN ALLOW YOU TO EXIT AFTER YOU PAY. >> SOME SORT OF RECEIPT THAT YOU GET? >> YES. YOU WOULD RECEIVE RECEIPTS AT -- WHEN THE TRAN SAX IS COMPLETE. >> AND FROM WHAT MACHINE DO YOU GET THE RECEIPT. >> FROM THE PAY ON FOOT MACHINE. >> NOW, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE LICENSE PLATE GETTING PHOTOGRAPHED. IS THERE A PARTICULAR DOCUMENT OR RECORD IN THE SYSTEM THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH RECORDING THAT INFORMATION, THE PLATE ITSELF WHEN THE PLATE ENTERS, EXITS, ET CETERA? >> YES. WE REFER TO THAT AS THE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEM. AND IT HAS ITS OWN DATA BASE WHICH RECORDS THE TRANSACTION. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE TRANSACTION ITSELF? IS THERE A DOCUMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? >> YES, THERE IS. THEY ARE PART OF THAT TRANSACTIONAL RECORD. >> IS THERE A NAME FOR THAT? >> WE REFER TO IT AS THE TRANSACTION REPORT. >> AND ARE THERE DIFFERENT METHODS THAT ONE COULD USE TO PAY IN THE SYSTEM? >> YES, THERE ARE. >> HOW CAN YOU PAY. >> YOU CAN PAY BY CREDIT CARD. YOU CAN PAY BY CASH. >> AND ARE THERE CERTAIN RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT METHODS OF PAYMENT? >> YES, THERE IS. >> WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? >> ONE IS THE TRANSACTION REPORT. THE OTHER ONE IS THE DETAILED CREDIT CARD REPORT. >> IS THERE A SYSTEM IN PLACE, SIR, WHEREBY ON A DAILY OR REGULAR BASIS AN INVENTORY IS TAKEN OF THE CARS IN THE PARKING SYSTEM AT LOGAN AIRPORT? >> YES, THERE IS. THERE IS A NIGHTLY PROCESS WHICH GARAGE PERSONNEL DO. THEY GO AROUND AND PHYSICALLY EVERY EVERY SINGLE PLATE IN THE GARAGE INTO A HAND HELD DEVICE. AND THAT INFORMATION IS THEN UP LOADED TO THE COMPUTER. >> HOW MANY TIMES A DAY IS THAT DONE? >> THAT IS DONE EVERY DAY. >> WHAT PARKING FACILITY IS THAT DONE IN? >> ALL FACILITIES. >> ABOUT HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE? IF YOU KNOW? >> ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE HOURS. >> AND ARE THERE RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PORTION OF THE SYSTEM? >> THERE ARE REPORTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >> AND ALSO, SIR, ARE YOU ASSOCIATED WITH A DOCUMENT OR A RECORD REFERRED TO AS THE SINGLE EVENT REPORT? >> YES B I AM. >> WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT RECORDS ALL EVENTS BY DEVICE. IT'S KIND OF A LENGTHY LIST OF ITEMS. >> SORT OF A HISTORY OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. >> IT'S A DETAILED REPORT OF THE DEVICE. >> NOW, THESE DOCUMENTS AND RECORDS THAT YOU'VE REFERRED TO, SIR, THEY'RE KEPT BY MASS PORT? >> YES, THEY ARE. >> ARE THEY KEPT IN GOOD FAITH IN THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINED ACCURATELY? >> YES. >> ARE THEY KEPT IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF MASS PORT'S BUSINESS? >> YES, THEY ARE. >> AND IS IT THE REGULAR COURSE AND ROUTINE OF MASS PORT TO CREATE THESE RECORDS, IN PARTICULAR TO CREATE THESE RECORDS AT OR ABOUT THE TIME OF THE TRANSACTION? >> YES. >> AND IS ONE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AT MASS PORT THE TO BE A CUSTODIAN OR RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING OR MAINTAINING THE RECORDS AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE RECORDS IN THE SYSTEM? >> YES. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, SIR, TO JANUARY OF 2006 AND ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT AT SOME POINT IN TIME MASS PORT WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO THEIR RECORD SYSTEM AND SEEK RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTICULAR DATE, THAT BEING JANUARY 20th, 21st, 22nd OF 2006. >> YES. >> AND WAS THERE A PARTICULAR PLATE THAT WAS SOERTED WITH THAT, WAS CERTAIN INFORMATION GIVEN TO YOU AND MASS PORT IN AN EFFORT TO LOCATE THAT RECORDS? >> YES. >> AND WERE YOU ABLE TO LOCATE ANY RECORDS FOR THOSE DATES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PLATE? >> YES. >>> THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE WHITE BMW THAT WAS OWNED BY THE ENTWISTLE COUPLE. IT WAS FOUND AT LOGAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AFTER THE MURDERS. AND ON THE STAND NOW LIVE IS MICHAEL SHEEHAN. HE'S FROM THE MASSACHUSETTS PORT AUTHORITY. HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE FINDING OF THAT VEHICLE IN THE AIRPORT PARKING LOT. LET'S LISTEN. >> JANUARY 20th, '06. >> IS THERE A TIME ON THAT? >> AT 2249 AND TEN SECONDS. >> COULD I HAVE THIS MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION, YOUR HONOR, AT THIS TIME? >> IT MAY BE MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION. >> WE'RE MARKING IT LETTER E FOR IDENTIFICATION. >> THANK YOU. >> SIR, THAT OTHER SMALL TICKET, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND IF YOU RECOGNIZE IT WHAT IT IS. >> THAT IS A RECEIPT FROM A CASH PAY ON FOOT MACHINE. >> IS THERE A RECEIPT ON THERE? >> YES. >> AND A TIME? >> YES. >> AND A DATE? >> YES. >> AND AMOUNT? >> YES. >> THE PAY TIME AT JANUARY 20th, 06, AT 2134 AND THE AMOUNT WAS 8 >> MARK THIS ONE AS WELL FOR IDENTIFICATION, YOUR HONOR. >> IT MAY BE MARKED. >> IT'S MARKED LETTER F FOR IDENTIFICATION. >> AND THE BALANCE OF THAT GROUP OF RECORDS, SIR, ARE THOSE FAIR AND ACCURATE COPIES OF THE RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLATE NUMBER IN QUESTION FOR THE DATES BETWEEN JANUARY 20th, 2006, AND JANUARY 21st, 2006? >> YES. >> MAY WE MARK THIS AS AN EXHIBIT, YOUR HONOR? I THINK WE CAN DO IT AS ONE EXHIBIT. >> OKAY. >> EXHIBIT 15 MARKED, YOUR HONOR. >> SIR, CAN YOU LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM TO THE RIGHT OF YOU ON THE'SLE? DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? >> YES. >> WHAT IS THAT? >>S THAT A PICTURE OF THE ENTRY AND EXIT RECORD. >> LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, I BELIEVE? >> YES. >> IS THE TERM THAT YOU USED? >> YEP. >> IS THAT A FAIR AND COMPLETE COPY OF THE SMALLER VERSION THAT WAS NOW MARKED AS AN EXHIBIT? >> YES, IT IS. >> MAY I MARK THAT FOR IDENTIFICATION, YOUR HONOR? >> YES. >> MARKED FOR EXHIBIT -- IDENTIFICATION AS EXHIBIT G. >> NOW, SIR, IF YOU COULD STEP DOWN, PLEASE, AND POINT OUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COURT AND THE JURY AND ALL PRESENT THE DIFFERENT YA IRS AND PIECES OF INFORMATION ON THAT. LET'S START WITH THE LICENSE PLATE AND THE TWO PICTURES HERE. THE TOP PORTION OF THAT, WHAT INFORMATION DOES THAT REPRESENT. >> THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE VEHICLE AS IT'S TAKEN IN. AND IT STAMPED THAT PICTURE TO IDENTIFY