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>>> NEIL CALLED YOU FROM ENGLAND 2006. HE WAS CRYING. AND -- >> HE WAS NOT CRYING, BUT HE WAS WHIMPERING. HE ASKED ME IF -- IF RACHEL AND LILLY COULD BE BURIED TOGETHER. >> DID HE SAY ANYTHING FURTHER? >> YES. HE SAYS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I LEFT THEM. I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I FOUND THEM. >> PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF VERBIAGE. DEPENDS ON HOW YOU VIEW THIS WHOLE CRIME. WAS IT HIS FAULT? DID HE DO IT? OR DID HE DISCOVER IT? AND RUN? TWO VERY DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT NEIL ENTWISLE. AND THE PROSECUTION HAS ONLY JUST BEGUN. TODAY, "BANFIELD & FORD" TAKE YOU "COURTSIDE." >>> HI, EVERYBODY, WELCOME TO BANFIELD & FORD. WE'RE IN SESSION. I'M ASHLEIGH BANFIELD. >> AND I'M JACK FORD. SO, THIS TRIAL CONTINUES TO ROLL ALONG HERE. AS IT DOES, AS YOU LISTEN TO THE PROSECUTION'S CASE. YOU LISTEN TO THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND THE PROSECUTOR'S WITNESSES, IT BECOMES, I THINK, DEEPER AND DEEPER A MURDER MYSTERY. EVERYBODY CAME INTO THIS SAYING IT'S THE HUSBAND, HE MUST HAVE KILLED THE WIFE AND DAUGHTER. BUT YOU'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE SMOKING GUN. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE ONE BIG CRASHING CRESCENDO OF EVIDENCE. A CONFESSION, DNA, AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IS LITTLE TWISTS AND TURNS. I SAID TO SOMEBODY EARLIER TODAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR FRIEND HARVEY COHEN WHO IS ONE OF THE GREAT MYSTERY WRITERS OF THIS GENERATION, HAS A NEW BOOK COMING OUT. I CAN SEE THIS BEING A HARVEY COHEN MYSTERY. THERE >> THERE YOU GO, ALL YOURS. >> A COUPLE BY ALL ACCOUNTS A LOVING COUPLE. >> YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, WELL EDUCATED, GOOD JOB PROSPECTS, EVERYBODY LOVES BEING AROUND THEM. THEY SEEM TO LOVE THEIR CHILD, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE ENDS UP DEAD AND THE BABY DEAD IN HER ARMS AND THE MAN THE PROSECUTORS SAY PULLED THE TRIGGER IS THE HUSBAND AND FATHER. >> YEAH, WHAT YOU LEGAL FOLKS LIKE TO SAY, A REALLY BAD SET OF FACTS AGAINST HIM. AND THE WEIRDEST PART, I KEEP EXPECTING THE MONSTER TO JUMP OUT OF THE CLOSET. WHERE IS THIS MONSTROUS PERSON WHO WOULD ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? >> THAT'S A GREAT EXPRESSION. THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT. THE MONSTER JUMPING OUT OF THE CLOSET THAT YOU WAIT FOR. >> SO FAR THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO. WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PRETRIAL FILINGS, I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN ANYTHING TO INDICATE THAT THIS GUY IS REALLY FREAKY. LOOK, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SURF PORN. DOESN'T MAKE YOU A KILLER. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY TROUBLE. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A MURDERER. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A BABY KILLER. IT TAKES A LOT TO PUT A GUN TO YOUR BABY'S TUMMY AND YOUR WIFE'S HEAD. AND I'M NOT SEEING THIS IN THIS GUY. >> PROSECUTION IS NOT OVER AND THE DEFENSE HASN'T GOTTEN STARTED YET. BUT YOU ARE JUST WONDERING HAVING SPENT SO MANY YEARS IN COURTROOMS, JURORS ARE EXPECTING THINGS. THEY ARE GOING WHERE IS THE MONSTER IN THE CLOSET? I LOVE THAT LINE. >> WHERE IS THE MICHAEL MUCKCO? THIS IS HIS JURISDICTION. HE CAME FROM THIS PLACE. IT'S THE STRANGEST THING IN THE WORLD WHEN I SAID TO JACK A MOMENT AGO, IT'S A BAD SET OF FACTS. YOU ALMOST DON'T NEED A MONSTER WITH ALL THE FACTS PILING UP AGAINST NEIL ENTWISLE. BUT IF YOU DIDN'T CATCH THEM ALL, IN SESSION'S BETH KARAS HAS DONE IT ALL LEADING UP TO THIS CASE, AND SHE'S GOT THE DETAILS RIGHT HERE. >> WE BELIEVE POSSIBLY THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A MURDER/SUICIDE, BUT WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. OBVIOUSLY THE MURDER WAS AFFECTED. THE SUICIDE WAS NOT. >> Reporter: ON A QUIET WINTER NIGHT IN A SUBURB OUTSIDE OF BOSTON, THE POLICE WERE CALLED TO THE HOUSE OF NEIL AND RACHEL ENTWISLE. GUESTS HAD ARRIVED FOR A DINNER PARTY, BUT THE FAMILY WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. POLICE DID A CURSORY SEARCH OF THE HOUSE TWICE, BEFORE MAKING A GRUESOME DISCOVERY. >> NEIL ENTWISLE, WITH A FIREARM THAT WE BELIEVE HE HAD SECURED AT SOME TIME BEFORE THAT SHOT RACHEL ENTWISLE IN THE HEAD, THEN PROCEEDED TO SHOOT BABY LILLIAN WHO WAS LYING ON THE BED NEXT TO HER MOTHER. >> Reporter: THE ONE THING THEY COULD NOT FIND WAS NEIL ENTWISLE. MASSACHUSETTS INVESTIGATORS LEARNED HE HAD RETURNED TO HIS PARENTS' HOME OUTSIDE OF LONDON. >> NEIL ENTWISLE WAS ARRESTED THIS MORNING, JUST BEFORE NOON LONDON TIME, JUST BEFORE 7:00 OUR TIME, ON TWO CHARGES OF MURDER. THE MURDER OF RACHEL ENTWISLE AND LILLIAN ENTWISLE. >> Reporter: ENTWISLE WAIVED EXTRADITION AND RETURNED TO THE TOWNS FACE THE CHARGES. SPECULATION IS THAT FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE MURDERS. >> ALL RIGHT, YOU WILL BE HELD WITHOUT BAIL UNTIL SUCH TIME -- >> Reporter: THE ARRAIGNMENT IN A MASSACHUSETTS COURTROOM ATTRACTED NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION. >> IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT MR. ENTWISLE HAS BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED IN THIS COURT WITH TWO CRIMES OF MURDER. BY HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, THE PROCESS THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS IS UNDER WAY. >> Reporter: DESPITE HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SIX WEEKS AFTER HIS ARRAIGNMENT, A GRAND JURY INDICTED ENTWISLE FOR THE MURDERS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY DAUGHTER. >> I'M GOING TO VIGOROUSLY, AGGRESSIVELY, AND SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND MR. ENTWISLE. I'M GOING TO DO THAT IN THE ONLY ARENA THAT COUNTS, AND THAT'S THE COURTROOM. >> WELL, JOINING US NOW LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE COURTROOM IN QUESTION, IS OUR OWN BETH KARAS. SHE'S BEEN REPORTING ON THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING. AND ALSO JOINING US IS A GOOD FRIEND OF OURS, ROB GOLROY WHO IS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND A FORMER PROSECUTOR AND HE'S JOINED US ON A NUMBER OF CASES. SINCE THIS IS YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS, MY FRIEND, WE'LL GET YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS IN ON THIS PROGRAM AS WELL. LET ME FIRST, ROB, IF I CAN, SCOOT OVER TO BETH. GET REPORTS OF THE DAY. AS WE'VE BEEN PROGRESSING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WE ARE IN A VERY BRIEF BREAK. WHICH MEANS THE LISTENERS ARE MISSING ANY TESTIMONY, NOR ARE YOU. GET US UP TO SPEED, BETH. NEW HOURS, WHAT'S GOING ON? >> Reporter: THREE WITNESSES HAVE TESTIFIED TODAY. TODAY IS ALL ABOUT TRACING, TRACKING NEIL ENTWISLE, THE DAY OF THE SHOOTING AND THE DAY AFTER. THE 20th AND 21st OF JANUARY, 2006. AND ALSO THE EVENTS JUST BEFORE AND AFTER THE DAY STARTED WITH THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, KIM POOWIG WHO HAD LEASED IT TO THEM FOR THREE MONTHS AND THE ENTWISLES HAD ONLY BEEN IN THE HOUSE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. REALLY LIVING OVERNIGHT A WEEK OR SO AT THE TIME OF THE SHOOTINGS AND SHE TALKED ABOUT LEASING THE HOUSE TO THEM, AND THEN TAKING IT BACK AND NEIL ENTWISLE CALLING AND RELINQUISHING ANY OWNERSHIP RIGHTS TO ANYTHING IN THE HOUSE. BUT THEN THE REST OF THE DAY HAS BEEN SPENT PRIMARILY ON TRACING HIM AND HIS CAR AT LOGAN AIRPORT. TRACING HIS WHEREABOUTS THROUGH ATM TRANSACTIONS. WE'RE LEARNING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR FINANCES, BUT PRIMARILY IN SORT OF A ACCOUNTING FOR HIM AND WHAT HE WAS DOING ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. OF THAT WEEKEND. SO, I MEAN, I ASSUME THEY'LL BE MORE OF THAT THIS AFTERNOON. >> LET ME ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOMETHING WE TEASED OFF THE TOP OF THE PROGRAM ACTUALLY WITH RIKKI KLIEMAN COMING IN TO THIS PROGRAM AND THAT WAS THE FLURRY OF MOTIONS IN LIMINE THAT I'M HOLDING IN MY HANDS TODAY. IT'S THE SIZE OF A PHONE BOOK, PRETTY THICK. IT COMES ON THE BEHALF OF YOU AND THE PRODUCER OUT THERE. I COUNTED 14 DIFFERENT MOTIONS TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE ON THIS JURY AND I THINK ON THE PART OF THE COMMONWEALTH. YOU'LL HAVE TO CORRECT ME, IT'S VERY VAGUE AS I FLIP THROUGH, IT'S FIVE OR SIX OF THEM. BUT IT COVERS SOME PRETTY SEXY STUFF. WHAT ESSENTIAL ESSENTIALLY IS THE DEFENSE TRYING TO KEEP AWAY FROM THIS JURY? >> Reporter: WELL, LET ME FIRST TELL YOU THAT THE PURPOSE OF FILING THESE MOTIONS IN ADVANCE IS TO GET RULINGS IN ADVANCE SO YOU DON'T TAKE UP THE COURT'S TIME LITIGATING AND DURING THE TRIAL, BUT ALSO EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS SO THE LAWYERS HAVE SOME GUIDANCE IN PUTTING IN THEIR EVIDENCE, MAYBE EVEN MAKING THEIR OPENING STATEMENTS. SO, I HAD THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD SEE THE RULING OR HEAR THE RULING BEFORE THE OPENINGS, BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. NOTHING HAPPENED IN OPEN COURT IN TERMS OF THE RULINGS. MAYBE THE RULINGS HAPPEN IN CHAMBERS. SHE MET WITH THE LAWYERS IN CHAMBERS JUST BEFORE OPENING STATEMENTS OR SHE MAY HAVE RESERVED HER JUDGMENT BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL THE LAWYERS TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES. YOU KNOW, IN OPENINGS. THE DEFENSE HAS -- I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES ON, BUT I HAVE MY NOTES HERE. THE DEFENSE WANTED TO SUPPRESS CERTAIN STATEMENTS THAT HE MADE TO THE U.S. MARSHALS EN ROUTE FROM LONDON BACK TO THE UNITED STATES SAYING THAT HE WAS -- HE FELT COMPELLED TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS WHEN HE WAS INTERROGATED BECAUSE THE BRITISH SYSTEM DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AGAINST SELF-INCRIMINATION OF THE DEFENSE THAT WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES AND YOU CAN BE PENALIZED IF YOU DON'T COOPERATE. SO, YOU KNOW, HE'S THINKING TO HAVE SOME STATEMENTS TO THE MARSHALS EXCLUDED. BUT ALSO THE DEFENSE WANTS TO PREVENT THE PROSECUTION FROM USING THE PHOTOGRAPH OF A NUDE, AROUSED MAN SITTING IN LIKE A BEACH CHAIR. HE SAYS IT'S NOT HIMSELF. NOT NEIL. APPARENTLY THE PROSECUTION SAYS IT IS. I BELIEVE IT WAS A PHOTO HE MAY HAVE SENT IN AN E-MAIL EXCHANGE TO SOMEONE ON ADULT FRIEND FINDER, I THINK. AND THEY ALSO WANT TO EXCLUDE A TELEPHONE RECORDING MADE TO A MAN NAMED STEVE HORTON ON CHRISTMAS EVE 2005. DON'T KNOW WHO HE IS, AND IT'S A PERSON WITH A BRITISH OR AUSTRALIAN ACCENT, BUT THE DEFENSE SAYS IT'S NOT NEIL ENTWISLE. THEY ALSO WANT TO EXCLUDE A DVD RECORDING CALLED "CASEY'S COLLECTION" WHICH DEPICTS PORNOGRAPHIC SEXUAL ACTIVITY. DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE DVD OR -- DENYING ANY -- THE IDENTITY OF ANYONE IN IT. IN ADDITION, THEY WANT TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW DNA WAS TAKEN FROM THE BABY TO DETERMINE IDENTITY AND -- >> WAS IT -- CAN I STOP YOU THERE? >> Reporter: OPEN HER COFFIN. >> AS I READ THAT, I WONDERED IF IT WAS THE ACTUAL PROCESS OF IT OR THE STATEMENT OF IT IN COURT SAYING WE HAD TO GO TO THE FUNERAL HOME, OPEN THE COFFIN OF THE BABY, TAKE A PIECE OF HAIR, AND I THOUGHT THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS SIMPLY WANTED TO SAY, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT IN OPEN COURT. >> Reporter: CORRECT. >> THAT'S PRETTY PEJORATIVE. >> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT. HOW THEY HAD TO DRIVE DOWN TO KINGSTON AND OPEN THE CASKET AND REMOVE HER HAIR. >> THEY SAID THEY TWO STIPULATE TO IT, RIGHT? >> Reporter: THEY COULD. THE DEFENSE DOESN'T HAVE TO STIPULATE, OR THE PROSECUTION DOESN'T HAVE TO STIPULATE, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS DO IT. >> I THOUGHT THEY WERE SAYING WE'LL AGREE TO THE DNA TESTING, BUT DON'T DESCRIBE HOW IT HAPPENED. IT WILL KILL THE JURY. THEY WILL HATE MY CLIENT IF IT HAPPENS. