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>>> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WE KNOCKED ON THE GLASS DOOR. >> A FRIEND COMES LOOKING FOR RACHEL ENTWISTLE, CAN'T SDPIND THAT CONCERN QUICKLY BECOMES FEAR. ULTIMATELY THE POLICE BECOME INVOLVED. WHAT THEY DISCOVER IS A NIGHTMARE. THE BODY OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE, HER 9-MONTH-OLD DAUGHTER LILLIAN, SHOT TO DEATH IN THEIR OWN BEDROOM. PROSECUTORS SAY THIS MAN, HUSBAND AND FATHER, IS GUILTY OF THAT MURDER. THE DEFENSE SAYS THE WRONG SMAN ON TRIAL. ALL OF THAT TODAY AS "BANFIELD & FORD: COURTSIDE" BEGINS. GOOD WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. WELCOME TO "BANFIELD & FORD: COURTSIDE." WE ARE IN SESSION. I'M JACK FORD. >> I'M ASHLEIGH BANFIELD. WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF DISTURBING THINGS REAR THEIR UGLY HEADS IN THE LAST 24 HOURS. ONE IS THE GUN THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY USED BY NEIL ENTWISTLE TO KILL THESE TWO SAD VICTIMS. AND THE OTHER WAS THE UNMADE BED, UNDER WHICH TWO BODIES WERE CONCEALED FOR FAR LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE EVER BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> MOST PEOPLE THINK, HOW COULD THE POLICE OFFICER AND EVERYBODY ELSE MISS THIS? RACHEL IS NOT A BIG PERSON AND LILLIAN, 9 MONTHS OLD. YOU'VE GOT THEM THROWN IN AND NO OTHER SIGNS OF FOUL PLAY. WHAT CONCERNED EVERYBODY IS THEY COULDN'T FIND THEM. I GUESS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHEN JOANNA GATELY WAS TESTIFYING, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN EVER THINK OF A MORE ADMIRABLE FRIEND AND FWHNS A COURTROOM. YOU CAN TELL BY HER DEMEANER, SHE WAS A KIND AND GENTLE PERSON. SHE AND HER SISTER STAY IN THEIR CAR FOR 24 HOURS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT HER. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE FRIENDS LIKE THIS? >> YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IT IN RETROSPECT AND SAY, SURE, THERE WAS A CRISIS. THERE WAS A MURDER MYSTERY. NO, THEY HAVE MISSED A DINNER. THEY WEREN'T THERE FOR A DINNER ENGAGEMENT. YOU'VE GOT TO THINK MUCH EVERYBODY'S MIND IN TERMS OF THAT MOMENT. YOU WALK INSIDE AND THERE IS CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING, LIGHTS ON, FOOD IS OUT IN THE KITCHEN. WE COULD EASILY JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THEY FORGOT. THEY'RE LATE GETTING BACK FROM SAY A SKIING ADVENTURE. YOU WOULD THINK A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAN MY INCREDIBLY HAPPY FAMILY FRIENDS HAVE JUST ENDURED A MURDER MYSTERY. >> I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN EMOTIONAL, INTUITIVE CONNECTIONS. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY SO CONNECTED WITH HER, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS NOTHING TO SUGGEST A PROBLEM, THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE THAT MADE HER SAY, I'M GOING TO SAY HERE UNTIL I FIND OUT. >> THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT CREEPS OUT IN A CASE. I THINK IN THIS CASE IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THAT THE PHONE IN THE KITCHEN -- THE PHONE SEPARATED FROM THE CORDLESS BASE AND IT DIDN'T SET WELL WITH JOANNA. THERE IS THE TELEPHONE AT THE BASE, BUT THE CORD IS PULLED OUT FROM THE BASE OF THE CORDLESS PHONE IN THE KITCHEN. >> GOOD POINT. BUT SUCH AN ADMIRABLE PERSON. YOU COULD SEE SHE WAS ON THE VERGE OF TEARS THROUGHOUT THAT TESTIMONY. >>> IN ANY EVENT, WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PLAYING OUT IN THIS COURTROOM FOR A LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK NOW. AS WE TOLD YOU ABOUT, THE CASE HAS GOTTEN ENORMOUS ATTENTION, NOT JUST HERE BUT INTERNATIONALLY. BETH KARRAS GETS US CAUGHT UP. >> YOU BELIEVE POSSIBLY THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A MURDER/SUICIDE, BUT WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. OBVIOUSLY, THE MURDER WAS EFFECTED. THE SUICIDE WAS NOT. >> Reporter: ON A QUIET WINTER NIGHT OUTSIDE BOSTON, THE POLICE WERE CALLED TO THE HOUSE OF NEIL AND RACHEL ENTWISTLE. THE FAMILY WAS NOBODY TO BE FOUND. POLICE DID A CURSORY SEARCH TWICE BEFORE MAKING A GRUESOME DISCOVERY. >> NEIL ENTWISTLE WITH A FIREARM WE BELIEVE HE HAD SECURED AT SOME POINT BEFORE THAT SHOT RACHEL ENTWISTLE IN THE HEAD, THEN PROCEEDED TO