THE PLATE NUMBER. ONCE IT IDENTIFIED THE PLATE NUMBER IT WILL DO WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS OPTICAL CHARACTER RECOGNITION. IT WILL RECORD THAT INTO A DATA FIELD. >> MAKE SURE YOU KEEP YOUR VOICE UP SO THE COURT REPORTER CAN GET IT AND EVERYBODY CAN HEAR YOU. >> THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. >>> SO AS THE ATTORNEYS GO TO SIDE BAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE. THE JURY'S LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF THE ENTWISTLE VEHICLE, COMPLETE WITH THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW THAT THE ENTWISTLE VEHICLE ENTERED THE LOGAN AIRPORT GARAGE AT APPROXIMATELY 8:14 P.M. THAT'S ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 20th. PROSECUTORS SAY RACHEL AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE WERE P MURDERED EARLIER THAT MORNING. IT LEAVES AT 9:44 P.M., ABOUT AN HOUR LATER, REENTERS AT 10:49 P.M., ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER THAT. LET ME BRING IN DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS. IF THE PROSECUTION IS RIGHT AND HE KILLED HIS WIFE AND BABY THAT MORNING, WHY WOULD HE DRIVE INTO THE PARKING LOT, OUT AN HOUR LATER AND BACK INTO THE AIRPORT PARKING LOT AT 10:49 P.M.? >> I WOULD ASSUME THAT HE FORGOT TO DO SOMETHING. AND THAT HE RAN QUICKLY TO DO IT. WE CAN ASSUME THAT IT WAS TO RETURN THE .22 CALIBER GUN TO HIS INLAWS HOUSE. >> THAT'S ONE PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION. WE ALSO KNOW HE WENT TO SEMPL CASH MACHINES AND TRIED TO USE DIFFERENT CREDIT CARDS AND ATMs IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET CASH. HE EVENTUALLY GOT ON A PLANE AND WENT TO HIS NATIVE ENGLAND WHERE HE WAS LATER APPREHENDED. LET'S GO BACK TO THE COURTROOM AND LISTEN IN. >> THAT'S A GATE THAT LIFTS UP? >> THAT'S A GATE. WHAT OTHER INFORMATION IS ON THERE? >> YOU CAN SEE THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, THE TYPE OF PLATE IS JUST A NORMAL OR UNSPECIFIED PLATE. >> IS THERE A DATE ON THERE? >> THERE'S AN ENTRY -- THE DATE IS HERE. IT'S JANUARY 20th, 2006 AT 2014: 24. >> AND 2014 IN NORMAL TIME WOULD BE WHAT? >> 8:14. >> MORNING OR EVENING? >> EVENING. >> THE SECOND -- THE BOTTOM PORTION OF G FOR IDENTIFICATION -- I'M SORRY. FINISH THE OTHER ENTRIES ON THAT PORTION OF THE DOCUMENT. >> THESE TWO NUMBERS HERE ARE UNIQUE IDENTIFYING TRANSACTIONAL NUMBERS. >> WHAT ARE THEY USED FOR? >> THEY TIE THE IMAGE AND THE TICKET TOGETHER. >> AND FAIR TO SAY THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALSO HELPFUL IN TIEING THE OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT YOU REFERRED TO, THE CREDIT REPORT, ACTIVITY INVENTORY AND THE LIKE? >> YES. >> THE BOTTOM PORTION? >> THIS IS THE EXIT IMAGE. THE CAMERA TAKES THE PICTURE, A SCANS THE PLATE, GIVES US IDENTIFIED. THIS IS THE EXIT FACILITY OF CENTRAL GARAGE. THE DEVICE IS LEVEL 2 OF THE GARAGE. IT'S LANE 275. IT'S TIME STAMPED. THE EXIT TIME STAMP ON IT --. >>> DID THE TESTIMONY OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE'S STEPFATHER HELP THE PROSECUTION? THAT'S TODAY'S 13th JUROR QUESTION. LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME. 90% OF YOU ARE VOTING YES WHILE 10% OF YOU SAY NO. WE DO HAVE LIVE TESTIMONY IN THAT MASSACHUSETTS COURTROOM. IT