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE STATEMENTS THAT NEIL ENTWISLE MADE TO THE U.S. MARSHALS UPON HIS EXTRADITION HOME WERE AT ISSUE, BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ALL THOSE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT HE HAD ON THE TELEPHONE WHILE HE WAS IN ENGLAND. THE TWO-HOUR PHONE CALL WITH THE TROOPER. THE PHONE CALL THAT HE HAD WITH RACHEL'S STEPDAD AND WHETHER THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH REGARD TO MIRANDA THAT APPLIES TO THOSE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY HAD ONLY BEEN IN THE U.S. FOR FOUR MONTHS, HOW IS HE EVEN SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT MIRANDA WAS IF THEY MENTIONED IT? >> Reporter: WELL, MIRANDA ONLY COMES INTO PLAY IF YOU HAVE A CUSTODIAL INTERROGATION. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO THINGS, TO BE IN CUSTODY AND ASKED QUESTIONS, BEING INTERROGATED. YOU CAN BE IN CUSTODY AND BLURT THINGS OUT AND THAT CAN COME IN BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT BEING QUESTIONED. WHEN HE'S SITTING IN THE COMFORT OF HIS PARENTS' HOME HE'S VOLUNTARY TALKING TO TROOPER MANNING. WHILE THAT'S A TROOPERING TO HIM, HE'S NOT COMPELLED. WHEN HE'S TALKING TO JOE MATTERAZZO, IT'S CIVILIAN TO CIVILIAN. IT DOESN'T TRIGGER MIRANDA. BUT HE'S IN CUSTODY WHEN HE'S PICKED UP IN LONDON AND TURNED OVER TO THE U.S. OFFICIALS, THE DEPUTY MARSHALS AND SO ALLEGES THERE WAS INTERROGATION. I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE DETAILS OF ANY STATEMENTS THAT HE MADE. BUT THERE'S WHERE MIRANDA IS TRIGGERED BECAUSE HE'S IN CUSTODY AND SAYS THEY QUESTIONED HIM. >> OKAY. SO LET'S SAY JUST FOR KICKS THAT THERE IS A RULING ON THAT CUSTODIAL, IF WE WANT TO CALL IT A CUSTODIAL INTERVIEW, WHERE HE'S BEING TAKEN BY THE MARSHALS BACK TO THE U.S. IF THEY RULE AGAINST IT IS AND IT IS EXCLUDED, YOU STILL HAVE THIS HUGE AFFIDAVIT FROM TROOPER MICHAEL BANKS, RIGHT, WHO SPENT TWO HOURS -- IT WASN'T BANKS WHO SPENT THE TWO HOURS ON THE PHONE. >> Reporter: MANNING. >> RIGHT, TROOPER MANNING WHO SPENT TWO HOURS ON THE PHONE WITH HIM, AND ALL THAT IS FAIR GAME? >> Reporter: ABSOLUTELY. ALL THAT'S'S FAIR GAME. ANYTHING HE SAID TO JOE MATTERAZZO AND ANYTHING HE SAID TO FRIENDS FROM THE UK. I DO THINK THAT SOME OF HIS FRIENDS MAY TESTIFY. AND THESE ARE -- ONE OF THEM IS A FRIEND WHO TO WHOM HE -- NO, A FRIEND TOLD HIM THAT THE POLICE WERE LOOKING FOR HIM, AND HE -- ENTWISLE'S GOING IN TO THE SUBWAY AND ASKED IF THERE WAS ANOTHER EXIT HE ASKED HIS FRIEND. THAT'S CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE POLICE. HE MADE STATEMENTS TO THE FRIENDS APPARENTLY ABOUT FINDING HIS WIFE DEAD WHICH ARE INCONSISTENT TO STATEMENTS HE MADE TO MANNING AND MATTERAZZO. THAT MAY BE FAIR GAME, STATEMENTS MADE TO CIVILIANS. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF TALKING POINTS FROM NEIL ENTWISLE THAT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IF WE EVER HEAR FROM HIM. IT SEEMS SUPERFLUOUS, WE'VE HEARD SO MUCH FROM HIM ALREADY THROUGH THE STATEMENTS. REALLY QUICKLY, THOUGH, AND I FIND IT UNBELIEVABLE, THE STATEMENT THAT WE OPENED THE SHOW WITH, THAT WAS MR. MATTERAZZO ON THE STAND, HE WAS TALKING ON THE PHONE TO NEIL ABOUT HOW TO BURY RACHEL AND LILY, AND HE SAID, MATTERAZZO QUOTED ON THE STAND, THAT'S THE WAY I LEFT THEM. NEIL TOLD HIM, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I FOUND THEM. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT ONE HUNG IN THE AIR PRETTY LONG AND HARD YESTERDAY. >> Reporter: YES. HOWEVER, FABBRI'S GOING TO HAVE TO POINT IT OUT TO THE JURY. IT DIDN'T GET LOST ON ANY OF US IN THE PUBLIC GALLERY, FROM THE MEDIA, BECAUSE WE WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS. FABBRI DID SAY, THAT'S HOW HE SAID, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW HE SAID IT, THAT'S WHAT MATTERAZZO SAID. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE JURORS GOT WHAT THAT MEANT. HOWEVER, I'M SURE HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO EMPHASIZE IT IN CLOSING. BUT IF ENTWISLE HAD JUST SAID THAT'S THE WAY I LEFT THEM AND NOT CHANGED TO IT FOUND THEM, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A BIG DEAL. BUT HE DID LEAVE THEM THAT WAY, HE FOUND THEM LIKE THAT, HE LEFT THEM THAT WAY. >> HE'S NOT DISPUTING THE FACT THAT HE LEFT AND HE TOOK OFF. WE'RE PROBABLY ALL GOING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HIS REASONS WHEN THE DEFENSE COMES IN. ROB, LET ME BRING YOU IN ON THIS, JACK AND I WERE BOTH HAVING THE CONVERSATION BEFORE WE CAME OUT TO YOU TWO AND THAT IS WHERE IS THE MONSTER THAT COULD BE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS KIND OF THING? I JUST -- I DON'T SEE THIS PERSON OR HIS PATH, I DON'T SEE THE HUGE SET OF PRIOR BAD ACTS THAT SHOWS US THAT THIS GUY IS, YOU KNOW -- IS THIS EVIL. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET IT AT SOME POINT? >> I DON'T KNOW. IT SEEMS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT HE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LAID-BACK AND RESERVED AND WE'VE HEARD ALL THIS TESTIMONY ABOUT HIS SHYNESS. CERTAINLY I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE PROSECUTOR PERHAPS DURING HIS CLOSING IS GOING TO MAKE SOME SORT OF ANALOGY OR PARALLEL THAT, LISTEN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVE HE DID BY WAY OF HIS CONDUCT AND YOU DON'T SEE HIM AS A MONSTER. HOWEVER, PORTRAY HIM AS A SHEEP IN WOLF'S CLOTHING TYPE OF ARGUMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPHILL BATTLE, I THINK, BECAUSE IF NOT MOST OF THE EVIDENCE IF NOT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE GOES TO SHOW THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT OUTWARD TENDENCY TO BE EVIL. HOWEVER, WHAT'S TICKING INSIDE OF HIM, THE GOVERNMENT I WOULD EXPECT IS GOING TO SUGGEST IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THROUGH THE EVIDENCE THEY'VE OBTAINED. >> ALL RIGHT. HOLD ON, IF YOU WILL, ROB, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU SHORTLY, AS WE SEE THESE PICTURES OF NEIL ENTWISLE IN COURT, IT'S HARD TO FATHOM IF HE IS GUILTY OF THIS CRIME, MAN, SOMEONE LIKE THAT, WITH THIS SPOTLESS RECORD, YEAH, HE SEARCHED PORN, BUT MY GOD, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DO THAT, AND THEY DON'T GO KILLING THEIR WIFE AND BABY. YEAH, HE HAD FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT DOES A MURDERER THAT MAKE? WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HAVE TESTIMONY. THOSE THAT PERHAPS KNEW THE ENTWISLE COUPLE BETTER, A GOOD FRIEND OF RACHEL, THE VICTIM'S, WILL WEIGH IN ON WHAT SHE KNEW ABOUT THESE TWO. >>> RACHEL WAS A WONDERFUL WIFE, DAUGHTER, GRANDDAUGHTER, SISTER, AND MOTHER. SHE WAS ALWAYS FIRST TO SHARE HER BELIEFS, HER LOVE, AND HER SUPPORT TO OTHERS. SHE MADE HER CLOSE FRIENDS A PART OF HER FAMILY, AND SHE ALWAYS KEPT HER FAMILY AT THE CENTER OF HER LIFE. WITH THE BIRTH OF RACHEL'S DAUGHTER LILLIAN ROSE ENTWISLE LAST APRIL, RACHEL SHARED HER GREATEST LOVE, THAT OF BEING A MOTHER. >> THOSE WERE COMMENTS BY JOE FLAHERTY, A FAMILY FRIEND AND SPOKESPERSON, DELIVERED JUST DAYS AFTER THE MURDERS OF RACHEL ENTWISLE AND HER DAUGHTER LILLIAN, DESCRIBING THAT PERSON THAT SHE WAS. AND JURORS INSIDE THIS COURTROOM NOW ARE HEARING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT PERSON, AND THEY'RE CERTAINLY HEARING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP SHE HAD BETWEEN HERSELF AND HER HUSBAND, NEIL. NOW, JUST HEADS UP FOR YOU, THEY ARE IN THE MIDST OF A BRIEF RECESS INSIDE THE COURTROOM. WE EXPECT THEM TO GET STARTED WITH LIVE TESTIMONY. WE'LL JUMP IN RIGHT AWAY AS SOON AS THEY ARE READY TO. BUT IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO HEAR WHAT THE JURORS HEARD EARLIER TODAY, TESTIMONY THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN. SPEAKING OF RACHEL AND WHAT SHE WAS LIKE AND HER RELATIONSHIP WITH NEIL ENTWISLE IS LIKE, ON THE STAND MICHELLE, WAS A FRIEND OF RACHEL ENTWISLE SINCE THEY WERE CHILDREN AS A MATTER OF FACT. AND SHE GOT ON THE STAND AND IN A RESPONSE TO A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TALKED ABOUT WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP WAS, WHAT SHE SAW BETWEEN HER FRIEND AND HER HUSBAND AND THE TWO OF THEM AND THEIR CHILD. WE'RE PICKING UP WITH THE CROSS-EXAMINATION WHERE SHE'S BEING ASKED A SERIES OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DEFENSE ATTORNEY STEPHANIE PAGE WHAT SHE KNEW ABOUT THEIR LIFE IN ENGLAND AND WHAT THEIR LIFE WAS LIKE WHEN THEY RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES, TO MASSACHUSETTS. LET'S WATCH. >> I TAKE IT OBVIOUSLY YOU WERE VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH RACHEL MOST OF YOUR LIFE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND FROM WHAT YOU TOLD US, YOU SORT OF LOST TOUCH A LITTLE BIT RIGHT AFTER COLLEGE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. >> I'M SORRY, RIGHT AFTER -- RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. AND YOU WOULD SEE EACH OTHER DURING THAT TIME ON BREAKS FROM COLLEGE OR WHEN YOU WOULD BE COMING HOME FROM SUMMER, IS THAT CORRECT? >> HERE AND THERE, YES. >> AND YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WOULD KEEP IN TOUCH PERIODICALLY THROUGH E-MAILS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, YES, YES. >> AND THAT WHEN YOU DID SEE EACH OTHER DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS REALLY MOSTLY JUST DROPPING IN AT RACHEL'S MOTHER'S HOUSE WOULD BE ONE WAY, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> OR RACHEL GOING OVER TO YOUR HOUSE ANOTHER WAY, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND THEN WHEN RACHEL MOVED TO ENGLAND, YOU KEPT UP SOME SORT OF E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND THAT YOU WOULD ALSO SEE RACHEL WHEN SHE WOULD COME HOME TO VISIT FROM ENGLAND, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND MOST OF THE TIME SHE WOULD SEE RACHEL WHEN SHE WOULD COME HOME FROM ENGLAND WOULD BE AROUND EITHER HOLIDAYS, RIGHT? >> YES. >> FAMILY EVENTS? >> YES. >> OR YOU AND HER SEEING EACH OTHER AT EACH OTHER'S HOMES? >> YES. >> YOU ALSO TOLD US THAT RACHEL DID HAVE A NUMBER OF FRIENDS, GOOD FRIENDS FROM HIGH SCHOOL, CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND THAT WHEN RACHEL CAME BACK TO CARVER, YOU ALL SOME -- YOU GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME OF THOSE FRIENDS WITH THE BABIES, IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT WASN'T IN CARVER. IT WAS AT OTHER FRIEND'S HOUSE. >> I'M SORRY BUT I MEANT ONCE RACHEL WAS BACK HERE FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM. >> YES. >> AND IT WAS ALSO SOMEBODY ELSE HAD A BABY AND PEOPLE WOULD JUST ENJOY EACH OTHER WITH THE BABIES, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> NOW, WHEN RACHEL WAS IN ENGLAND, YOU KNEW THAT SHE HAD A PRETTY GOOD JOB OVER THERE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AS A TEACHER? >> YES. >> AND THAT NEIL HAD A DECENT JOB OVER THERE AT A COMPANY. RIGHT? >> YES. >> THAT THEY HAD THEIR OWN PLACE WHERE THEY LIVED? >> YES. >> THAT THEY HAD THEIR OWN CAR? >> YES. >> A BMW. >> YES. >> AND THAT THEY HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS OVER THERE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID OR NOT. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. >> WELL, SHE WAS -- STRIKE THAT. RACHEL WAS SOMEBODY WHO REALLY LIKED TO SOCIALIZE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH, SHE WAS A NICE PERSON, YEAH. >> OF COURSE, SHE WAS A NICE PERSON AND SHE LIKED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, DINNER PARTIES. >> YES. >> AND SHE LIKED TO CELEBRATE TIME WITH HER FRIENDS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> WHEN NEIL CAME BACK -- WHEN NEIL CAME OVER AFTER -- IN SEPTEMBER AFTER RACHEL AND LILLY HAD BEEN HERE, RACHEL WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE HIM, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND OBVIOUSLY NEIL WAS HAPPY TO SEE HER AND THE BABY. >> YES. >> AND RACHEL DURING THE MONTH THAT SHE HAD BEEN HERE ALONE HAD BEEN LIVING OBVIOUSLY AT THE MATTERAZZO HOUSE. >> UH-HUH. >> SHE DIDN'T HAVE A CAR. >> RIGHT. >> AND WHEN YOU WOULD -- YOU SAW HER DURING THAT MONTH PERIOD? >> AT LEAST ONCE, YES. >> AND THAT WOULD BE EITHER YOU DROPPING OVER TO HER HOUSE? >> WE WENT TO HERS, YES. >> WAS HER MOTHER AROUND AT THAT POINT? >> IT WAS A FRIDAY. I DON'T THINK SHE WAS THERE, NO. >> AND YOU WOULD JUST SPEND TIME WITH RACHEL AT THE HOUSE. >> YES. >> NOW, YOU DID KNOW OBVIOUSLY RACHEL ESPECIALLY AFTER NEIL GOT HERE THAT THEY WERE ANXIOUS TO GET OUT ON THEIR OWN, IS THAT RIGHT? >> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, NO. >> WELL, THAT THEY -- THEY WANTED TO GET A HOUSE OF THEIR OWN. >> IT WAS IN THE PLANS, BUT IT WASN'T -- IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO EVENTUALLY. IT WASN'T LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, THEY WERE A YOUNG MARRIED COUPLE CLEARLY, RIGHT? >> YES. >> IT WOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL FOR THEM NOT TO WANT TO LIVE RIGHT UNDER THE ROOF OF THEIR MOTHER OR THEIR IN-LAWS, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> OBJECTION. >> SUSTAINED. >> THEY WERE -- THEY HAD RELOCATED HERE TO START A NEW LIFE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> IF YOU KNOW. >> SUSTAINED. >> THEY -- THEY WERE -- THEY BOTH WERE COMING OVER HERE TO LIVE IN AMERICA. >> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW THAT. >> YEAH. >> RACHEL TOLD YOU THAT, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND THAT WAS A POSITIVE THING, RIGHT? >> YEP. >> AND THAT THEY HAD LEFT A LOT BEHIND IN ENGLAND IN TERMS OF THEIR SOCIAL GATHERINGS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> IF THE WITNESS KNOWS, SHE CAN ANSWER. >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. >> YOU AND RACHEL DIDN'T SHARE THAT MUCH WITH EACH OTHER? >> NOT TO THAT LEVEL. >> THAT THEN SOME TESTIMONY FROM A VERY GOOD CHILDHOOD FRIEND OF RACHEL ENTWISLE. LET ME BOUNCE BACK OUT TO ROB GOLIBOIS OUTSIDE HERE. AS WITH SO MANY WITNESSES IN CRIMINAL TRIALS THEY BRING SOME THINGS FOR BOTH SIDES, USUALLY ONE SIDE MORE THAN THE OTHER. BUT OFTENTIMES YOU CAN GET SOMETHING HERE. WE'VE SEEN A WHOLE SERIES OF WITNESSES CALLED TO THE STAND BY THE PROSECUTION FOR GOOD REASON. THE PROSECUTION NEEDS THEM FOR A LOT OF THINGS. >> RIGHT. >> BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THE DEFENSE TO GET EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM TO CONCEDE TO THESE JURORS YOU KNOW WHAT, NEIL AND RACHEL SEEMED LIKE A REAL LOVING COUPLE AND HE LOVED HIS CHILD AND WE NEVER SAW ANY ILLUSTRATIONS OF ANY ANIMOSITY OR ANGER OR VIOLENCE BETWEEN THEM. >> RIGHT. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY PRODUCTIVE FOR THE DEFENSE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I WOULD ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. AND WHAT WE WERE JUST WATCHING THERE, THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY, STEPHANIE PAGE, I THOUGHT WAS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DRAWING EXACTLY THAT OUT, JACK, THAT THIS WAS JUST YOUR TYPICAL, YOUNG COUPLE WITH A BABY, GOING THROUGH LIFE LIKE WE ALL DO. AND CERTAINLY AS ASHLEY WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, THAT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER OF THIS MONSTER THAT PERHAPS WE WANT TO BELIEVE EXISTS. SO, I THOUGHT THE DEFENSE WAS DOING A VERY NICE JOB OF MAKING THOSE POINTS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF EXAMINING THE WITNESSES. >> WE SHOULD MENTION, WE TALK ABOUT THIS IN OTHER CASES, BUT CERTAINLY IN -- AS FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, YOU KNOW, JURORS ARE TOLD THAT PROSECUTORS DON'T HAVE TO PROVE A MOTIVE IN A CASE HERE. >> RIGHT. >> BUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHTS ON -- AND GIVEN YOUR LAW UP THERE, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS NONETHELESS. I MEAN, YOU SPENT TIME AS A PROSECUTOR, TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A HARD MOTIVE FOR A CASE. >> IT CAN BE DIFFICULT CERTAINLY. AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT THESE JURORS, LIKE MOST JURORS, WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION WHY. CERTAINLY THE PROSECUTOR'S GOING TO MENTION DURING HIS CLOSING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THE WHY. IT MAY EVEN BE MENTIONED BY HER HONOR DURING THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THEY'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO THE JURY DELIBERATIONS ROOM AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING THAT TOOL THAT THEY'RE ASKED TO UTILIZE, THAT'S THEIR COMMON SENSE IN DIGESTING ALL THIS EVIDENCE. AND CERTAINLY DURING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WOULD YOU EXPECT HIM TO ASK THEM, WHY WOULD HE DO THIS. SO, IT'S A PRETTY POWERFUL ABSENCE OF MOTIVE THAT THE PROSECUTION NEEDS TO OVERCOME. >> IT'S ALWAYS THE SORT OF DELICATE DANCE THAT PROSECUTORS ARE DANCING SOMETIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE JURORS KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVE IT, BUT, BOY, YOU LIKE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROOF OF A MOTIVE IF YOU CAN. ROB, YOU'RE GOING TO STAY ON WITH US, OF COURSE. WE'LL FIT IN A QUICK BREAK HERE BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK -- AS I SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO. THEY'RE IN THE MIDST OF A BRIEF RECESS. WE EXPECT MORE LIVE TESTIMONY TO BE TAKING PLACE. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS CASE, WE'LL BE CHECKING IN WITH A WELL RESPECTED WRITER UP IN THERE ON THE CASE. WE'LL BE TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT HIS GREAT INSIGHTS. WE'LL BE TALKING WITH HIM ABOUT THE MURDER OF THESE TWO PEOPLE AND THE MAN HOLDING THEM ACCUSED AS THEIR KILLER. THAT, WHEN WE RETURN. >>> I DON'T KNOW THAT MR. ENTWISLE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO GET A FAIR TRIAL ON THESE CHARGES. AND MY CONCERN THAT HE CAN'T GET A FAIR TRIAL IS BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE PUBLICITY SURROUNDING THIS EVENT. >> THOSE WERE COMMENTS DONE BY ELLIOT WEINSTEIN ONE OF THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS FOR KNEEL WENT ISLE. THOSE COMMENTS DELIVERED WEEKS AFTER THE MURDERS, THE DAY OF THE ARRAIGNMENT AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE MOVED FORWARD TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE INDEED IN THE MIDST OF A TRIAL. THEY ARE, HOWEVER, IN THE MIDST OF A QUICK BREAK. WE EXPECT THEM TO GET STARTED ANYTIME SOON. BUT IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO CHECK IN WITH JOE JURNAL. HE'S A WRITER WITH THE "BOSTON HERD." THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US. WE WANT TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON SOME THINGS. LET ME ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE HEELS OF THOSE COMMENTS BY ELLIOT WEINSTEIN. WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT THE JURY PANEL THAT WAS ULTIMATELY SELECTED, THAT HALF OF THEM ESSENTIALLY SAID TO THE JUDGE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL I CAME HERE TO THE COURTHOUSE. DID IT SURPRISE YOU? >> IT DID SURPRISE ME A BIT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE PRESS. BUT IT'S THE ELEMENT OF SOCIETY THAT SAYS I DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT MURDER, I'VE HAD A LONG DAY. THEY FOUND THEM, THEY ARE ON THIS JURY. >> YEAH. HOW ABOUT HOW THE CASE IS PLAYING UP? AS WE KNOW, EXTRAORDINARY INTEREST INITIALLY. HOW ABOUT NOW AS THE TRIAL HAS GOTTEN STARTED? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY'S ATTRACTION TO THIS TRIAL? >> WELL, IT GOES UP AND DOWN. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE A STORY THAT'S NEW, PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO READ ABOUT IT. WE HAD SOME -- THE LATEST PAPERS ON THE CASE PRETRIAL THAT REALLY WENT A LOT OF INTEREST, ESPECIALLY THE ACCUSATIONS BY THE PROSECUTION THAT NEIL HAD HANDWRITTEN NOTES ON HIM SAYING THAT HE WANTED TO SELL HIS STORY TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT. SO, AS THIS CASE MOVES ON, AS MORE WITNESSES COME UP, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE INTEREST SPIKE. >> AS YOU WERE TALKING, WE HAD SOME SHOTS OF NEIL ENTWISLE ACTUALLY COMING INTO THE COURTROOM, SITTING DOWN AT THE DEFENSE COUNSEL TABLE. HOW ABOUT THE FEEL INSIDE THE COURTROOM? WE KNOW THIS IS NOT A REAL COURTROOM. IT'S NOT A REAL COURTHOUSE. IT'S SORT OF A MAKESHIFT COURTROOM. BUT HOW ABOUT THE FEEL INSIDE? YOU'VE COVERED A LOT OF CASES, A LOT OF TRIALS. WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO YOU? >> WELL, IT FEELS LIKE A BIG CASE, ESPECIALLY ON THE OPENING DAY. I MEAN, THERE WASN'T A SEAT TO BE HAD. BUT I DO GO BACK. WHEN YOU SEE SOME OF THE COURTS AROUND BOSTON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OLD FASHIONED. THEY'RE SPACIOUS. THIS IS LIKE HAVING A TRIAL IN AN OFFICE PARK, BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT AS THIS CASE MOVES ALONG, AS YOU LEARN MORE DETAILS, I THINK IT'S FASCINATING STUFF. AND I GET THIS FEELING, THIS STRONG FEELING, THAT THERE IS MORE TO COME. SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD NEWS, BUT BIG NEWS IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. >> YOU KNOW, ASH LIUSED AN EXPRESSION OF A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE AND I JUST LOVE IT, SHE SAID SHE'S LOOKING FOR THE MONSTER IN THE CLOSET TO COME OUT HERE. AND DO YOU HAVE THAT SAME SENSE AS A VETERAN REPORTER HERE, THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THESE CHARGES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MURDER, JUST THIS HEARTLESS MURDER OF A WIFE AND A MOTHER AND A 9-MONTH-OLD CHILD, DO YOU HAVE THE SAME SENSE OF ANTICIPATION, WAITING FOR THAT MONSTER TO JUMP OUT OF THE CLOSET? >> EXACTLY. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING. THESE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS, ELLIOT WEINSTEIN AND STEPHANIE PAGE, ARE REAL GOOD. SO, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO PICK APART WITNESSES. THEY MUST HAVE SOMETHING. THEY MUST HAVE SOME KIND OF DEFENSE READY TO LAUNCH. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. AND I KNOW THAT THE PROSECUTION IS -- HAS YET TO HAVE THE DNA EVIDENCE. THE BALLISTICS EVIDENCE. THAT'S GOING TO BE STRONG STUFF, TOO. SO, YES, I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE BIG MOMENTS. MAYBE MORE THAN ONE, MAYBE A COUPLE, THAT ARE GOING TO COME PRETTY QUICK, I THINK. >> JOE, IN LOOKING THROUGH THE ARTICLES THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN HERE, I WAS STRUCK BY ONE OF THEM I FOUND VERY INTERESTING. I HADN'T REALLY HEARD MUCH ABOUT UP TO THIS POINT AND YOU WROTE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE MAY WELL BE SERIOUS CONFRONTATIONS IN THE COURTROOM WITH REGARD TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER BECAUSE OF SOME PREVIOUS PROBLEMS THAT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER HAD HAD. YOU KNOW, FILL US IN ON THAT IN ANTICIPATION, IF YOU WILL. >> WELL, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE HAS BEEN IN DISARRAY. IT'S MADE SOME ERRORS, INCLUDING BODIES SENT TO THE WRONG LOCATIONS. AND IT WAS A MESS. AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CLEAN IT UP AND THEY DIDN'T. SO, WHILE ALL THIS IS HAPPENING, THE ENTWISLE EVIDENCE IS BEING INVESTIGATED. BUT THERE WAS A PRETRIAL MOTION WHERE THEY SAID, YOU CAN'T REALLY BRING THIS UP, UNLESS IT'S RELEVANT. SO, IF THAT BECOMES RELEVANT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE DEFENSE COUNSELS JUMP UP AND INTRODUCE IT. BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. SO, JUST TO REPEAT, THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE IN MASSACHUSETTS HAS HAD BETTER DAYS. >> SO TAKING A PAGE FROM THE O.J. SIMPSON MURDER TRIAL SCRIPT, IF THE DEFENSE CAN, THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUT THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE ON TRIAL, YOU THINK? >> THEY MAY. BUT I GO BACK TO THAT MOTION THAT THEY SAID YOU CAN'T INTRODUCE THIS. YOU KNOW, ELLIOT WEINSTEIN DIDN'T FIGHT IT, BUT HE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO, I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP AND THEN THE JUDGE IS GOING TO HAVE TO RULE AT THAT MOMENT. SO, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE -- IT'S KIND OF IN LIMBO. YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO COME UP. NOT SURE. IT JUST ALSO PLAYS INTO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, THAT SOMETHING'S COMING. THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE A GOOD DEFENSE, AND I'M HOPING IT'S AROUND THE -- AROUND THE TURN. >> YEAH, TALKING ABOUT IN THAT SAME VEIN ABOUT SOMETHING COMING AND SOME SURPRISES. LISTEN TO ONE SECOND WITH ME, JOE. IT'S A SERIES OF BITES FROM SOME TESTIMONY OF FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS OF RACHEL ENTWISLE, AND THEY'RE COMMENTING UPON THE RELATIONSHIP, WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF NEIL ENTWISLE, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT HE HAD WITH RACHEL. LISTEN TO THIS REAL QUICKLY. >> I LIKE NEIL A LOT. HE WAS PART OF THE FAMILY. >> WHAT ABOUT YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL? >> THEY HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. >> AND WHAT ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH LILLY? >> SAME. >> BASED ON -- MA'AM, BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF THE VARIETY OF TIMES YOU HAD SEEN THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL TOGETHER, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEIR RELATIONSHIP UP TO AND INCLUDING THEIR MARRIAGE IN AUGUST OF 2003? >> THEY SEEMED TO GET ALONG VERY WELL. THEY SEEMED TO HAVE A FRIENDSHIP AS WELL AS SEEMED TO LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER. >> WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAD OBSERVED BETWEEN THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL, SOUZA? >> THEY WERE GREAT. >> FROM ALL YOU COULD SEE, RACHEL AND NEIL WERE VERY HAPPY TOGETHER. >> THEY WERE. >> FAIR TO SAY THAT AS FAR AS YOU EXPERIENCED THEM, THEY WERE A HAPPY AND LOVING COUPLE? >> YES. >> SO, JOE, I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS AS A PROSECUTOR AND DEFENSE LAWYER AND DID DOZENS OF MURDER CASES, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK BACK, I CAN'T REMEMBER ANOTHER MURDER TRIAL THAT I WAS INVOLVED WITH WHERE I HAD THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTIM WITH SUCH GLOWING COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEFENDANT. YOU'RE NOT EVEN SEEING AN INSINUATION BY ANY OF THESE WITNESSES OF A SUSPICION OR ANIMOSITY OR ANGER OR, YOU KNOW, EVEN VIOLENCE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE DOORS ARE CLOSED. IS THIS SOMETHING, THAT TESTIMONY, IS THIS SURPRISING TO YOU ALSO? >> IT'S AMAZING. IT IS SURPRISING TO ME. I MEAN, JOE MATTERAZZO, THE STEPFATHER, PRISILL LA, THE MOTHER GSH AND THE BROTHER AND THE UNCLE WHO EVEN TAUGHT NEIL THE CORRECT WAY TO SHOOT. THEY BROUGHT HIM DOWN TO THE FIRING RANGE AND TOLD HIM WHEN WE SAY CEASE-FIRE, CEASE-FIRE. IT IS. EVERYONE'S SAYING WHAT A LOVING, BEAUTIFUL COUPLE THEY WERE. THEY JUST DOTED ON THEIR BABY GIRL. BUT SOMEWHERE I'M SEEING HINTS THAT THERE WAS MORE AT PLAY. NOW, DURING TESTIMONY YESTERDAY, AND THE DAY BEFORE, THE DEFENSE WOULD STOP ANYONE FROM SAYING I OVERHEARD A TELEPHONE CALL. OR I OVERHEARD THIS OR I OVERHEARD THAT. SO, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE REALLY SO FAR KEEPING IT IN LINE. THE DEFENSE IS DOING A GOOD JOB OF NOT LETTING ANYTHING ELSE SEEP INTO THE ARGUMENT, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF ONLY A QUARTER OF THE WAY INTO THIS CASE. SO, I THINK A LITTLE MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE TENSION MIGHT COME OUT. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TENSION, JOE, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS COURTROOM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BY THE WAY, I LOVE THE COURTROOMS AND THE COURTHOUSES IN MASSACHUSETTS, AND I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT THE TRAPPINGS OF JUSTICE ARE IMPORTANT TO THE ADMINISTRATION. YOU NEED TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN A COURTROOM WHERE JUSTICE IS GOING TO BE DISPENSE. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, WE UNDERSTAND WHY. THE QUESTION TO YOU IS INSIDE THE COURTROOM, YOU SAID IT FEELS LIKE A BIG TRIAL. ARE YOU FEELING TENSION YOU? HAVE THE ONE FAMILY ON ONE SIDE, THE OTHER FAMILY ON THE OTHER SIDE, SUPPORTERS. DO YOU SEE ANY INTERACTION OR ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS TENSION AMONGST AND BETWEEN THE PARTIES? >> NO. THE TWO -- THE ENTWISLES FROM ENGLAND, THEY COME IN. THEY SIT ON ONE FAR SIDE TO THE FAR RIGHT FRONT ROW. THE MATTERAZZOS AND RACHEL'S FAMILY, MUCH BIGGER FAMILY, AS MANY AS 20, THEY SIT TO THE LEFT IN THE FIRST TWO ROWS. NOT MUCH INTERACTION. TODAY NEIL'S MOTHER HAD TO GET UP AND LEAVE, AND THAT CAME RIGHT AFTER TESTIMONY BY A WOMAN IN WHO SAID THAT SHE BASICALLY WAS THE WELCOME WAGGEN TO HOPKINTON AND THE FATHER TOOK HER OUT AND SHE CAME BACK A WHILE BACK. THE EMOTIONS ARE STARTING TO COME OUT A LITTLE BIT. WHEN I MEAN TENSION, I THINK IT'S IN THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE PICKING UP ON THAT LIFE WAS A LITTLE TIGHT INSIDE THAT HOME IN CARVER. >> LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE LET YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU NEED TO GET BACK INSIDE THE COURTROOM. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SORT OF EYES AND EARS IN THE COURTROOM, GIVE US A LITTLE -- YOUR THOUGHTS, JUDGE DIANE KOTTMYER WE'VE COMMENTED ON AND JUST WORKING, RUNNING THAT COURTROOM ADMIRABLY, I THINK, SEEMS LIKE THE KIND OF JUDGE THAT TRIAL LAWYERS WILL LIKE. DOESN'T INJECT HERSELF INTO THE TRIAL. SEEMS FAIR TO BOTH SIDES. IS THAT SORT OF A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN INSIDE OF THE COURTROOM? >> I THINK IT'S VERY FAIR. I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST POINTS THAT PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING IS, THIS ENTIRE TRIAL IS BEING PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS OF MASSACHUSETTS. NEIL ENTWISLE HAS DECLARED HIMSELF INDIGENT, SO WE ARE PICKING UP THE TAB COMPLETELY. SO, THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT TRIAL TO MASSACHUSETTS. AN IMPORTANT TRIAL FOR THE TAXPAYERS. YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB AND LET'S HAVE JUSTICE BE DONE. AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING IT. >> HEY, JOE, LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION. BECAUSE I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON A POINT. AND A LOT OF VIEWERS MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS, WHY IT IS THAT YOU HAVE TWO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS HERE, ONE ESSENTIALLY FROM THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, THE OTHER PRIVATE, BUT BEING PALED FOR BY THE STATE. HOW DOES THAT WORK UP THERE? >> GOOD QUESTIONS. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DEFENDANT GETS A FAIR TRIAL. NOW, HE HAS TWO VERY CAPABLE ATTORNEYS. THEY'RE EXCELLENT. I'VE SEEN THEM BOTH IN ACTION. YOU KNOW, THEY DO GREAT WORK AND SO I DON'T THINK IN MY OPINION THAT THERE CAN BE ANY ARGUMENT THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE FAIR REPRESENTATION. AND THEN ON THE D.A.'S SIDE, THEY HAVE TWO, TWO ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEYS WORKING THE CASE. SO, ON THAT SIDE, THE WAY I SEE IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, AND THIS TRIAL IS NOW JUST BEGINNING. AND LET'S SEE WHERE IT GOES. >> YEAH, ALL RIGHT, WE SHARE YOUR OBSERVATIONS. GOOD LAWYERS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW THIS AS A REPORTER, I'VE SAID THIS, IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE ARE CONFIDENT IN THE PROCESS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO DISAGREE WITH VERDICTS. BUT IF THEY LOOK AT THE PROCESS, AND THEY SAY GOOD FAIR JUDGE, GOOD PROSECUTORS, GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEYS, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE PROCESS HERE AND I THINK YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE RIGHT ON. HEY, JOE, WE'RE DELIGHTED TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU. WE HOPE WE CAN GET YOU BACK TO CHAT WITH US AS THE TRIAL CONTINUES. WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU? >> OF COURSE, ANYTIME. THANK YOU. >> JOE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US. JOE IS THE SENIOR EXECUTIVE CITY EDITOR FOR ""THE BOSTON HERALD."" ONE OF THE GREAT REPORT ESUP THERE. WE'LL FIT IN A QUICK BREAK OF OUR OWN. WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO GET RESTARTED. AS WE DO, WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. AS ALWAYS WE ASK YOU TO LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME, THE 13th JUROR. THE QUESTION OF THE DAY IS -- 91% OF YOU ARE VOTING YES, IT DID. ONLY 9% OF YOU THINK THAT IT DID NOT. WE'LL UPDATE THE RESULTS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY. A LOT MORE COMING UP. DON'T GO AWAY. >>> SO, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR THE LAST 50 MINUTES AND, WELL, 51 MINUTES ACTUALLY, ABOUT THE MONSTER IN THE CLOSET. WHERE IS THIS MONSTER? WHERE IS THIS HORRIBLE KILLER WHO PUT A BULLET IN THE ABDOMEN OF HIS 9-MONTH-OLD BABY AND WIFE? IF IT, IN FACT, IS NEIL ENTWISLE WHO PERPETRATED THIS CRIME, WHERE IS HE? WHERE IS THIS CRAZED GUNMAN? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE HE'S SITTING IN THE COURTROOM. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE ANYBODY FITTING THAT DESCRIPTION WAS IN THAT MARRIAGE TO START WITH. JUST ASK THE WITNESSES, IN FACT, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE ATTORNEYS DID, EVEN UNDER CROSS-EXAMINATION. LISTEN TO HOW THE WITNESSES WHO KNEW THIS COUPLE DESCRIBE THEIR RELATIONSHIP. >> ALL RIGHT. AND SHE DID TELL YOU, THOUGH, THAT IN TERMS OF WANTING TO MOVE OUT AND GET THEIR OWN PLACE, THAT SHE WAS -- IT WAS HARD TO HAVE PRIVATE TIME IN THE CARVER HOUSE WITH NEIL, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR. >> OVERRULED. YOU MAY ANSWER. >> COULD YOU JUST SAY THE QUESTION AGAIN, PLEASE? >> SURE. THAT IT WAS HARD FOR RACHEL AND NEIL TO HAVE ALONE TIME IN THE HOUSE IN CARVER, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> SHE DID MENTION THAT THERE WAS -- >> I'M SORRY? >> IT WAS BUSY LIVING THERE. >> IT WAS BUSY. >> YES. >> AND IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO MAKE LOVE WITHOUT ANYONE HEARING IT, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> SHE HAD SAID THAT THINGS WEREN'T, UM, THE SAME. >> RIGHT. I MEAN, THEY OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE THE PRIVACY THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, THAT THEY HAD IN ENGLAND, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PRIVACY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IN THEIR OWN HOME IN HOPKINTON? >> PRESUMABLY, RIGHT. >> NORMAL TYPE OF COMMENTS IF YOU'RE LIVING WITH YOUR MOTHER, RIGHT? >> YEP. >> OKAY. AND SHE ALSO WANTED -- SHE FELT, JUST AFTER HAVING THE BABY, SHE FELT LIKE SHE REALLY WANTED TO GET BACK IN SHAPE, RIGHT? >> WE'D SPOKEN ABOUT RUNNING TOGETHER, YES. >> AND SHE WANTED TO LOSE THE BABY FAT, ALL NORMAL? RIGHT? >> YES, YES. >> AND AT THE SAME TIME SHE'S GOING TO PARENTING BABY CLASSES WHILE SHE WAS