SHOOT BABY LILLIAN, LYING ON THE BED NEXT TO HER MOTHER. >> Reporter: THE ONE THING THEY COULD NOT FIND WAS NEIL ENTWISTLE. MASSACHUSETTS INVESTIGATORS LEARNED HE HAD RETURNED TO HIS PARENTS' HOME OUTSIDE OF LONDON. >> NEIL ENTWISTLE WAS ARRESTED THIS MORNING, JUST BEFORE NOON LONDON TIME, 7:00 OUR TIME, ON TWO CHARGES OF MURDER. THE MURDER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE. >> Reporter: HE WAIVED EXTRADITION AND RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES TO FACE THE CHARGES. SPECULATION THAT FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE MURDERS. >> YOU'LL BE HELD WITHOUT BAIL. >> Reporter: THE ARRAIGNMENT ATTRACTED NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION. >> IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT MR. ENTWISTLE HAS BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED IN THIS COURT WITH TWO CRIMES OF MURDER. BY HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, THE PROCESS THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS IS UNDER WAY. >> Reporter: DESPITE HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SIX WEEKS AFTER HIS ARRAIGNMENT, A GRAND JURY INDICTED ENTWISTLE FOR THE MURDERS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY DAUGHTER. >> I AM GOING TO RIGOROUSLY, AGGRESSIVELY AND SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND MR. ENTWISTLE. I'M GOING TO DO THAT IN THE ONLY ARENA THAT COUNTS, THAT'S THE COURTROOM. >> TALKING ABOUT TRYING IT IN THE COURTROOM, THAT'S WHERE THIS CASE HAS BEEN TRIED FOR THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF. THEY'RE IN THE MIDST OF A BREAK NOW. THE PROSECUTION HAS CONTINUED TO MOVE ALONG WITH A WHOLE SERIES OF WITNESSES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU YOU HAVE GOING INTO IT THAT THE PROSECUTION WASN'T GOING TO HAVE THAT BIG KILLER PIECE OF EVIDENCE. THERE'S NO CONFESSION. THERE IS NO -- I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A GUN, THERE IS NO -- >> YOU MEAN THIS BIG MOUNTAIN MUCH EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM ISN'T KILLER ENOUGH? >> THIS IS A PROSECUTION CASE OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. WE'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE PIECES AND THE PIECES POINT TO THIS GUY RIGHT HERE AS THE KILLER. THEY'RE FAR MORE CHALLENGING CASES FOR BOTH THE PROSECUTION AND THE DEFENSE, WHO HAS TO KICK HOLES IN ALL THIS CIRCUMSTANTIAL STUFF. >> I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO BE EASY TO KICK HOLES IN THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL. I LOVE HOW YOU SAY CIRCUMSTANTIAL DOESN'T MEAN WEAK. SOMETIMES IT CAN MAKE AIRTIGHT. >> SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER THAN DIRECT EVIDENCE. >> HE'S HAND COME? WELL DRESSED, WELL TO DO. HE COMES FROM A GOOD FAMILY. HIS PARENTS ARE IN THE BACK SUPPORTING HIM. ALL WE'VE BEEN HEARING, LOVING FATHER. MORE LOVING FATHER THAN I'VE EVER SEEN FROM THE WELCOME WAGON LADY. >> FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIM SAVING THEY SEEMED GENUINELY IN LOVE. HE CARED FOR HIS WIFE, CARED FOR HIS CHILD. >> NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS FAMILY. >> THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY FOR THE DEFENSE TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. IF THE DEFENSE IS, NOT SAYING I WASN'T THERE BUT I DIDN'T VIOLATE THE LAW. THE DEFENSE IS, THAT'S NOT ME. THAT'S THE WRONG GIP. THAT'S A HARD DEFENSE. >> IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THE DEFENSE IS, LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING YOU ABOUT HIM. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE HE COULD BE THERE. >> LISTEN TO YOUR GUT. >> THAT'S WHAT'S PLAYINGED IN THE COURTROOM. OUTSIDE IS OUR OWN BETH KARRAS JOINING US TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN IN THE COURTROOM SO FAR TODAY. WHAT HAVE THE JURORS BEEN LISTENING TO? >> Reporter: TODAY IS A HALF DAY. COURT IS FINISHED FOR THE DAY. THE JURORS HAD THREE WITNESSES. THE THIRD ONE DIDN'T FINISH. THE PACE HAS SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT A REALLY IMPORTANT DAY. SERGEANT SUTTON TESTIFIED -- HE'S WITH THE HOPKINTON POLICE -- GOING TO THE HOUSE ON JANUARY 21st AND DOING A CURSE REEF WELL-BEING CHECK AND NOT SEEING ANYBODY IN DISTRESS OR ANYBODY AT HOME. THEN RETURNING THE