ALL CENTERS ON THE ENTWISTLE CAR, THE BMW FOUND AT LOGAN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WHEN NEIL ENTWISTLE DROVE IT THERE ACCORDING TO HIS OWN STATEMENT AND FLEW TO LONDON TO BE WITH HIS PARENTS. LET'S LISTEN. >> WHAT DOES THAT INFORMATION TELL THE SYSTEM? >> THAT TELLS US THAT THE CAR IS PHYSICALLY IN THE FACILITY AT THAT TIME. >> THE NEXT SET OF DOCUMENTS, SIR. WHAT IS THAT? >> AGAIN, THIS IS THE SINGLE EVENTS REPORT. >> AND TELL US WHETHER THERE'S ANY INFORMATION IN THAT REPORT CONCERNING AN EVENT RELATED TO A GATE IN THE PARKING GARAGE. >> THERE IS MANY RECORDS, INDICATIONS THAT AN EVENT OCCURRED WITH A GATE. >> I'VE PLACED IN FRONT OF YOU THE LITTLE TICKET. IS THERE A GATE NUMBER ON THAT? >> THE ENTRY IS 176. >> AND IN THOSE RECORDS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, CAN YOU FIND OUT WHETHER THERE WAS AN EVENT RELATED TO THAT GATE AT THE TIME ALSO APPEARING ON THAT TICKET? >> YES. >> AND WHAT INFORMATION IS IN THERE? >> THE PERTINENT INFORMATION IS THAT THE LPR IS ONLINE OR OFFLINE. >> AND AT THE TIME AND GATE REFERENCED AND DATE ON THAT TICKET E FOR IDENTIFICATION IN FRONT OF YOU, SIR, DOES IT MENTION THAT LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION SYSTEM FOR THAT PARTICULAR GATE WAS ON OR OFF? >> IT INDICATED THAT IT WAS OFFLINE. >> AND DOES IT INDICATE A REASON? >> NO, IT DOES NOT. >> DO THOSE RECORDS ALSO LATER ON IN THE RECORDS INDICATE THE POINT AT WHICH THAT CAMERA CAME ONLINE? >> YES, IT DOES. >> AND WAS THAT THE NEXT DAY OR WHAT TIME IS REFLECTED? >> IT WAS THE NEXT DAY. >> SO WHAT DOES THAT SET OF DOCUMENTS TELL THE SYSTEM? >> IT'S USED BY US TO IDENTIFY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE RECOGNITION SYSTEM. >> BY OFFLINE, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? >> IT IS NOT RECORDING PICTURES AS -- AS TICKETS COME -- VEHICLES COME INTO THE GARAGE. >> WOULD A TICKET STILL BE ISSUED. >> YES. >> AND SOMEBODY STILL BE ABLE TO ENTER THE GARAGE? >> YES. >> BUT THERE'S JUST NO RECORDING OF THE PLATE? >> CORRECT. >>> ALL RIGHT. AS THEY TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT IN THAT COURTROOM, LET ME GO TO DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CRIME THAT THE PROSECUTION IS LAYING OUT HERE, NEIL ENTWISTLE HAD TO GO TO THE HOME OF HIS IN-LAWS, THE MATTERAZZOS, GET THE GUN, RETURN TO HIS HOME THERE IN HOP KINTON, SHOOT AND KILL HIS 27-YEAR-OLD WIFE AND 9-MONTH-OLD BABY. IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF PREMEDITATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? >> YEAH, IT DOES. THERE ARE SOME OTHER INDICATORS OF PREMEDITATION WE'LL HEAR LATER ON IN THE TRIAL, HIM SEARCHING THE INTERNET FOR WAYS TO KILL HIS FAMILY. >> EVERYBODY'S SAYS THEY'RE A LOVING, HAPPY FAMILY. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S INCOMPATIBLE. PEOPLE ARE COMPLICATED AND THEY CAN COMPARTMENTALIZE. HAVING A FAMILY THAT THEY LOVE TO THE EXTENT THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE MAY BE ABLE TO FORM NORMAL ATTACHMENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE HE LOVED HIS WIFE AND BABY, LILLIAN. AND AT THE SAME TIME WAS COLD ENOUGH TO DESTROY THEM WHEN HIS WORLD MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMING APART. >> WELL, CROSS-EXAMINATION OF THIS WITNESS