LIVING IN CARVER. >> UH-HUH. >> AND THAT, DO YOU KNOW -- WERE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? >> THERE WAS TALK OF CONTINUING THAT WHEN SHE WENT TO HOPKINTON. >> AND BOTH AND NEIL WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT FOR RACHEL SO SHE WOULD HAVE SUPPORT, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T KNOW. BUT I GUESS. >> I TAKE IT THAT YOU SPENT YOUR -- YOU WERE BETTER FRIENDS WITH RACHEL OBVIOUSLY THAN THEY WERE WITH FLEEL. >> CORRECT. >> AND YOU'D KNOWN RACHEL A LOT LONGER. >> YES. >> AND NEIL WAS A PRETTY QUIET, SORT OF RESERVED GUY. >> AT TIMES, YES. >> OKAY. NOW, WHEN YOU HAD -- I'M SORRY. YOU SPOKE WITH THE POLICE A NUMBER OF TIMES AFTER -- AFTER JANUARY 20th, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND BOTH THE HOPKINTON AND THE STATE POLICE ASKED YOU IN FEBRUARY WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNEW ANYBODY WHO WOULD HURT RACHEL OR NEIL OR LILLY, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> RIGHT. >> AND IF I TOLD YOU IT WAS FEBRUARY 18th, WOULD THAT SOUND LIKE IT WAS THE RIGHT DATE? >> SURE, YES. >> FINALLY, MA'AM, RACHEL NEVER COMPLAINED TO YOU ABOUT NEIL IN ANY WAY, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> OBJECTION. >> THE WITNESS MAY ANSWER. >> TYPICAL MARRIAGE THINGS. >> SHE NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OR ABOUT MONEY, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> NO, SHE DIDN'T. >> AND AS YOU'VE TOLD US -- WHAT WERE THE NICKNAMES THAT THEY HAD FOR EACH OTHER? YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN THE PROSECUTOR WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP. >> SHE CALLED HIM HONEY AND DEAR. >> AND NEIL WOULD CALL HER? >> I THINK SHE USED THE SAME. >> AND THAT THEY ALWAYS HAD -- THEY WERE SMILING WITH EACH OTHER, SMILING WITH THE BABY? >> CORRECT. >> IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT BOTH NEIL AND RACHEL LOVED EACH OTHER, VERY, VERY MUCH? >> YES. >> I'M SORRY? >> YES. >> AND BOTH NEIL AND RACHEL LOVED LILLY VERY, VERY MUCH. >> YES. >> SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD COUPLE. SOUNDS LIKE THE ALL-AMERICAN/AMERICAN-BRITISH COUPLE. DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A -- I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A MULTIPLE KILLER AND YET ALL THESE FACTS ARE JUST LINED UP AGAINST THEM. SO BAD, IN FACT, THAT HIS ATTORNEY CAME UP WITH A LOT OF THIS. THESE ARE THE MOTIONS TO EXCLUDE SOME OF THOSE FACTS AND THAT EVIDENCE FROM THE MYSTERY. I WANTED TO ASK ROB GOLIBOIS SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. WE TALKED, BETH AND I, ABOUT SOME OF THE DEFENSE MOTIONS TO EXCLUDE INFORMATION. THOSE MOTIONS IN IMIN LIMINE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE MOTIONS IN LIMINE TO INCLUDE CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT. I ALWAYS THOUGHT MOTIONS IN LIMINE WERE TO EXCLUDE STUFF. IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE COMMONWEALTH THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT THE MOTIONS TOGETHER TO GET THEM INTRODUCED? >> SOMETIMES THEY'LL DO IT TO GET THEM INTRODUCED. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE PATH TO GET CERTAIN EVIDENCE THAT THE JUDGE WILL EXCLUDE BUT PERHAPS THE DOOR MIGHT HAVE BEEN OPENED UP DURING THE TRIAL AND THEREFORE IT RAISES A POTENTIAL APPELLATE ISSUE SHOULD THERE BE A CONVICTION. OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THE PROSECUTION MIGHT FILE CERTAIN MOTIONS IN LIMINE TO GET THE JUDGE'S RULING BEFORE THEY TRY TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY. >> LET ME ASK BETH KARAS THIS NEXT QUESTION, THEN, BECAUSE I KNOW SHE'S GOT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT INCLUDE WHAT THE STATE WANTS TO MAKE SURE, GETS IN FRONT OF THE JURY'S EYES, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THEM ALREADY, BUT ONE OF THEM I DIDN'T KNOW, AND THAT WAS THAT SOME OF THE ESCORT SEARCHES ON THE INTERNET ACTUALLY HAPPENED BETWEEN THE DATES OF JANUARY 16th THROUGH JANUARY 19th? SERIOUSLY? JANUARY 16th THROUGH JANUARY 19th, MEANING, THE VERY LATEST SEARCH FOR ESCORTS ALLEGEDLY PERFORMED ON THE COMPUTER BY NEIL ENTWISLE WOULD HAVE HAPPENED THE DAY BEFORE HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER WERE KILLED. AM I WRONG HERE? >> Reporter: YOU ARE NOT WRONG. YOU ARE CORRECT. AND HE BOUGHT 80 OR $88 WORTH OF SCENTED CANDLES, LIKE FOUR BIG PILLAR CANDLES, THE NIGHT BEFORE THE KILLINGS AS WELL. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THAT'S FOR. >> DOES NIBBLE KNOW WHERE THE CANDLES ARE? ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THEIR WAY INTO COURT? >> Reporter: I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OR THE PURPOSE EITHER. IF HE WAS PLANNING A SEXUAL LEE DONE WITH THE ESCORT. SHE HAD MAPQUESTED SOME OF THESE PLACES. >> SOMETHING STOOD OUT TO ME AS WELL, JOOK AND I HAVE CONVERSATIONS OFF-CAMERA, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HEAR. WHAT IS IT THAT ELLIOT WEINSTEIN ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN IS GOING TO SAY IN DEFENSE OF THIS MAN? HOW IS HE GOING TO KNOCK DOWN THIS TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE AGAINST HIS CLIENT, AND I KEEP WONDERING IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAR SOME CRAZY STORY ABOUT A BUSINESS DEAL THAT HAD GONE BAD, MOB CONNECTIONS, THREATS THAT WERE MADE TO NEIL ENTWISLE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME AND GET YOUR FAMILY AND FRAME YOU FOR IT. WHICH WOULD SORT OF GIVE SOME LEGITIMACY OR CREDENCE TO HIS STORY THAT HE FREAKED OUT UPON SEEING THE DEAD BODIES OF HIS FAMILY AND TOOK OFF TO ENGLAND, AND THEN I CAME ACROSS THIS STATEMENT WHERE HE TELLS POLICE, I HAD NO ENEMIES. I DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FROM BUSINESS DEALINGS. VERY FEW PEOPLE KNEW WHERE I LIVED. AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN ONE OF THE MOTIONS IN LIMINE THAT THE STATE WANTS TO MAKE SURE, THE COMMONWEALTH WANTS TO MAKE SURE GETS IN FRONT OF THE JURY, BETH. >> Reporter: YES, THAT'S RIGHT. HE DID ALLEGEDLY MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS, NOT KNOWING WHO WOULD HAVE A MOTIVE TO KILL HIS WIFE AND HIS DAUGHTER. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME eBAY CUSTOMERS WHO WERE UNHAPPY WITH HIM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS, BUT IT'S NOT REAL SECRET THAT eBAY STARTED GETTING SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT HIM THAT HE GOT SHUT DOWN AND SHUT OUT. HE WAS SELLING APPARENTLY SOME SORT OF SOFTWARE PROGRAM, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR PEOPLE TO START SOME OF THEIR OWN ADULT PORN ONLINE SHOPPING BUSINESS OR SOMETHING, BUT THINGS WERE GOING WELL. HE DID HAVE SOME INCOME. HIS LAWYERS WERE NOT UP THERE EVERY MORNING, BUT I HAVE BEEN UP THERE SOME MORNINGS. THEY BRING HIM HIS CLOTHES. SO HE CHANGES HERE BACK INTO PRISON GARB, BUT HE'S NEVER IN THE COURTROOM IN ANYTHING BUT A SUIT AND HE'S NOT SHACKLED. >> SEVERAL WE ARE JUST SEVERAL MINUTES AWAY FROM GETTING HIS TESTIMONY BACK UNDERWAY AND WE'RE BASICALLY GETTING NOT A GREAT VIEW OF MR. EVENT WHISTLE, KIND OF THE BACK OF HIS HEAD THAT IS NOT OUR FAULT, THIS IS THE COM PRY ANSWER THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE WITH THE JUDGE, THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS SO WHAT KIND OF CAMERA SHOTS QUESTION HAVE AND THAT'S ONE OF THEM. IN THE MEAN TIME, SQUEEZE IN A QUICK BREAK. MAKE SURE ON COME ON BACK. >>> WELCOME BACK. >> WE ARE BACK UNDER WAY INSIDE THAT COURTROOM IN MASSACHUSETTS. AND SOME OF THE GOOD TESTIMONY IS ABOUT TO COME OUR WAY. >> A NEW WITNESS ON THE STAND LITERALLY JUST SWORN IN A MOMENT AGO GO. JOANNA GATELY, ONE OF THE GOOD FRIENDS. JUST SAID A FEW MOMENTS AGO GO THEY MET AT COLLEGE AND SHE AND HER SISTER ACTUALLY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DINNER AT THE ENTWISTLE'S HOME ON THE SATURDAY. REMEMBER THE PROSECUTORS SAY THAT SHE WAS KILLED FRIDAY MORNING. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THERE SATURDAY AND IT WAS THE FAILURE OF ANYBODY TO ANSWER THAT GENERATED A GRATE GREAT DEAL OF THE SUSPICION AS TO WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THEM AND SHE'S JUST STARTED HER TESTIMONY. LET'S LISTEN. >> DID YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE A FRIENDSHIP WITH HER? >> YES. >> AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE AT THAT POINT WHAT YOUR FRIENDSHIP WAS LIKE? >> I SPENT MOST OF MY FREE TIME WITH HER. SHE WAS VERY MOTHERING TOWARDS ME, KIND OF TOOK CARE OF ME. I WOULD GO TO HER ROOM EVERY AFTERNOON FOR A NAP BETWEEN STUDIES AND SHE'D MAKE ME TEA, LET ME CRAWL UP ON HER BED. >> AFTER YOUR TIME AT HOLY CROSS, DID YOU REMAIN IN TOUCH AND REMAIN FRIENDS? >> I LEFT. I WENT OUT TO THE WEST COAST WHEN SHE WENT TO ENGLAND, AND DIDN'T HAVE ANYWAY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HER ONCE SHE WAS GONE. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE SHE WAS AND SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS. SO FOR ABOUT A YEAR, WE WERE OUT OF TOUCH. BUT WE EXPECTED THAT. >> AND YOUR REASON FOR BEING ON THE WEST COAST? >> AFTER COLLEGE, I JOINED THE JEZ UHE IT VOLUNTEER CORP. I WAS WORKING WITH ADULTS WITH DISANDS IN SPOKANE, WASHINGTON. >> AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU TO KEEP THE VOICE UP AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE, MA'AM. >> AFTER THAT YEAR OUT IN THE WEST COAST, DID YOU RETURN BACK TO MASSACHUSETTS? >> I SPENT TWO YEARS. >> TWO. I'M SORRY. AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME, DID YOU RETURN? >>DY. >> WERE YOU OUT OF TOUCH WITH RACHEL DURING THAT ENTIRE TWO YEAR PERIOD IS THIS. >> NO SHE GOT IN TOUCH WITH ME THE SECOND YEAR WHILE SHE WAS PLANNING HER WEDDING. >> AND FAIR TO SAY YOUR FRIENDSHIP RECONNECTED? >> YES. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO ATTEND HER WE HADDING IN AUGUST OF 2003? >> I WASN'T. MY RETURN TRIP FROM SPOKANE TO BOSTON WAS A CROSS-COUNTRY TRIP THAT I HAD BEEN PLANNING FOR A LENGTH OF TIME AND IT WAS AT THE TIME OF HER WEDDING. >> WAS IT AFTER THE WEDDING THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RETURNED TO MASSACHUSETTS? >> YES P. >> AND WHERE WAS RACHEL AT THAT TIME? >> BY THE TIME I RETURNED, I BELIEVE SHE WOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO ENGLAND. >> DID YOU REMAIN FRIENDS FOR THAT -- THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN 2003 OR 2004? >> 2003. >> DID YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE A FRIENDSHIP WITH HER? >>DY. >>nd DID YOU STAY IN TOUCH WITH HER THROUGH 2003 INTO 2004 AND 2005? >> YES. >> HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER? >> WE COMMUNICATED THROUGH E-MAIL. SHE WOULD WRITE LETTERS. WRELD WRITE LETTERS, SEND PACKAGES. SHE KNEW WHAT KIND OF CANDY I LIKED FROM ENGLAND, SHE WOULD SEND IT TO ME. >> WOULD YOU FROM TIME TO TIME VISIT WITH EACH OTHER? >> I DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO ENGLAND UNTIL 2005. >> WHAT ABOUT RACHEL, DID SHE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME HOME AT ALL DURING THAT 2003 TO 2005 PERIOD? >> SHE CAME HOME IN THE SUMMER OF 2004. >> AND DID YOU SEE HER THEN, DID YOU GET TOGETHER? >> I DID. I SPENT -- >> SPENT SOME TIME TOGETHER? >> I SPENT ABOUT A WEEK WITH HER AT THAT TIME. >> NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT IN 2005, YOU WENT TO ENGLAND. WHO DID YOU GO WITH? >> I WENT WITH PRISCILLA. >> FOR WHAT REASON? >> LILLIAN HAD JUST BEEN BORN. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND OVER THERE? >> I6S THERE FOR A WEEK. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO MEET HER HUSBAND AT THAT POINT OR AT SOME PREVIOUS POINT. >> >> I HAD MET HIM IN THE SUMMER THAT SHE HAD COME HOME IN 2004. >> AND YOU LEARNED HIS NAME TO BE WHAT, MA'AM? >> NEIL ENTWISTLE. >> FOLLOWING YOUR TRIP IN 2005, YOU RUSHED TO MASSACHUSETTS. >> >> YES. >> DID YOU REMAIN IN TOUCH WITH RACHEL? >> YES P. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO AUGUST OF 2005. DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE RACHEL EVENT WHIS SNEL. >> YES. >> AND WHEN WAS THAT? >> ABOUT A WEEK AFTER SHE HAD RETURNED TO THE U.S. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER THE DATE OR APPROXIMATE DATE THAT YOU SAW HER? >> ABOUT MID AUGUST, SHE HAD RETURNED PREVIOUSLY. >> WHERE DID SHE MOVE TO WHEN SHE RETURNED? >> SHE WAS WITH HER MOTHER IN CARVER. >> AND WHERE WERE YOU LIVING AT THE TIME? >> I WAS IN CAMBRIDGE. SHE WAS DOWN THE STREET FROM MY MOTHER, SO I DID SPEND WEEKENDS DOWN THERE. >> AND, AGAIN. . >> SPENT WEEKENDS DOWN THERE. I'M SORRY. >> REMEMBER, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP YOUR VOICE UP, PLEASE. >> OKAY. >> DID YOU RESUME YOUR FRIENDSHIP? >> WE DID. >> AND FROM AUGUST OF 2005 TO JANUARY OF 2006, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE RACHEL ON ONE OR MORE TIMES? >> I WAS AT HER HOUSE EVERY WEEKEND BASICALLY SOMETIMES STAYING OVERNIGHT AND ATE DINNER WITH THE FAMILY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. >> AND WHICH WAS WAS THIS IN. >> THE HOUSE IN CARVER, MASSACHUSETTS. >> AND WHAT ABOUT RACHEL, WOULD SHE COME AND VISIT YOU OR DID YOU SEE HER SOCIALLY ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME? >> WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME IN THE CARVER AREA. >> AND WHAT ABOUT OTHER FRIENDS, WERE THERE OTHER FRIENDS THAT YOU WOULD ASSOCIATE WITH WITH RACHEL? >> YES. MY COLLEGE ROOMMATE CAN CAME TO VISIT THAT SUMMER. >> AND HER NAME? >> SEGUSTA. >> AT THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT WITH RACHEL, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEND TIME, ALSO, WITH LILLY AND THE DEFENDANT? >> YES. >> DID YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM OVER THE FALL OF 2005? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT RELATIONSHIP? >> A VERY LOVING RELATIONSHIP. A NEW FAMILY WITH A BABY. THEY SEEMED VERY HAPPY AND EXCITED. IT WAS JUST A TRANSITION TIME FOR THEM. >> DOVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOME TIME WITH HER LATER INTO THE FALL GOING INTO DECEMBER AND JANUARY? >> YES. >> AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID YOU LEARN THAT RACHEL AND THE DEFENDANT WERE RELOCATING? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU LEARN THAT THEY WERE MOVING TO? >> HOP KING TON. >> AND DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEAK TO OR COMMUNICATE WITH RACHEL ABOUT VISITING THE HOF KING TON HOME? >> YES. >> AND WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU VISITED THEIR HOME? >> I WENT WITH THEM WHEN THEY SIGNED THE LEASE ON THE HOUSE IN EARLY JANUARY. >> EARLY JANUARY? >> YES P. >> THAT WOULD BE 2006? >> YES. >> AND, AGAIN, JUST KEEP YOUR VOICE UP SO WE CAN RECORD THIS ALL. >> OKAY. >> WHERE DID YOU GO WITH THEM TO SIGN THE LEASE? >> TO THE HOUSE. >> AND WHO WAS THERE? >> IT WAS MYSELF AND RACHEL AND NEIL AND THE REAL ESTATE AGENT AND HER DAUGHTER. >> DOVE AN OCCASION TO GO TO THE HOUSE AFTER THAT? >> YES. >> DID YOU ASSIST IN THE MOVING IN PROCESS OTHER THAN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO? >> I DID. >> AND TELL US WHEN YOU IT THAT. >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SATURDAY, I BELIEVE. I BELIEVE ABOUT THE 7th OR 8th OF JANUARY. >> SO THAT FIRST FULL WEEK SNEPD. >> YES. >> AND WHO ELSE WAS ASSISTING IN THAT PROCESS? >> JOE AND HIS SON AN THOTH ANY, AND NEIL AND MYSELF AND RACHEL AND RACHEL'S HIGH SCHOOL FRIEND CAME LATER IN THE KAY THAT DAY, MICHELLE. AND HER BOYFRIEND. I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME. >> YOU DON'T KNOW HIS NAME? >> I THINK IT'S MIKE. >> WAS THAT A DAY AFFAIR OR DID IT LAST OVER. . WAS THAT PROCESS OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY OR A COUPLE DAYS? >> IT WAS THE DAY. >> YOU Z AED IN THE COURSE OF THAT DAY? >> YES P. >> AND FOLLOWING THAT, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEAK WITH RACHEL? >> FOLLOWING THAT DAY? >> YES P. >> YES. OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEAK TO HER ON ONE OR MORE OCCASIONS? >> BY PHONE ONLY. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION IF COULD I TO THE WEEK OF THE 16th OF JANUARY 2006. DO YOU RECALL SPEAKING WITH RACHEL ON ONE OR MORE TIMES THAT WEEK? >> YES. SHE SENT ME A FEW TEXT MESSAGES. >> DON'T GET INTO THE SUBSTANCE OF IT, BUT DID YOU EXCHANGE TEXT MESSAGES WITH HER? >> YES. >> WHAT ABOUT SEEING HER IN PERSON THAT WEEK, DID YOU SEAR HER? >> NO I DID NOT. >> AND WHAT ABOUT SPEAKING BY TELEPHONE? >> I SPOKE WITH HER ON THURSDAY NIGHT, THE 19th. >> AND DID YOU CALL -- >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE IN SESSION AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT JOANNA GATELY WHO ALONG WITH HER SISTER, WAS INVITED TO DINNER AT THE ENTWISTLE HOUSE ON JANUARY 21st, SATURDAY NIGHT. SHE GOT NO ANSWER AND NOTICED NO LIGHTS WERE ON. SHE'S DESCRIBING WHAT HAPPENED NECK. NEIL WAS ALREADY ON A FLIGHT TO ENGLAND. LET'S LISTEN. >> MA'AM, IF YOU COULD STEP DOWN TO THE POINTER RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP YOUR VOICE WAY UP WHEN YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE, BUT FIRST IF YOU COULD POINT TO THE AREA WHERE YOU PARKED YOUR CAR IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH. >> I BELIEVE THAT IS MY CAR. >> SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH IS A CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY NEXT TO THE GARAGE, THAT'S YOUR CAR, YOU BELIEVE? >> YES. >> AND TRACE WITH THE POINTER THE ROUTE THAT THE WALKWAY GOES FROM THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THE FRONT DOOR. SO PRETTY MUCH ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? AND NEXT POINT TO THE FRONT DOOR WHICH YOU KNOCKED ON. AND WAS IT THAT FOYER ON THE INSIDE WHERE YOU SAID YOU SAW A LIGHT ON? >> YES. >> AND THE OTHER AREA THAT YOU SAW THE LIGHT ON, CAN YOU POINT? THE UP STAIR, THAT BEDROOM? DO YOU RECALL WHICH WINDOW YOU COULD SEE THE LIGHT ON, THROUGH ONE OR BOTH? >> I COULDN'T HEAR THE WITNESS. >> BOTH. >> FOR THE RECORD, YOUR HONOR, THE WITNESS WAS POINTING TO THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE UPPER STORY LEFT SIDE AS YOU'RE VIEW WILLINGING THE PICTURE FROM THE FRONT. >> THANK YOU. >> MA'AM, AFTER GETTING NO ANSWER AT THE FRONT DOOR, KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND RINGING THE DOOR WELL, WHAT DID YOU AND YOUR SISTER DO NEXT? >> BY THAT NIGHT, I HAD FOUND THE NOTE AND WHEN WE TRIED TO GROSS THE OPEN DOOR TO KNOCK ON THE INSIDE DOOR. >> WHERE DID YOU FIND A NOTE? >> IT WAS IN THE HANDLE OF THE GLASS DOOR. >> AND DID YOU RECOGNIZE THE HANDLE WRITING? >> YES. >> WHOSE HANDWRITING WAS IT? >> IT WAS PRISCILLA. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WE WALKED BACK TO THE CAR AND CALLED PRISCILLA. >> I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER. >> MY SISTER AND I WALKED BACK TO OUR CAR AND I CALLED PRISCILLA. >> PERHAPS IF THE MICROPHONE IS MOVED TO THE SIDE AND THE OTHER ONE IS PUT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE WITNESS. >> YOU AND YOUR SISTER GOT BACK TO THE CAR? >> YES. >> AND A PHONE CALL WAS MADE. >> YES. >> WHO MADE THE PHONE CALL? >>DY. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO GET THROUGH TO PRISCILLA? >> YES. >> DID YOU SPEAK WITH HER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES. SGLND AND AS A RESULT OF THAT PHONE CALL, DID DO YOU SOMETHING ELSE, DID YOU REMAIN IN YOUR CAR, DID YOU GO ELSEWHERE? >> AT THAT TIME, WE DECIDED JUST TO WAIT TO SEE IF THEY WERE PERHAPS OUT AND WOULD COME HOME. SO MY SISTER AND I STAYED. WE DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY UP TO THAT POINT, MA'AM, TO GO ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY OUTSIDE? >> WE DID AFTER SPEAKING WITH PRISCILLA TRY TO GET INTO THE HOUSE, LOOK INTO THE HOUSE, SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING INSIDE. >> SO YOU DIDN'T DRIVE OFF, BUT YOU WAITED BEFORE YOU DID SOMETHING ELSE. OTHER THAN GO ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY, YOU DIDN'T LEAVE THE PROPERTY? >> NO. NO. >> TELL US WHERE YOU WENT ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE FRONT OF HOUSE ATTEMPTING TO GET IN. >> WE CIRCLED THE HOUSE, LOOKED INSIDE THE SLIDER DROOR, TRIED TO OEPT SLIDER DOOR AND THE BASEMENT DOOR AND COULDN'T GET IN. >> LET ME STOP YOU WHERE THERE. WHERE DID YOU GO FIRST? YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AND MATT PHONE CALL. FROM YOUR CAR, WHAT PORTION OF THE HOUSE DID YOU GO TO FIRST? >> TO THE BACK. >> WHICH WAY DID YOU GO, THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OR AROUND THE OTHER SIDE? >> THE DRIVEWAY SIDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GARAGE, WE WENT TO THE RIGHT. >> AND WHERE DID YOU GO? >> MY SISTER AND I WENT. . I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE TOGETHER THE WHOLE TIME PI WENT TO THE SLIDER AND LOOKED INSIDE. >> AND WHERE WAS MAUREEN? >> BEHIND ME SOMEWHERE, SO I DID NOT SEE HER. >> DID YOU DO SOMETHING AT THE SLIDER? >> TRIED TO EP THE DOOR. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO OPEN IT? >> NO P.M. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE INSIDE THE SLIDER? >> EVERYTHING WAS DARK. THERE WERE NO LIGHTS AS FAR AS COULD I SEE. >> AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DID YOU SEE MAUREEN AGAIN? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU SEE HER? >> FURTHER ON AROUND THE HOUSE, I BELIEVE. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PORCH AND STAIRS IN BACK? >> YES. >> DID YOU CHECKUP THERE AT ALL? >> YES. >> AND WERE YOU ABLE TO GET IN THROUGH THAT DOOR? >> NO P. >> WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER CHECKING THAT PORCH AREA, THE SLIDER AREA? >> AROUND TO THE FAR SIDE OF THE HOUSE. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU WERE OVER THERE? >> JUST TRIED TO LOOK IN WINDOWS. WE HAD NOTICED A LIGHT IN THE FRONT LIVING ROOM. WE WERE TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT WAS. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE IN? >> NO. >> WHAT DID DO YOU NEXT? >> WENT AROUND TO THE FRONT. >> AND DID YOU THEN RETURN TO YOUR CAR OR DID YOU STAY OUT FRONT? >> NO, THERE WAS AN ELECTRICAL BOX OF SOME SORT HIDDEN IN THE TREES IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. >> AND DID DO YOU SOMETHING OR MAUREEN DO SOMETHING WITH THAT? >> I CLIMBED ON TOP OF IT TO SEE IF I COULD SEE INSIDE. >> AND WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE INSIDE? >> THE BEDROOM BLINDS WERE OPEN, SO I COULD SEE IN BUT COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING MORE THAN CEILING AND WALLS. >> SO YOU WERE TRYING TO GET TO SEE UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> YES. >> AND WHAT ABOUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, COULD YOU SEE IN ANY OF THOSE WINDOWS? >> JUST WHAT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE IN THE FOYER. >> THROUGH THE FRONT FOYER AND THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR? >> YES. >> WHAT DID DO YOU NEXT? >> WE MAY HAVE CIRCLED THE HOUSE AGAIN. EVENTUALLY WENT BACK TO THE CAR. >> DID YOU WAIT THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> I BELIEVE I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH POLICE A LA OFF AND ON WAITING JUST TO PASS TIME. >> SO YOU PLACED OTHER PHONE CALLS TO PRISCILLA? >> I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH PRISCILLA MOST OF THE NIGHT. >> AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, DID SOMEBODY ELSE ARRIVE AT SIX CUBS PATH? >> AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, PRISCILLA DECIDED TO CALL THE POLICE. >> YOU SPOKE TO POLICE SILL LARKS YOU WAITED A PERIOD TIME. YOU DID THOSE THINGS THAT DID YOU. AND THEN SOMEBODY ARRIVED. >> YES. >> WHO ARRIVED? >> THE POLICE. >> YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP YOUR VOICE UP AGAIN, MA'AM. >> WHAT TIME DO YOU RECALL THE POLICE ARRIVING THERE? >> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 8:30. >> AND WAS IT A MARKED CRUISER, AN UNMARKED CRUISE SNER. >> IT WAS A MARKED CRUISER. >> WHERE DID IF GO DRKS IT PARK UP FRONT OR IN THE DRIVEWAY? >> AT THE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY. >> WHAT DID DO YOU WHEN YOU SAW THAT CRUISER ARRIVE? >> I GOT OUT OF THE CAR. >> WHERE DID YOU GO, IF ANYWHERE? >> WELL, I BELIEVE WE WALKED TOWARDS THE FRONT DOOR AND MET HALFWAY. >> ONE OFFICER OR MORE THAN ONE OFFICER AT THIS POINT IN TIME? >> ONE OF THE OFFICERS APPROACHED US. THERE WERE TWO BEFORE. >> DID THEY COME IN SEPARATE CRUISERS, TOGETHER, IF YOU KNOW? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> DID YOU SPEAK OR HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE OFFICERS? >> I SPOKE WITH SERGEANT SUTTON. >> FAIR TO SAY YOU PROVIDED HIM WITH SOME INFORMATION? >> YES. >> DID HE ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS? NOT WHAT HE ASKED, BUT YOU HAD CONVERSATION WITH HIM? >> YES. >> AND AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID THE POLICE OFFICERS DO? >> HE WALKED WITH US UP TO THE FRONT DOOR. >> WHEN YOU SAY WE, YOU AND MAUREEN? >> MY SISTER AND I. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? >> THE OTHER OFFICER HAD -- THERE WAS ANOTHER OFFICER PRESENT HAD CIRCLED THE HOUSE AND MET US AND WE EXPLAINED TO HIM THAT WE HAD BEEN TRYING TO, AGAIN, SEE IF ANYTHING WAS WRONG INSIDE. >> DID YOU THEN OBSERVE THE POLICE DO SOMETHING? >> WE SAID THAT WE HAD TRIED TO USE A CREDIT CARD, SO SERGEANT SUTTON DID SAY TO US THAT -- >> YOU HAD CONVERSATION WITH HIM. YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM. DID YOU THEN OBSERVE THE TWO OFFICERS DO SOMETHING? >> SERGEANT SUTTON TRIED ONE OF HIS CREDIT CARDS TO OEPT DOOR. >> WAS HE ABLE TO OPEN THE DOOR? >> NO. HE ASKED THE OTHER OFFICER IF HE HAD SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK. >> AND DID THE OFFICER HAVE SOMETHING? >> DID HE. HE HAD A BLOCK BUSSER CARD. >> AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> HE USED THE BLOCKBUSTER CARD TO OPEN THE DOOR. >> AND THIS WAS THE FRONT DOOR? >> YES. >> WHERE DID THE OFFICERS GO? >> SERGEANT SUTTON WENT UP STAIR, THE OTHER OFFICER OPENED THE DOOR GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE GARAGE. >> WHERE WERE YOU AND MAUREEN? >> WE WERE STANDING ON THE LAWN MACHINE. >> SO YOU WERE OUTSIDE. >> YES. >> WAS THE FRONT DOOR, THE GLASS DOOR, WAS THAT OPEN OR CLOSED? >> THE GLASS DOOR WAS CLOSED. THE RED DOOR WAS OPEN. >> DID YOU LOSE SIGHT FOR A FEW MOMENTS OF SERGEANT SUTTON AND THE OTHER OFFICER? >> I DID. >> HOW LONG WAS IT BEFORE YOU SAW THEM AGAIN? >> PROBABLY JUST A FEW MOMENTS. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? >> SERGEANT SUTTON MET THE OTHER OFFICER AT THE DOOR TO THE BASEMENT. >> COULD YOU SEE IF THEY WERE HAVING CONVERSATION? >> THEY WERE. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> DID YOU REMAIN OUTSIDE? >> YES. >> WHAT DID YOU SEE THE OFFICERS DO NEXT? >> THEY CAME OUTSIDE. >> DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THEM? >> YES. >> AND AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, DID YOU GO SOMEPLACE? >> YOU SPOKE TO THEM. >> YES. THEY TOLD US AT THAT TIME THAT. . >> YOU SPOKE TO THEM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT? AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID DO YOU? >> I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME I ASKED IF I COULD BRING SALLY, THE DOG, THE BASSET HOUND TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. >> AND WHAT DID THE OFFICERS ALLOW YOU TO DO? >> THEY ALLOWED ME TO GO INSIDE TO GET THE DOS H. DOG. >> DID YOU ENTER THE HOME? >>DY. >> WHAT ABOUT MAUREEN? >> SHE STAYED OUTSIDE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE OFFICERS? >> THEY WENT INSIDE AND WERE STANDING AGAIN BY THE DOOR TO THE GARAGE. >> DESCRIBE THE ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK AS YOU WENT IN THE HOUSE. >> I DIDN'T KNOW YET WHERE THEY HAD PUT SALLY, SO I WAS FOLLOWING THE SOUND. I WALKED STRAIGHT INTO THE KITCHEN AND THEN TOOK A RIGHT TOWARD THE LIVING ROOM. SHE WAS IN THE FAMILY ROOM IN THE BACK CORNER BY THE FIREPLACE. >> AND WHERE WAS SHE IN PARTICULAR? WAS SHE JUST SITTING THERE, WAS SHE IN SOMETHING? >> SHE WAS IN A CRATE. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I WAS GOING TO TAKE HER OUT, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A LEASH. >> WERE THE OFFICERS STILL WITH YOU ON THE FIRST FLUR? >> YES, THEY WERE STANDING BY THE GARAGE DOOR. >> BY THE DOOR GOING DOWNSTAIRS TO THE GARAGE. SORRY MACHINE. >> THE DOOR THAT GOES DOWN TO THE BASEMENT. IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBE SOMETHING. >> YES. >> IN THE FOYER AREA? >> YES. >> YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A LEASH. WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND ONE IS THIS. >> ONE OF THE OFFICERS FOUND IT FOR ME. >> WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I WENT IN AND LEASHED SALLY AND BROUGHT HER OUTSIDE. >> HOW LONG DID YOU SPEND OUTSIDE WITH SALLY? >> A FEW MINUTES. I THINK I WALKED WITH HER AROUND THE FRONT YARD. >> AND THE OFFICER, WHERE WERE THEY WHILE YOU WERE OUTSIDE WITH SALLY? >> I BELIEVE THEY WERE STANDING ON THE FRONT STEPS. >> WHAT ABOUT MAUREEN, WHERE WAS SHE? >> WITH THEM. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? >> I BROUGHT SALLY BACK IN AND PUT HER BACK IN CRATE. >> DID YOU GO ALONE OR DID YOU GO WITH THE OFFICERS? >> THE OFFICERS. >> AND WHEN YOU ENTERED -- >>> ON THE WITNESS STAND, A CLOSE FRIEND OF RACHEL, SHE'S DESCRIBED HOW SHE AND HER SISTER GOT THERE ON SATURDAY NIGHT EXPECT TO GO HAVE DINNER. POLICE WERE CALLED AND THIS WAS THE TIME WHEN NOBODY FOUND THE BODIES UP UNDER THE COVERS IN THE BED IN THE MASTER BEDROOM. SHE'S NOW TALK ABOUT HAVING LEFT AT LEAST AFTER SHE TOOK THE DOG OUT FOR A WALK AND WHAT SHE AND HER SISTER DID AS A CONSEQUENCE OF ALL THIS. >> DID YOU CALL HER OR DID SHE CALL YOU? >> WE WERE CALLING EACH OTHER THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. >> SO DURING THAT TIME THAT YOU WERE ALL OUTSIDE AFTER GOING IN THE HOUSE, YOU SPOKE SO THE PHONE WITH HER? >> YES. >> AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WAS THAT PHONE PASSED TO THE POLICE? >> YES. >> WHICH OFFICER SPOKE ON THAT TELEPHONE? >> SERGEANT SUTTON. >> AFTER HE HAD AN OCCASION ON SPEAK ON THAT TELEPHONE, WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, MA'AM? >> I JUST ASKED A FEW MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY LEFT. >> AND THEY EVENTUALLY LEFT? >> YES. >> BOTH OFFICERS? >> YES. >> WHAT DID YOU AND YOUR SISTER DO AT THAT POINT IN TIME? >> WE RETURNED TO THE CAR. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO? >> WE EVENTUALLY LEFT. I HAD TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, SO WE DECIDED TO GO AND FIND A DUNKIN DONUTS ABOUT SGLP DID YOU FIND A DUNKIN DONUTS? >> WE DID. >> ABOUT WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE FOLLOWING THE LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE POLICE AND WHEN THEY LEFT THE AREA? >> IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN PAST 9:00. >> HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO YOU GET TO DUNKIN DONUTS, THE ONE THAT YOU FOUND? >> MAYBE TEN MINUTES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER GOING TO THE DUNKIN DONUTS? >> BACK TO THE HOUSE. >> WHEN YOU SAY THE HOUSE, BOTH YOU AND MAUREEN? >> YES. >> WHAT DID DO YOU WHEN YOU GOT BACK THERE? >> WE STAYED THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. WE STAYED FOR A A FEW HOURS. >> WHERE DID YOU PARK THE SECOND TIME THAT YOU GOT BACK? >> WE PARKED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IN THE SAME PLACE. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE NEXT COUPLE HOURS? >> MY SISTER SLEPT IN THE BACK SEAT. I SAT UP WATCHING. >> WHAT WERE YOU WATCHING? >> WAITING FOR THE CAR TO PULL IN THE DRIVEWAY. >> AND WHOSE CAR WAS THAT? >> THE WHITE BMV. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR CAR LOOKED LIKE? >> GENTLEMEN. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE INTO THE GARAGE AT ALL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CAR WAS THERE. >> >> NO P. >> DID YOU SEE THE CAR PULL UP AND ARRIVE AT ALL? >> NO P. >> ANYBODY ELSE ARRIVE AT THAT LOCATION? >> NO. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PHONE CONVERSATIONS THAT NIGHT? >> I SPOKE WITH PRISCILLA UNTIL PROBABLY ABOUT 10:00 THAT NIGHT. >> ONE CONVERSATION OR A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS? >> IT COULD HAVE BEEN A COUPLE. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT FOR THE BALANCE OF THE NIGHT, MA'AM? >> AROUND 2:00 A.M., I HAD TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AGAIN, SO WE DROVE TO A GAS STATION DOWN THE STREET. >> AND WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND ONE OPEN? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER THAT, MA'AM? >> BACK TO THE HOUSE. >> AND WHAT TIME DID YOU GET BACK TO THIS THIRD OCCASION? >> PROBABLY ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATER. >> WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE BALANCE OF THE EVENING OR THE EARLY MORNING HOURS? >> SLEPT OFF AND ON UNTIL ABOUT 6:00 A.M. >> AND WHERE WERE YOU PARKED THIS TIME? >> IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IN THE SAME EXACT PLACE. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DID YOU WAKE UP THAT MORNING? >> YES. >> ABOUT WHAT TIME? >> 6:00 A.M. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO FIRST? >> I HAD TO GO TO THE BATHROOM. WE DROVE DOWN THE STREET TO DUNKIN DONUTS. >> SAME DUNKIN DONUTS? >> SAME DUNKIN DONUTS. >> WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER YOU WENT TO THAT DUNKIN DONUTS? >> I CALLED PRISCILLA. >> AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WE DROVE -- WE WERE DISCUSSING WHERE THE FAMILY MIGHT HAVE GONE. AND THE ONLY THING WE COULD COME UP WITH IS -- >> YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH YOUR SISTER? >> YES. >> AND AS A RESULT OF HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR SISTER, DID YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? SXL WE WERE DRIVING, WE FOUND ROUTE 9, WE DROVE TO ROUTE 9. AND DROVE UP AND DOWN ROUTE 9 LOOKING FOR THE WHITE BMW. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND DOING THAT? >> ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS. >> AFTER DOING THAT, WHERE DID YOU GO? >> WE RETURNED TO THE HOUSE. >> WHEN YOU GOT BACK THERE, WAS ANYBODY THERE? >> NO. >> ANY CARS OUT FRONT OR IN THE DRIVEWAY? >> NO. >> WHERE DID YOU PARK? >> IN THE SAME PLACE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. >> ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THIS NOW? >> 9:30 TO -- ALMOST 8:00. >> SO SOMETIME IN THE MORNING? >> YES. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> CALLED PRISCILLA. >> HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER? >> YES. >> AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, DID DO YOU SOMETHING NEXT? >> I WALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR'S, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. >> AND WHICH HOUSE WOULD THIS BE IF I'M STANDING IN THE FRONT LOOKING TOWARD THE STREET? >> IT WOULD BE TO THE LEFT. >> WAS ANYBODY HOME THERE SOME. >> YES. >>. >> DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM? >> YES. >> DID YOU LEARN THEIR NAMES? >>DY, BUT I FORGET. >> AS A RESULT OF HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, WHERE DID YOU GO? >> RETURNED TO THE HOUSE. >> ALONE OR WITH SOMEONE SNELS. >> WITH MY SISTER, JUST THE TWOF US AT THAT TIME. >> I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER. >> JUST WITH MY SISTER AT THAT TIME. >> WHERE DID YOU GO WHEN YOU RETURNED TO THE HOUSE? >> WE WERE STANDING OUTSIDE THE CAR. I AGAIN CALLED PRISCILLA. >> HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER AGAIN? >> YES. >> AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> AT THAT TIME, THE NEIGHBOR APPROACHED THE HOUSE. >> THE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU HAD JUST GONE TO SEE? >> YES. >> DID SHE APPROACH THE HOUSE OR APPROACH YOU AND MAUREEN? >> APPROACHED US. >> DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATION WITH HER? >> YES. >> AND AFTER HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HAPPENED? >> THE NEIGHBOR OPENED THE GARAGE DOOR FOR US. >> HOW WAS SHE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> SHE HAD THE CODE TO OPEN THE GARAGE. >> AND DID YOU INPUT THE CODE ON A DEVICE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT DOOR? >> YES. >> DID THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN? >> IT DID. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? >> WE ENTERED. >> WHO IS WE? >> MY SISTER AND I. WE WERE FOLLOWED BY THE NEIGHBOR. >> AND WHERE DID YOU GO FIRST? YOU WENT INTO THE GARAGE? >> YES, TO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE WHERE THE DOOR TO THE HOUSE WAS. >> AND THEN WHERE DID YOU GO YOU? >> UP THE STAIRS TO GET SALLY. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO OPEN THE DOOR AND GET IN THROUGH THE BASEMENT AREA? >> YES. >> AND, AGAIN, KEEP YOUR VOICE UP. WHO WENT THROUGH THAT DOOR? >> I DID. >> WHAT ABOUT MAUREEN? >> SHE FOLLOWED ME. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR? >> SHE FOLLOWED BUT DIDN'T FOLLOW US ALL THE WAY IN AT THAT TIME. >> WHERE DID SHE REMAIN? >> IN THE BASEMENT. >> A THERE A FOYER AREA AT THE BASE OF THE STAIRS RIGHT NEAR THAT DOOR THAT THAT GOES FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE DOWNSTAIRS BASEMENT? >> YES. >> YOU AND MAUREEN WENT UP THOSE STAIRS? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO? >> I WENT TO THE BACK OF THE FAMILY ROOM TO SALLY TO GET SALLY. >> DID YOU GET SALLY. >> >>DY. >> WHAT ROUTE DID YOU TAKE WHEN YOU CAME BACK DOWN? >> WE WENT BACK THROUGH THE FAMILY ROOM TO THE DOOR GOING DOWN TO. . LEADING DOWNSTAIRS. BROUGHT HER DOWN THE STAIR THROUGH THE GARAGE. >> AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, WAS THE NEIGHBOR DOWN IN THE FOYER AREA? >> SHE FOLD US BACK OUTSIDE. >> AND WHAT DID DO YOU? >> SALLY WENT TO THE BATHROOM. >> DID YOU WALK SALLY FOR A WHILE? >> YES. >> SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME OUT THERE WITH SALLY? >> YES. >> WHAT ABOUT YOUR SISTER? >> SHE WAS WITH ME. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR, WHERE WAS SHE? >> SHE WAS WATCHING SALLY. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? >> WENT BACK INSIDE TO FIND THE FOOD TO FEED SALLY. >> WHO WENT IN? >> THE THREE OF US. >> HOW FAR DID YOU GO IN. >> I WENT UPSTAIRS TO FIND HER FOOD DISH. >> KEEP YOUR VOICE UP. >> I WENT UP STAIRS TO FIND HER FOOD DISH. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND THE FOOD DISH? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU FIND IT? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE KITCHEN. >> WAS THERE ANY FOOD WITH IT OR DID YOU HAVE TO LOCATE FOOD? >> WE HAD TO LOCATE FOOD. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO DO SO? >> THE NEIGHBOR HAD FOUND IT DOWNSTAIRS. >> AND WHERE WAS MAUREEN ALL THIS TIME? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> WAS SHE WITH YOU OR ELSEWHERE IN THE HOUSE? >> SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH ME. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR, UPSTAIRS, DOWN STAIRS? >> DOWN STAIRS. >> AFTER YOU WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE BOWL AND FOOD, WHAT DID DO YOU? >> WE FED SALLY. >> AND WHERE DID YOU FEED HER? >> IN THE HOUSE. >> UPSTAIRS OR DOWNSTAIRS? >> UPSTAIRS. >> THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS. >> THE NEIGHBOR LEFT. >> DESCRIBE THE ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK WHEN YOU LEFT THE HOUSE. >> THE NEIGHBOR LEFT. >> OH, I'M SOERK THE NEIGHBOR LEFT. >> YES. >> WHAT ROUTE DID SHE TAKE ABOUT. >> JUST DOWN THE BASEMENT STAIRS AND THROUGH THE GARAGE DOOR. >> CLOSED THE DOOR? >> NO, WE LEFT IT OPEN. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE GA ROONLG DOORS THEMSELVES, THE ONE THAT WAS OPENED WITH THE CODE? >> THAT ONE REMAINED OPEN. >> AS WELL AS THE DOOR BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE BASEMENT AREA? >> THAT ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHUT. >> WHERE DID YOU AND MAUREEN REMAIN? >> IN THE FAMILY ROOM WITH SALLY. >> HOW LONG DID YOU SPEND IN THERE? >> WE WERE IN THE HOUSE FOR -- I DON'T KNOW. >> YOU SPENT A PERIOD OF TIME IN THE HOUSE? >> YES. >> WHO WAS IN THE HOUSE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME? >> JUST MY SISTER AND I. >> OTHER THAN THE FAMILY ROOM, DID YOU GO WHERE ELSE IN THE HOME DURING THE ENTIRE THAT YOU SPENT THERE THAT MORNING? >> WE DID. >> WHERE DID YOU GO? AND, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TO KEEP YOUR VOICE UP, PLEASE. >> WE DID WALK THROUGH THE HOUSE. >> TELL US WHERE YOU WENT FIRST AND THEN NEXT. >> MAYBE IF YOU PUT A BOOK UNDER THE MIC. >> I BELIEVE WIRNL AT THE POINT YOU WERE IN THE FAMILY ROOM. >>> WELCOME BACK. THIS IS A GOOD FRIEND OF RACHEL, SHOWED UP FOR A DINNER AT THE ENTWISTLE HOME ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. NOBODY WAS THERE. SHE AND HER SISTER WAITED ALL NIGHT WAITING FOR THEM TO COME HOLE. NOBODY CAME HOME. EVENTUALLY THE POLICE DID A WALK THROUGH AND SHE ALSO DID A WALK THROUGH. AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE MASTER BEDROOM WHERE THE BODIES LACON SEALED BENEATH A COMFORTER ON THE BED. SHE DIDN'T SEE THEM EITHER. POLICE DIDN'T SEE THEM. SHE LEFT AND SHE CONTINUING THE TOER STORY. >> AND IN THE PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU WERE UPSTAIRS WHEN YOU AND MAUREEN PARTED WAYS BRIEFLY, HOW LONG WERE YOU TWO OF YOU APART? >> ONLY LONG ENOUGH TO WALK AROUND THE HOUSE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHERE SHE WENT DOWNSTAIRS? >> NO. >> AFTER WAITING A PERIOD OF TIME, DID PRISCILLA ARRIVE? >> A FEW HOURS LATER. >> ABOUT WHAT TIME DO YOU RECALL HER ARRIVING? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> WAS SHE ALONE? >> JOE WAS WITH HER. >> WHAT DID DO YOU WHEN THEY ARRIVED? >> I WAS ALREADY OUT OF THE HOUSE AT THAT POINT. >> PRIOR TO YOUR ARRIVAL, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION? >> I DID. >>nd AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT DID YOU AND YOUR SISTER DO? >> WE LEFT THE HOUSE. >> TELL US HOUSE YOU LEFT, THE ROUTE YOU TOOK. >> WE WERE IN THE FAMILY ROOM. WE PUT SALLY BACK IN THE CRATE, WE WENT STRAIGHT TOWARDS THE KITCHEN, TOOK A LEFT, DOWN THE STAIRCASE THROUGH THE GARAGE TO OUR CAR. >> CLOSE THE DOOR ON THE WAY OUT, THE ONE BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE -- >> YES, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY. IT HADN'T CLOSED ALL THE WAY. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE GARAGE DOOR ITSELF? >> WE CLOSED THE GARAGE DOOR. >> AND THEN WHERE DID YOU GO? >> WE WENT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. >> DID YOU SPEND SOME TIME OVER THERE, SPEAK WITH SOMEBODY OVER THERE? >> YES. >> AND AFTER HAVING CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> WE GOT BACK IN THE CAR AND WE DROVE TO STOP AND SHOP. >> DID YOU SPEND SOME TIME AT STOP AND SHOP? >> NO WE WERE DRIVING THE AREA LOOKING AGAIN FOR THE WHITE BMW. >> SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAD DONE EARLIER? >> UH-HUH. >> YOU HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO. >> YES. >> ABOUT WHAT TIME WAS THAT MA'AM, WHEN YOU HAD LEFT THE HOME AND DROVE TO THE STOP AND SHOP AREA? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> WHAT DID DO YOU NEXT AFTER DRIVING AROUND IN THE STOP AND SHOP AREA LOOKING FOR THE WHITE BMW? >> WE EVENTUALLY RETURNED TO THE HOUSE. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU GOT BACK THERE? >> EARLY AFTERNOON. >> WAS ANYBODY THERE WHEN YOU RETURNED? >> NO. >> DID YOU WAIT THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES. >> DID SOMEBODY ARRIVE? >> YES. >> WHO ARRIVED? >> PRISCILLA AND JOE. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? >> ONCE THERE, I WENT BACK IN THE HOUSE JUST TO GET SALLY. >> HOW DID YOU GET BACK IN THE HOUSE TO GET SALLY? >> I KNEW THE -- I USED THE CODE TO GET IN THE GARAGE AND WENT THROUGH THE GARAGE, UP THE STAIRS THROUGH THE BASEMENT TO THE FOYER AND THEN TO THE KITCHEN, TOOK A RIGHT INTO THE FAMILY ROOM TO GET SALLY MACHINE. >> BUT GO UP THERE ALONE? >>DY. >> OTHER THAN GOING TLUP TO GET SALLY, DID DO YOU ANYTHING ELSE WHEN YOU WERE THERE? >> NO. >> TOOK SALLY OUT, CLOSED THE PLACE UP AND LEFT? >> YES. >> AND WHERE DID YOU GO? >> JUST TO THE DRIVEWAY. >> AND WHO WAS OUTSIDE? >> MY SISTER AND PRISCILLA AND JOE. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WAITED. >> DID YOU WAIT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES. >> HOW LONG DID YOU WAIT? >> I BELIEVE FOR A FEW MORE HOURS. >> AND THEN WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID YOU DO? >> WE EVENTUALLY WENT TO GET DINNER. >> WHO WENT TO GET DINNER? >> MY SISTER AND I AND PRISCILLA AND JOE. >> WHERE DID YOU GO, LOCALLY? >> YES. >> YOU SPENT SOME TIME GETTING DINNER? >> YES. >> WHAT DID DO YOU AFTER THAT? >> RETURNED TO THE HOUSE. >> WAS ANYBODY THERE OUTSIDE? >> NO. >> DO YOU RECALL ANYBODY ELSE ARRIVING IN CARS OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY AT 6 CUBS PATH? >> YES. >> WHO ARRIVED? >> TERRY PRATT AND HER DAUGHTER, MILES PER HOUR SHE WILL. I DIDN'T SEE THEM. THEY DIDN'T GET OUT. >> AFTER RETURNING AFTER DINNER TO 6 CUBS PATH OR AFTER HAVING SOMETHING TO EAT, WHAT DID DO YOU NEXT, MA'AM? >> EVENTUALLY WE DECIDED TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> AND WHAT WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> >> WE ALL DID, PRISCILLA, AND JOE, MY SISTER AND I AND SALLY, THE DOG. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT TIME YOU GOT THERE? >> IT WAS TOWARDS EVENING. I WOULD SAY ABOUT 5:00. >> AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, DID YOU MEET WITH ONE OR MORE POLICE OFFICERS? >> YES. >> DID YOU SPEND A PERIOD OF TIME THERE? >> YES. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME, DID YOU RECEIVE SOME NEWS ABOUT RACHEL ENTWISTLE AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> DID YOU SPEND AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME AT THE STATION THAT EVENING? >> YES. >> AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU WERE THERE? >> I WAS INTERVIEWED BY ONE OF THE DETECTIVES. THEY TOOK MY FINGERPRINTS. I SPENT SOME TIME. MY FAMILY CAME. >> WHAT ABOUT MAUREEN, WAS SHE THERE, AS WELL? >> YES. >> AND DO YOU RECALL WHAT TIME YOU LEFT? >> AROUND MIDNIGHT. >> WHERE DID YOU GO? >> I WENT HOME WITH PRISCILLA AND JOE. >> DID YOU SPEND SOME TIME WITH JOE'S FAMILY OVER THE COURSE OF THAT WEEK? >> I DID. >> JUST A MOMENT, YOUR HONOR. >> THAT CANNOT HAVE BEEN VERY EASY TESTIMONY FOR JOANNA GATELY, CLOSING THAT UP MOMENT SAYING THAT, YES, SHE DID RECEIVE THE NEWS ABOUT RASH CHEL AND LILLIAN, THEY WERE DEAD IN THAT HOUSE THAT SHE HAD BEEN WAITING AT NEARLY 24 HOURS. GOT TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO ROB AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING PATIENT AND WATCHING THROUGH WITH US AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE THIS TESTIMONY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU AGAIN TIME. >> GREAT TO SEE I AGAIN. >> I WANT TO REMIND OUR VIEWER, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO WATCH THE LIVE TRIAL COVERAGE. IT BEGINS ON LINE AT 3:00 P.M. >> THAT DOES IT FOR US TODAY. WE'LL BE BACK TOLL. MORE OF THAT TESTIMONY AND MORE EMOTION IN THIS MURDER MYSTERY. WE'LL SEE YOU ALL THEN. 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