NEXT DAY AND NEGATIVE A FOUL ORDER. FOLLOWING THE ODOR UPSTAIRS. HE WAS WITH THE DETECTIVE SCOTT VAN RAALTEN. LIFTING UP A CORNER OF THE COMFORTER AND SEEING THE BODIES. HE SECURED THE PERIMETER OF THE HOW WAS AND SIX HOURS LATER, A SEARCH WARRANT HAD BEEN B TAND AND CRIME SCENE PROCESSED THE SCENE, PHOTOGRAPHED AND VIDEOTAPED AND REMOVED THE BODIES. THE JURY HEARD FROM ONE OF THE CRIME SCENE TECHNICIANS, MARY RICHLE. SHE NOT ONLY PROCESSED FOR LATENT PRINTS AND DID COMPARISONS BUT SHE ALSO DESCRIBED IN DETAIL THE POSITIONS OF THE BODIES IN THE ABOUT ED. AS EACH OF THE THREE LAYERS WAS UNCOVERED, REMOVED WHAT THEY COULD SEE. FIRST THE COMFORTER, THEN THE PILLOW OVER THE HEAD OF THE BABY AND THEN THE SHEET, WHICH WAS FOR THE MOST PART OVER RACHEL ENTWISTLE. THEY WERE BOTH CLOTHED. THE BABY IN A SLEEPER AND T-SHIRT AND RACHEL IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE PAJAMAS. THE PUNCTURE WOUNDS IN THE BABY. IT APPEARS THE BULLET WENT THROUGH THE BABY IN HER CHEST AND THE CHEST OF RACHEL ENT WIST. THAT WAS AN INTACT BULLET THEY WERE ABLE TO USE TO XAER TO THE MURDER WEAPON. SHE WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD. THERE WAS NO TESTIMONY ABOUT THAT. THEY DID NOT DISCOVER THAT AT AUTOPSY. MARY RITCHIE IS STILL DESCRIBING THE .22 REVOLVER SHE PROCESSED. NOT ENOUGH DETAIL FOR COMPARISON. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE BALLISTICS TEST TO SHOW THAT'S THE MURDER WEAPON THAT BELONGED TO JOE MATTERAZZO. ONE THING WEEP LEARNED THAT WAS NEW -- A LOT OF THIS IS NEW -- THE POSSESSION OF AMMUNITION CHARGE, ONE OF THE FOUR COUNTS THAT ENTWISTLE IS FACING, APPEARS NOT TO BE RELATED TO AMMUNITION IN THE GUN THAT WAS USED. BUT THERE WAS A BABY FOOD JAR OF AMMUNITION FOUND, A GLASS JAR. THAT WAS -- THERE WAS AMMUNITION IN THE HOUSE, IN A BOX IN THE HOUSE. I'M SURE THE PROSECUTION WILL SAY THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE NOT ONLY REMOVED THE GUN UNLAWFULLY BUT ALSO THE JAR OF AMMUNITION. THE PRINTS OF ANTHONY MATTERAZZO, ONE OF RACHEL'S STEPBROTHERS, WAS ON THAT JAR THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S FINGERPRINTS ARE ON. NOT EVERYBODY LEAVES PRENTS. THAT'S WHAT WE LEARNED SO FAR. COURT HAS NOW BROKEN. WE'LL PICK UP TOMORROW MORNING. I THINK THE JURY WILL SEE THE CRIME SCENE VIDEO. >> THAT WILL BE A DRAMATIC MOMENT. THAT GETS US TO OUR CONSIDERATION FOR THE DOCKET TODAY. THAT IS MOTIVE FOR MURDER. WHAT THE PROSECUTION IS ATTEMPTING TO PROVE INSIDE OF THAT COURTROOM. LET'S TAKE QUICK INTRODUCTIONS. WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE THE FRIEND WENDY MURPHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LITTLE WHILE. FORMER MIDDLE SEX COUNTY PROSECUTOR. CURRENTLY DOES A LOT OF THINGS, INCLUDING TEACHING AT THE NEW ENGLAND SCHEDULE OF LAW IN BOSTON. SHE'S A VICTIMS RIGHTS ADVOCATES. AND JUSTICE FOR SOME. WENDY, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK WITH HERE. AND MICHELLE McFEE IS SPENDING TIME WITH US. AMONG OTHER THNGS, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK, "HEARTLESS." A REMINDER YOU CAN HEAR MICHELLE, A JOURNALIST, ON WTKK IN NEW ENGLAND. HER SHOW IS CALLED RAW AND RELEVANT. THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO SET US UP HERE. SO MOTIVE FOR MURDER. THE PROSECUTION SAYS HERE'S THE MURDER FOR YOU. SEX, LIES AND BANKRUPTCY, IF WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT ALLITERATIVE HERE. I WANTED YOU TO LISTEN TO A PORTION OF THE OPENING STATEMENT BY MICHAEL FABBRI WHERE HE IS LAYING OUT WHAT THE PROSECUTION BELIEVES IS THE REASON FOR THESE KILLINGS. >> THE DEFENDANT BEGAN VISITING CERTAIN WEBSITES. LATE FALL, EARLY WINTER 2006. HE GOOGLED A WEBSITE ON BANKRUPTCY. LATER IN DECEMBER, HE BEGAN LOOKING AT WEBSITES ABOUT ESCOR ESCORTS, HOPKINTON AREA. >> SEX, LIES AND BANKRUPTCY ACCORDING TO THE PROSECUTORS. MICHELLE, LET ME COME TO YOU FIRST. WHAT DID YOUR RESEARCH SHOW YOU AND YOUR REPORTING SHOW YOU IN TERMS OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THAT NEIL AND RACHEL ENTWISTLE WERE IN AT THE TIME OF THE KILLINGS? >> ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH, HERE IS A GUY WHO PRESENTED THIS PICTURE OF HIMSELF. HE HAS TOLD HIS IN-LAWS HE RECEIVED A CONTRACT FOR $100,000 TO CONDUCT SOME BUSINESS. HE TRIED TO ALLUDE TO THE IDEA THAT HE WAS A BRITISH SPY AND DOING SOME CONTRACTING