HAS JUST BEGUN. LET'S LISTEN IN LIVE. >> PEOPLE CAN TAKE A CAB TO THE AIRPORT? >> SURE. >> THEY COULD TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THE NBTA, TO THE AIRPORT? >> YES. >> AND THE AIRPORT HAS MORE PARKING LOTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE JUST DESCRIBED TO THE JURY, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >> THERE ARE OFF SITE PARKING LOTS WHERE PEOPLE PARK THEIR CARS AND THEN TAKE A SHUTTLE TO THEIR TERMINAL? >> CORRECT. >> AND THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE AROUND LOGAN AIRPORT? >> I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. BUT THEY'RE THERE, YES. >> THERE ARE A FEW? >> YEAH. >> AND PEOPLE -- IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR SOMEONE TO GO -- TO SAVE MONEY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND GO PARK AT A SATELLITE LOT AND TAKE A SHUTTLE INTO THE TERMINAL, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS -- THE PLATE TO THAT CAR WAS OBVIOUSLY PARKED IN CENTRAL PARKING. >> CORRECT. >> AND IT'S CLEAR, IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE LICENSE PLATE, THAT THAT LICENSE PLATE CAN BE READ? >> CORRECT. >> IT IS NOT DISGIS GUISED IN ANY WAY, IS IT? >> NO, IT IS NOT. >> NONE OF THE NUMBERS ARE COVERED UP IN ANY WAY? >> NOPE. >> IN FACT, THE PLATE IS CLEARLY ON IN A LEGAL FASHION, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I WOULD SAY SO, YES. >> NOW, IN TERMS OF THE PAY ON FOOT -- WELL, IN TERMS OF PAYING FOR YOUR PARKING, YOU ALSO SAID THERE'S A WAY TO PAY FOR IT IF YOU USE CASH, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> AND IF SOMEBODY USED CASH, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY -- I'LL ASK THIS. IF YOU USE CASH, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THAT TICKET, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> I WOULD HAVE -- YES. I WOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. >> WELL, HOW DO YOU PAY -- HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THE PARKING IN CENTRAL PARKING WHEN YOU PAY CASH? >> YOU INSERT THE TICKET AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO PAY BY CREDIT CARD OR INSERT CASH INTO THE MACHINE. >> SO YOU ACTUALLY PUT THE MONEY IN? >> YES. >> AS FOR THIS TICKET, FOR THIS TICKET, A CREDIT CARD WAS USED? >> CORRECT. >> AND A CREDIT CARD WAS USED THAT HAD IDENTIFYING INFORMATION ON IT? >> CORRECT. >> AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A PERFECTLY LEGAL CREDIT CARD? >> THE AUTHORIZATION COMPANY SAID YES. >> AND AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, YOU NOW KNOW THAT THAT PLATE IS MR. ENTWISTLE'S AND MRS. ENTWISTLE'S CAR. IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND YOU NOW KNOW THAT THE CREDIT CARD THAT WAS USED WAS IN THE ENTWISTLE NAME? >> I NOW KNOW THAT, YES. >> YES. NOW, MAY I APPROACH? I'LL ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THAT. DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT, SIR? >> THAT IS PAY ON FOOT -- >> AND THAT'S 666? >> YES. >> AND IS THAT A FAIR AND ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT PAY ON FOOT 666 LOOKS LIKE? >> YES. >> I WOULD OFFER THAT AS AN EXHIBIT, YOUR HONOR. >> IT MAY BE MARKED. >> EXHIBIT 16 MARKED, YOUR HONOR. >> CAN YOU SEE THAT, SIR? >> YES. >> AND