WORK FOR BRITISH INTELLIGENCE. IT WAS ALL A MATTER OF WAITING FOR THE CHECK TO ARRIVE. AT THE SAME TIME, HERE IS A GUY WHO WOULD ALWAYS PULL OUT HIS CREDIT CARD TO PICK UP THE TAB. THEY HAVE LIVED IN THIS SPRAWLING, BEAUTIFUL HOPKINTON ESTATE IN A VERY AFFLUENT AREA OF NEW ENGLAND IN BOSTON. THEY BY ALL ACCOUNTS LOOKED LIKE A SUCCESSFUL SUBURBAN FAMILY. THEY DROVE AROUND IN THE RENTED BMW RENTED SUV. THE REALITY WAS MUCH MORE GRIM. HERE WAS A DEBRIS THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY BROKE. EVERYTHING THEY HAVE OWNED WAS RENTED AND BOUGHT ON CREDIT. THEY HAD ASKED THEIR IN-LAWS TO COSIGN THE LEASE FOR THE BMW. BUT THEY SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE FAMILY CAR. BUT THEY SAID, NO WE WANT A BMW. THEY WITHOUT THIS WOMAN'S KNOWLEDGE PUT HER NAME ON THE LEASE FOR THE HOPKINTON HOME AS WELL. FRANKLY, THEIR FINANCES WERE A MESS. HE WAS A GUY WHO WAS DESPERATE LOW SCRAMBLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET BY SELLING PORN. WE KNOW ABOUT THE PENIS ENLARGEMENT WEBSITE. WE ABOUT KNOW ABOUT A PLETHORA OF OTHER WAYS TO MAKE MONEY. >> LET ME TAKE WHAT YOU SAID SO FAR AND JUMP OVER TO WENDY. WENDY, I'LL PUT YOU BACK IN THE COURTROOM AS A PROSECUTOR. EVEN THOUGH YOU LEAVE, YOU NEVER REALLY LEAVE IT. THAT'S WHAT I SAID 30 YEARS AGO. IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR HERE, ALL RIGHT, MOTIVE IS ALWAYS, AS OUR VIEWERS KNOW, NOT NECESSARY. BUT BOY, YOU LIKE TO HAVE IT IF YOU'RE A PROSECUTOR. LOOK AT THIS CASE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEX. YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY EXPECT. A WOMAN IN A MOTEL ROOM SOMEPLACE THAT HE IS FREQUENTING. MONEY. YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT PEOPLE USUALLY EXPECT. YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG TIME INSURANCE POLICY ON THE LIFE OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE. YOU SEEM TO BE NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES OF THOET TYPES OF MOTIVES. IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THE PROSECUTION? >> YOU KNOW, JACK, YOU MAKE SUCH A GOOD POINT. THERE IS NO AMBER FREY HERE AND NO MILLION DOLLAR PMS. WITHOUT THOSE HUGE REASONS TO KILL YOUR WIFE AND BABY, IS THE JURY GOING TO BEACH A LESS THAN HUGE EXPLANATION? WHICH IS THAT THIS GUY WAS LIVING A FAKE LIVE AND VISITED PORN SITES. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO A JOR THAT A GUY HAVING THOSE LIFE STRESSES WOULD EXECUTE HIS ENTIRE FAMILY. HIS WIFE AND LITTLE BABY? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT MOTIVE IS NOT REQUIRED. BUT A JURY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SENSE OF SOMETHING THIS HORRIBLE. THEY LOOK AT A FACE LIKE NEIL ENTWISTLE'S AND SAY THAT COULD BE MY BROTHER, MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. IF I CAN'T MAKE SENSE OF THIS AND COME TO A REASONABLE FEELING AND EXPLANATION FOR WHY HE DID THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN COME TO THE CORRECT RESULT, THE CORRECT VERDICT. SO IT IS TO NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ADVANTAGE THAT HE LOOKS LIKE SUCH A NICE GUY. SCOTT PETERSON TAUGHT US THAT SOMETIMES VERY HANDSOME GUYS CAN DO VERY BAD THINGS. >> YOU GET US NICELY TO THE FLIP SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE DEFENSE. THIS WAS A HAPPY, LOVING FAMILY. LISTEN TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT PAMLY JACKSON MADE. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HER OBSERVATIONS OF NEIL AND RACHEL AND THE FAMILY. LISTEN TO WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY. >> YOU WERE THERE, NEIL WAS PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO LILLIAN. >> THAT WAS -- IT ACTUALLY WAS A CONVERSATION STOPPER AT TIMES. BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE BABY GURGLED OR COOED OR GIGGLED OR ANYTHING, HE WOULD ACTUALLY AVERT HIS EYES AND REALLY JUST CONCENTRATE ON THE BABY. AND AT THE TIME, I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST ADORABLE. HE JUST DOTED ON THE BABY. >> AND HE WOULD BEAM. >> HE ABSOLUTELY BEAMED. >> SO, WENDY, HERE YOU HAVE IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR, THE PROSECUTOR TRYING TO PORTRAY THIS GUY AS THIS HEARTLESS KILLER. AND YET A WHOLE ARRAY OF PROSECUTION WITNESSES HAVE ALL UNANIMOUSLY SAID, THIS LOOKS LIKE A LOVELY