THE TIME OF THAT -- THAT IS PART OF THE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ARE IN THE SOME OF THE AREAS IN LOGAN? >> YES. >> AND OBVIOUSLY THE DATE IS JANUARY 20th, 2006? >> YES. >> AND THE TIME ON THAT IS 2236? >> CORRECT. >> AND WOULD YOU TRANSLATE THAT FOR THOSE OF US WHO MAY NOT KNOW MILITARY TIME? >> IT'S 10:36 AT NIGHT. >> AND THERE'S A PERSON DEPICTED IN THAT SURVEILLANCE TAPE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND YOU NOW KNOW THAT TO BE NEIL ENTWISTLE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS LEFT HAND, SIR, YOU SEE A WEDDING RING ON HIS HAND. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES. WELL, A RING. >> A RING. ONE ON THE FINGER THAT IS USUALLY WORN -- WHERE YOU USUALLY WEAR YOUR WEDDING RING? >> YES. >> AND MR. ENTWISTLE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, HE IS NOT -- DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE DISGUISED IN ANY WAY, DOES HE? >> NO. NOT IN MY OPINION. >> DOESN'T HAVE A HAT ON OR A HOOD ON? >> NO, HE DOES NOT. >> NOTHING TO COVER THE FEATURES OF HIS FACE? >> NO, HE DOES NOT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. >> SIR, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM, CAMERA SYSTEM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PREVIOUS EXHIBIT THAT YOU SAW IS CONNECTED OR NOT CONNECTED TO THE RECORDKEEPING SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR? >> IT IS NOT CONNECTED TO MY RECORDKEEPING SYSTEM. >> DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE TIMES ARE SINK NIZED OR NOT SYNCHRONIZED BETWEEN THE TWO? >> MY TIME IS SYNCHRONIZED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM. >>> ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THE DEFENSE DRIVING HOME THE POINT THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE IS BEHAVING, AS THEY THINK, LIKE AN INNOCENT MAN. NOT DISGUISING HIMSELF, USING HIS OWN CREDIT CARD WITH HIS NAME ON IT, IDENTIFYING HIM AT THE AIRPORT, SIMPLY GOING TO THE AIRPORT PERHAPS IN A STATE OF PANIC BUT NOT AS A MURDER. IS IT EVER A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP GUNS IN THE HOUSE? WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT AS WE REVEAL OUR ANSWER TO OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY. STAY WITH US. >>> LIVE TRIAL COVERAGE COMING UP AHEAD ON OPEN COURT. >>> WE ASKED YOU TODAY IN OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY, IS IT EVER A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP GUNS IN THE HOUSE? OUR ANSWER COMES FROM MARY IN TEXAS. SHE WRITES, OF COURSE IT CAN BE A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP A GUN IN THE HOUSE. GUN OWNERSHIP IS ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY AND AWARENESS. KEEPING OUR PERSONAL WEAPONS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MENTALLY ILL, CRIMINAL MINDED AND IRRESPONSIBLE SHOULD BE EVERY GUN OWNER'S OBJECTIVE. THANKS FOR THAT ANSWER, MARY, AND THANKS FOR WATCHING. SADLY, IN THIS CASE, IT WAS THE GUN OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE'S STEPFATHER JOSEPH MATTERAZZO THAT, ACCORDING TO TO PROSECUTORS, WAS USED TO KILL HER AND HER 9 YONLD BABY, LILLIAN. A NEW WITNESS IS TAKING THE STAND. HER NAME IS MARY ANN CHANDLER. SHE OVERSEES THE PARKING GARAGE AT THE LOGAN AIRPORT. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN. >> ARE THOSE RECORDS AND TAPES MADE AS A PART OF THE BISZ OF MASS PORT? >> YES. >> ARE THEY MADE IN GOOD FAITH IN THAT THEY'RE MADE ACCURATELY OR AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEM ACCURATELY? >> YES. >> IS IT THE REGULAR COURSE OF THE BUSINESS OF MASS PORT TO MAKE THOSE RECORDS AND TAPES AT OR ABOUT THE TIME OF THE TRANCE ACTION OR EVENT RECORDED IN THE DOCUMENTS? >> YES. >> AND, FINALLY, IS ONE OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO BE THE CUSTODIAN OR KEEPER OR THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THOSE TAPES, RETRIEVING THOSE TAPES AND THE LIKE? >> YES. >>> AKNEE TA KAY, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, IS THE DEFENSE SCORING POINTS WITH THE FACT NEIL ENTWISTLE USED A CREDIT CARD WITH HIS NAME, HE WAS NOT DISGUISED, HE WENT TO THE AIRPORT APPEARING FAIRLY NORMAL, AT LEAST ON THE VIDEO SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM? >> LISA, I DON'T THINK SO. THE PROSECUTOR IN ME COMES OUT AND SAYS HE APPEARED SO CALM, THAT DISTURBING ME EVEN MORE. BECAUSE THAT'S A COLD, CALCULATED KILLER. THAT BOTHERS ME EVEN MORE THAT HE'S SO CALM AND CLEGTED. IT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT HIS CAR WAS AT THE AIRPORT. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHER WAYS TO FIND OUT THAT HE GOT A ONE WAY TICKET, NO LUGGAGE, AND FLED TO ENGLAND. >> WHAT ABOUT THE FACT HE GOES TO THE AIRPORT, HE DOESN'T HAVE A RESERVATION, HE DOESN'T HAVE A TICKET, HE JUST GOES TO THE AIRPORT AT ABOUT 9:00 OR 10:00 P.M., 10:00 P.M. THE SECOND TIME. HE HAD 5 A.M. BUYS A ONE WAY TICKET ON BRITISH AIRWAYS SCHEDULED TO LEAVE AT 2:38 P.M. THAT DAY BUT INSTEAD GETS ON AN EARLIER LIGHT, 8:15 P.M. THIS IS LIKE A GUY WHO WANTS TO GO TO THE AIRPORT, GET ON THE FIRST POSSIBLE FLIGHT HE CAN ONE WAY TO ENGLAND. THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR HIM. >> NOT AT ALL. NO MATTER HOW FREAKED OUT HE WAS OR THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO CLAIM HE WAS FREAKED OUT, I DON'T BUY THAT YOU'RE TAKING A ONE WAY TICKET AND NOT MAKING PHONE CALLS. AND HE APPEARS TO CALM. THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. THE THING ABOUT THE WEDDING RING, ONCE AGAIN, THAT DISTURBS ME EVEN MORE HE HAD THE WEDDING RING ON. IT'S KIND OF LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT DOESN'T FAZE HIM WHAT HE'S JUST WITNESSED IF HE TRULY DIDN'T MITT THE CRIME. HE'S NOT FAZED BY IT. >> CHECKS NO LUGGAGE, BUYS A ONE WAY TICKET. I BET THEY CHECKED HIM AT SECURITY. PATRICIA SAUNDERS, THE PROSECUTION IS GOING TO ARGUE THIS IS EVIDENCE OF GUILT. HE DOES NOT CALL THE POLICE AFTER HE SAYS HE FINDS HIS WIFE AND BABY DAUGHTER MURDERED, MAKES NO EFFORTS TO FIND THEIR KILLERS, HIS MAIN EFFORT IS TO GET OUT OF DODGE. >> IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. I MUST AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID, HE LOOKS COOL, CALM APD COLLECTED. THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO PANICKED AS THE DEFENSE WILL PROBABLY CLAIM. THIS LOOKS LIKE A COLD-BLOODED DETACHED AND PLANNED MURDER. >> LET'S GIVE THE DEFENSE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT FOR JUST A MOMENT, DR. SAUND RS. IT IS CERTAINLY POSSIBLY AND