RELATIONSHIP. THEY GOT ALONG WELL. SEEMED TO BE TRULY AND GENUINELY IN LOVE. HE LOVED HIS CHILD. HE LOVED HIS WIFE. WHAT DO YOU SAY IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR? ANGLE YOU HAVE TO EAT THAT. YOU HAVE TO SAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE SEEMS LIKE A NICE GUY. THEY SEEMED LIKE A LOVING COUPLE. HE SEEMED TO CARE ABOUT HIS BABY SO MUCH. HE COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN OF THE MIND THAT HE COULD EXECUTE HER. THAT SWEET LITTLE FACE. HOW COULD A MAN LIKE THAT DO SUCH A THING? IT MAKES NO SENSE. IT'S NOT THE BOGGY MAN THAT WE WANT TO BE THE KILLER IN THIS CASE. HE'S IN THE OF THE FIRST SEEMINGLY NICE PERSON TO COMMIT A HIDEOUS ACT OF VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE HE CLAIMS TO HAVE LOVED. I WONDER WHETHER THE JURY ISN'T THINKING TO ITSELF, ESPECIALLY AS IT HEARS MORE OF THE DAMNING FORENS EVIDENCE. THAT GUY WAS AWFULLY NICE TO THE WELCOME LADY BECAUSE HE WAS THINKING HEALED. THIS WOMAN MIGHT SOMEDAY BE ASKED, IS HE THE TYPE THAT CAN KILL? THIS IS A WITNESS THAT IS GOING TO SAY, NO, HE LOVED HIS CHILD SO MUCH. HE DOESN'T SEEM SINISTER ENOUGH JUST YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE IS. WE HAVEN'T HEARD HOW TRULY DAMNING THIS CASE IS SDPAENS PIM-ONCE THEY HEAR THAT, THEY WON'T CARE HOW NICE HE WAS TO THE WELCOME WAGON LADY. >> WENDY IS GOING TO STAY ON WITH US THROUGHOUT THE COURT OF OUR SESSION HERE. WE'LL BE TALKING ALSO WITH MICHELLE IN A LITTLE WHILE. MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE BOOK SHE'S WRITTEN AND THE FINDINGS. BETH KARRAS IS STAYING WITH US. WE'LL STEP ASIDE FOR A MOMENT. DON'T GO AWAY. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE IN SESSION. A BREAK IN THE TESTIMONY SO YOU'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. THERE IS SOME TESTIMONY I WOULD LOVE YOU TO SEE. EVEN IF YOU SAW IT BEFORE, YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW GOOD A FRIEND -- JACK MENTIONED THIS OFF THE TOP OF THE SHOW -- HOW GOOD A FRIEND JOANNA GATELY IS TO THE NEW DECEASED RACHEL ENTWISTLE. SHE WAS SIMPLY COMING WITH HER SISTER TO DINNER ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, NO ANSWER. LIGHTS ARE ON. NO ANSWER. NOT LIKE RACHEL. SHE'S ALWAYS HONORING AN ARRANGEMENT THAT'S MADE. SHE SETS INTO WORK THE SERIES OF STEPS THAT WILL PLAY OUT TO THE ULTIMATE DISCOVERY THAT HER DEAR FRIEND AND THAT FRIEND'S BABY ARE DEAD. JOANNA GATELY TESTIFIED ABOUT STAYING IN HER CAR WITH HER SISTER ALL NIGHT ON A COLD MASSACHUSETTS NIGHT IN JANUARY. STAYING AND SLEEPING IN THE CAR OUTSIDE OF HER FRIEND'S HOUSE JUST ON THE CHANCE THAT SHE MIGHT COME HOME. LISTEN. >> AND THE NOTE WAS TO BOTH RACHEL AND NEIL, RIGHT? >> YES. >> OKAY. SO THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO CUBS PATH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT AFTER 2:00? >> YES. >> YOU FELL ASLEEP? >> YES. >> YOUR SISTER'S IN THE BACK SEAT. IT'S KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT. >> YES. >> YOU'RE WARMING UP THE CAR SO YOU DON'T FREEZE? >> YES. >> YOU GOT UP AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING, YOU SAY? >> YES. >> OKAY. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU WENT BACK TO DUNKIN' DONUTS? >> YES. >> AND YOU WENT DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR THE CAR. >> YES. >> AND THIS WAS BECAUSE YOU WERE LATE FOR DINNER BASICALLY? YOU HAD ARRIVED LATE FOR DINNER AND YOU DID ALL THIS STUFF AFTER BEING LATE FOR DINNER, RIGHT? >> YES. WE DID THIS ALL AFTER. >> OKAY. THEN AT SOME POINT THE NEIGHBOR CAME OVER AND WAS ABLE TO GIVE YOU THE CODE TO THE DOOR TO GET IN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> THIS WAS ON SUNDAY MORNING? >> YES. >> YOU HAD BEEN IN A LOT OF CONTACT WITH PRISCILLA OVER THIS? >> YES. >> YOU MUST HAVE -- STRIKE THAT. SO ONCE YOU GOT INTO THE HOUSE, KANE, YOU WALK AROUND THE HOUSE SEEING IF THERE IS ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY? >> YES. >> EVEN ALL THE WAY UPSTAIRS INTO THE MASTER BEDROOM? >> YES. >> YOU HEAR THE MUSIC. IT WAS CLASSICAL MUSIC YOU HEARD? >> YES. >> IT WAS 102.5, THAT WAS THE STATION THAT WAS ON? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> AND UPPER IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE FOR A LOT OF THAT MORNING, UNTIL 10:30, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE LEFT ONCE. >> ONCE YOU LEFT THE HOUSE AND CLOSED THE DOOR, YOU STILL DID NOT GO BACK HOME TO CAMBRIDGE, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD SPOKEN WITH PRISCILLA, PRISCILLA AND MR. MATTERAZZO DID NOT SHOW UP UNTIL A FEW HOURS LATER AFTER YOU LAST SPOKE WITH HIM, IS THAT REET? >> YES. SO IN THE MEANTIME, YOU STILL ARE WAITING AT THE HOUSE IN THE DRIVEWAY PART OF THE TIME? >> YES. >> AND YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR THE CAR PART OF THE TIME? >> YES. >> AND WHEN MR. -- WHEN JOE MATTERAZZO AND PRISILLO SHOWED UP, YOU ALL WAITED PER A BIT AND THEN WENT OUT AND GOT SOMETHING TO EAT? >> YES. >> IT WAS AFTER THAT YOU ALL WENT BACK TO THE HOUSE. OR DID YOU GO DIRECTLY TO THE POLICE STATION. >> WE RETURNED TO THE HOUSE. >> AND AFTER THAT, YOU WENT DOWN TO THE HOPKINTON POLICE STATION, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH THE POLICE DURING THE COURSE OF THIS, INVESTIGATION, THEY HAVE ASKED YOU ABOUT YOUR WHEREABOUTS ON FRIDAY, IS THAT RIGHT? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> AND YOU TOLD THEM AS MANY SPECIFICS AS YOU COULD. >> YES. >> AND KNOWING THAT IF THEY DHEKD OUT, EVERYTHING WOULD BE FINE? >> YES. >> YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CONFIRM WHAT YOU TOLD THEM, RIGHT? >> YES. >> FROM THE TIME THAT YOU KNEW RACHEL AND THE TIME THAT YOU KNEW RACHEL KNEW NEIL AND THEY WERE TOGETHER, YOU WERE NEVER AWARE OF ANY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS THAT THE ENTWISTLE COUPLE HAD, IS THAT RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> AND UPPER NEVER AWARE ANY OF MARITAL PROBLEMS THAT RACHEL AND NEIL MIGHT HAVE HAD, IS THAT RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> AS YOU TOLD US, THERAPY A VERY LOVING COUPLE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> A CARING COUPLE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> THEY WERE DEVOTED PARENTS, RIGHT? >> YES. >> DEVOTED TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND THEY WERE HAPPY AND EXCITED, RIGHT? >> YES. >> IN THEIR LIVES, RIGHT? >> MA'AM, YOU MENTIONED LEAVING A NOTE. >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU LEAVE THAT NOTE? >> IN THE TABLE AREA IN THE SEATING AREA NEXT TO THE KITCHEN. >> WHEN DID YOU LEAVE IT, WAS THAT THE FIRST OR SECOND TIME YOU WENT IN THERE? >> THE FIRST TIME I WENT IN WITH THE POLICEMAN. I ASKED THE POLICE. >> YOU ASKED THE POLICE AND THEY ALLOWED YOU TO LEAVE A NOTE? >> YES. >> MA'AM, WAS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T GO HOME THAT NIGHT? >> BECAUSE THE SITUATION WAS VERY UNLIKE RACHEL. I WAS CONCERNED. >> AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD HAD CONVERSATION WITH PRISCILLA ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. DID PRISCILLA EXPRESS ANY CONCERNS TO YOU? >> YES. >> THE WITNESS MAY ANSWER. >> YES. >> AND AS A RESULT OF THOSE CONCERNS BEING EXPRESSED TO YOU, HOW DID YOUR CONCERN CHANGE AT ALL? WHAT WAS YOUR STATE OF MIND AFTER THAT. >> I WAS OBVIOUSLY MORE CONCERNED. >> SPENDING A NUMBER OF HOURS OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOME AND GOING TO DUNKIN' DONUTS AND COMING BACK OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS, DID THAT CHANGE YOUR LEVEL OF CONCERN? >> NO. OH, I BECOME MORE CONCERNED OVER TIME. >> WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT MORNING WHEN YOU WOKE UP? WHAT WAS YOUR LEVEL OF CONCERN THEN? >> MORE CONCERNED AS TIME WENT BY. >> LAST THING, MA'AM, BY THE WAY, WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO LEASE THAT BMW? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS -- >> OBJECT, YOUR HONOR. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS NEIL. >> THANK YOU. >> MS. GATELY, NEIL AND RACHEL DID THINGS AS A COUPLE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> THEY MADE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR LIVES AS A HUSBAND AND WIFE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR LIVES, RIGHT? >> YES. >> THEY HAD A BMW IN ENGLAND, RIGHT? >> YES. >> RACHEL SIGNED A LEASE FOR THAT BMW, RIGHT? >> YES. >> THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG ABOUT HAVING A BMW, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> IN TERMS OF YOUR CONCERN AS TIME WENT ON, YOU WERE STILL HAD ARRIVED LATE FOR DINNER, RIGHT? >> YES. >> THERE WAS NOTHING ABOUT YOUR INITIAL WALK AROUND THAT HOUSE TO INDICATE ANYTHING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED THAT WOULD HAVE HARMED RACHEL, NEIL OR THE BABY, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THE WITNESS MAY ANSWER. >> ABOUT THE HOUSE ITSELF, NO. >>> ON SOMETIME FRIDAY MORNING, NEIL ENTWISTLE WITH A FIREARM THAT WE BELIEVE HE HAD SECURED AT SOMETIME BEFORE THAT, FROM HIS FATHER-IN LAW, JOSEPH MATTERAZZO, SHOT RACHEL ENTWISTLE IN THE HEAD, THEN PROCEEDED TO SHOOT BABY LILLIAN, WHO WAS LYING ON THE BED NEXT TO HER MOTHER. WE BELIEVE POSSIBLY THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A MURDER/SUICIDE. BUT WON'T HAVE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. OBVIOUSLY, THE MURDER WAS EFFECTED. THE SUICIDE WAS NOT. WHAT WE BELIEVE HAPPENED NEXT IS THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE RETURNED THE GUN TO HIS FATHER-IN LAW'S HOME IN CARVER. >> MARTHA COAKLEY WAS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AT THE TIME THIS CRIME WAS GETTING UNDER WAY. SHE'S NOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN MASSACHUSETTS. WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PROSECUTION NOW AS IT LAYS OUT THE CASE AGAINST NEIL ENT WIST PELL. EMOTIONAL McFEE IS AN AUTHOR THAT HAS COVERED THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE DYNAMICS OF THE COURTROOM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE JUST STARTING TO GET SOME OF THAT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE EVIDENCE ENTERED IN THIS CASE. WE'VE SEEN NOW THE GUN THAT WAS USED TO KILL RACHEL AND LILLIAN. WE'VE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE UNMADE BED UNDER WHICH THE BODIES OF RACHEL AND LITERAL WRAN ARE CONCEALED. IT'S ONE OF THOSE CRIME PHOTOS THAT HAS TO BE SHOWN. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE. I ALL THE WHILE AM WONDERING, HOW FAR IS THIS SITTING WITH NOT ONLY THE FAMILIES OF RACHEL AND NEIL ENTWISTLE'S FAMILY, UNCLES AND GRANDPARENTS IN THIS STORY. >> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, YOU'VE SEEN ALREADY THE MOM BLOWING KISSES TO NEIL ENTWISTLE IN THE COURTROOM. DURING THE TESTIMONY WHERE THE FAMILY WAS DESCRIBED AS LOVING AND NEIL WAS DESCRIBED AS THIS DOTING DAD, HIS MOM ACTUALLY WEPT. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THE GRANDPARENTS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THIS CASE. QUESTION REMAINS. YOU KNOW, AS THE DEFENSE TRIES TO PAINT THIS PICTURE OF THIS DOTING DAD, THE QUESTION THAT A JUROR MIGHT ASK IS, WAIT A MINUTE. IF HE WAS SO LOVING, HIS FIRST RESPONSE WHEN HE FINDS HIS FAMILY DEAD IS TO FLEE THE COUNTRY? HE DIDN'T COME BACK FOR THE FAMILY'S FUNERALS AND NEITHER DID HIS PARENTS. YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE. THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH LITERALLY AND ROSE, THIS LITTLE BABY. IT RAISES A QUESTION. HOW DO NOT SHOT SNOT SHOW UP FOR THE WAKE AND FUNERAL OF YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER? >> EVERYBODY REACTS DIFFERENTLY. EVEN THOUGH MANY PEOPLE DO PUT THEMSELVES IN THE SHOES AND SAY, THAT'S NOT HOW I WOULD REACT OR GRIEVE, WE ALWAYS HOPE THAT JURIES CAN KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND ALLOW EVERYBODY TO BE THEIR INDIVIDUAL SELVES AND GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN RACHEL'S MOM WAS ON THE STAND AND WHEN RACHEL'S FRIEND WAS ON THE STAND, THEY WERE SO STOIC. THEY RECOUNTED THE HAPPENINGS OF THE DAY AND THE WEEK. THEY RECOUNTERED HOW THEY LEARNED OF THE MURDERS OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN ALMOST IN A PERFUNCTORY WAY. I EXPECTED AT ANY MOMENT, THEY WERE SO ON THE EDGE OF BREAKING DOWN, THEY WOULD SHOW THIS DEVASTATION AND THIS GRIEVING AND THEY HAVE DID NOT. THEY WERE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. IS IT THE SAME IN THE GALLERY WHEN THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE EVIDENCE LAID OUT BY THIS POLICE SERGEANT, WHO WAS ALSO PART OF PROCESSING THE CRIME SCENE? >> WHAT HAS STRUCK ME IS JUST HOW LOVING JOE MATTERAZZO IS TO HIS WIFE PRISCILLA, WHO IS CLEARLY DEVASTATED. IT'S ALMOST FAZ SHE'S GOING TO COLLAPSE WITH THE GRIEF. AND JOE MATTERAZZO HAS BEEN A ROCK. HE IS CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, RUBBING HER HAND OR HOLDING HER HAND. HE HAS A GENTLE HAND ON HER