WE HAVE HEARD A NUMBER OF WITNESSES, DISINTERESTED WITNESSES TO SAY THIS SEEMED TO BE A VERY LOVING COUPLE. NOT ONLY DID HE SEEM TO REALLY LOVE HIS WIFE BUT HE SEEMED TO LOVE HIS BABY, WAS CONNECTED WITH THE BABY. IF HE DID COME HOME AND FIND THEM MURDERED, ISN'T IT POSSIBLE THAT A YOUNG MAN LIKE THIS WITH NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH ANYTHING VIOLENT COULD PANIC AND BEHAVE AS BADLY AS HE DID? >> IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT THERE WAS A BIG-TIME GAP BETWEEN THE TIME OF THE ALLEGED MURDERS AND WHEN HE GOT TO THE AIRPORT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING THEN UNLESS HE WAS RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE SCREAMING AND CRYING. BUT THERE'S NO COMMENT ABOUT THAT. BIG-TIME GAP. AND HIS BEHAVIOR DOES NOT INDICATE SOMEBODY WHO'S DISTRAUGHT AND JUST EXPERIENCED A TRAUMATIC LOSS. SO IT DOESN'T QUITE HANG TOGETHER. IF HE IMMEDIATELY RAN TO THE AIRPORT WITHOUT THAT BIG-TIME GAP, THEN, I'D SAY, YEAH, WELL, MAYBE. AND HIS PARENTS SAID HE CALLED RIGHT AWAY, HE COULDN'T TALK, HE WAS HYPERVENTILATING, HYSTERICAL. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HEARING. >> AND THE LACK OF EMPATHY FOR RACHEL'S PARNLTS. HE DOESN'T CALL POLICE, CALL THEM. MAYBE ASK THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE HE'S SO DISTRAUGHT. THEY'RE LEFT ON THEIR OWN TO CALL POLICE. FRIENDS CALL POLICE. THE KMUPT STARTS TO WONDER WHERE SHE IS BUT HE MAKES NO EFFORTS TO HELP OUT HIS FAMILY. >> WE SEE THAT KIND OF TOTALLY SELF-INVOLVED NARCISSISTIC BEHAVIOR IN PSYCHOPATHIC, COLD-BLOODED KILLINGS. >> LET'S GO BACK AND LISTEN TO MORE TESTIMONY LIVE IN THE COURTROOM. OKAY. THEY'RE SETTING SOMETHING UP IN THAT COURTROOM. THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T HEAR TESTIMONY. ANITA KAY, BACK TO YOU. PUT ON YOUR CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAT. WHAT'S THE BEST KARGT NEIL ENS WISLE HAS GOING FOR HIM. >> THE BEST ARGUMENT, WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN OTHER CASES AND SOME THAT truTV HAD COVERED. A LOT OF TIMES THE JURY CONVICTS BASED ON A REACTION. BASED ON THE DEFENDANT'S REACTION AFTER A MURDER. SO AS THE DEFENSE I WOULD ARGUE, YOU CAN'T PROSECUTE HIM BASED ON THE REACTION AFTER THE MURDER. EVEN IF THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD DO. >> WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. BIG THANKS TO OUR CORRESPONDENT, BETH KARAS, REPORTING LIVE FROM MASSACHUSETTS AND OUR GUESTS ANITA KAY AND DR. PATRICIA SAUNDERS. TIME TO CHECK IN WITH RIKKI KLIEMAN WHO'S IN FOR JAMI FLOYD. >> WHAT'S COMING UP ON BEST DEFENSE HAS TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH NEIL ENTWISTLE AT THAT AIRPORT. THAT IS HE PARKS THE CAR, HE LEAVES THE AIRPORT, HE COMES BACK INTO THE AIRPORT. HE GOES TO TWO ATM MACHINES. IS THIS THE ACT OF A KILLER OR SOMEONE WHO SIMPLY SAW HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER KILLED. >> THANKS, RICKY. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. THAT WRAPS UP MY TIME WITH YOU ON OPEN COURT. I AM LISA BLOOM AND I'LL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW MORNING 9:00 A.M. EASTERN BRIGHT AND EARLY WITH MORE TRIAL COVERAGE. THANKS FOR WATCHING AND I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW. |