SHOULDER. IT'S VERY TELLING, I THINK, TO JUST HOW MUCH SUPPORT SHE NEEDS. AGAIN, JOE MATTERAZZO, DURING HIS TESTIMONY, SHE WAS THE ONE WHO GOT A LITTLE SHOEKD UP WHEN HE RECALLED THAT TERRIBLE NEWS HE RECEIVED AT THE HOPKINTON POLICE STATION THAT THE BODIES OF A YOUNG WOMAN AND HER BABY HAD BEEN FOUND IN BED. >> LISTEN, WE HAVE HEARD -- IN FACT, LET ME GET BETH KARRAS IN ON THIS. DIDN'T YOU SEE OR HEAR REPORTED OR GET FIRSTHAND THAT MRS. MET RAZZO COLLAPSED IN THE POLICE STATION UPON HEARING THE NEWS? MAYBE YOU COULD OUTLINE THAT FOR ME. >> Reporter: SHE WAS FILING THE OFFICIAL MISSING REPORTS. THIS WAS NOW THE SECOND DAY. NO ONE HAD HEARD FROM HER FRIDAY, SATURDAY, NOW 5:00 ON SUNDAY. THE MATTERAZZOS TOGETHER WITH JOANNA GATELY AND THE TWO GIRLFRIENDS THAT SAT VIGIL OUTSIDE THE HOUSE ALL NIGHT, MET AT THE POLICE STATION WITH THE BASSETT HOUND AND FILED THE OFFICIAL MISSING PERSONS REPORT. WHILE THEY'RE FILING IT, SERGEANT SUTTON AND DETECTIVE SCOTT VAN RAALTEN GO TO THE HOUSE. SUTTON WANTS TO CHECK IT OUT AGAIN. THE DO, ODOR LED THEM UPSTAIRS ON THE THIRD DAY AFTER THE MURDERS. THE POLICE CALL IN THEIR FIND TO THE POLICE STATION. THEY DON'T TELL THE MATTERAZZOS AND GATELIES RIGHT AWAY. THEY HAVE WAIT FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE TO COME AND HE TELLS THEM. WHAT I HAVE READ, IS THAT PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO COLLAPSED. SHE WAS EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL. VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SAW ON THE STAND. ONE EXPLANATION THAT I HAVE GIVEN BENEFIT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE, IS THAT SHE HAD THAT FLAT EFFECT THAT WE SEE OFTEN WITH RAPE VICTIMS, WHO IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH EMOTIONAL TESTIMONY, THEY GET SDPRD EMOTIONALLY REMOVE THEMSELVES AND GET THROUGH IT STOICALLY. IT COB AN EXPLANATION FOR HER PRESENTATION ON THE STAND. >> IT'S UNBELIEVABLE STUFF. I ALWAYS CRINGE WHEN I SEE TEMPERATURE A FAMILY MEMBER, ESPECIALLY A MOTHER WHO HAS TO SOMEHOW MAKE IT THROUGH HOURS AND HOURS OF TOUGH QUESTIONING. AND THEN THE CROSS-EXAMINATION BEGINS. STEPHANIE PAGE, THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY WAS EXTRAORDINARILY GENTLE WITH PRISCILLA MET RAZZO AND VERY PROFESSIONAL IN HER CROSS-EXAMINATION. IT'S MY ESTIMATION ONLY, MY HUMBLE OPINION. >>> MICHELLE, WEIGH IN FOR ME YOUR FEELINGS HERE. THE BOOK IS CALLED "HEARTLESS" SO I KNOW WHERE YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS COMING FROM HERE. I WANT TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE AND MORE CROSS-EXAMINATION AND A DEFENSE CASE THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE IS A NICE GUY AND LOVING FATHER. HE WAS BY ALL ACCOUNTS KIND AN AVERAGE, IF NOT BETTER THAN AVERAGE, FAMILY MAN. I'M WONDERING IF YOUR SEEING THIS EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY TO PAINT THE PICTURE OF A GUY WHO COULDN'T POSSIBLE BE THE MONSTER THAT COULD PERPETRATE THIS CRIME AS OPPOSED TO REFUTING EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION THE PROSECUTOR THROWS AT THEM. >> JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS A NICE GUY AND HANDSOME GUY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE IS A DARK SIDE. WE KNOW IN THE DAYS BEFORE THESE MURDERS TOOK PLACE, NEIL ENTWISTLE TROLLED THE INTERNET FOR ESCORT SERVICES, MAP QUESTED DIRECTIONS FOR A POTENTIAL SEX HOOK-UP. HE ALSO GOOGLED HOW TO KILL SOMEONE, SUICIDE, BANKRUPTCY. HERE WAS A GUY CLEARLY DISTURBED. AGAIN, IN THE AFTERMATH OF THESE MURDERS, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE THE DEFENSE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM WITH THE JOR, HE DIDN'T CALL 911. HE DIDN'T SCREAM FOR HELP. HE CALMLY AND MANAGEDICALLY GOT INTO THAT RENTED BMW AND DROVE TO LOGAN AIRPORT AND CALMLY WENT TO THE BANK AND TRIED TO TAKE AS MUCH AS MONEY AS HE COULD AND FLED TO ENGLAND. ONCE HE WAS IN ENGLAND, HE APPARENTLY SCRIBBLED A NOTE TO HIMSELF SAYING, SELL THE STORY TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. >> IS THAT STUFF IS UGLY. HE'S GOT ALL OF THE MATERIAL YOU JUST LAID OUT SO CLEARLY, MICHELLE. IVE KEEP WONDERING, IF I'M HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY, IS IT ENOUGH JUST TO TRY TO SHOW THIS JURY THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE IS A NICE GUY? I KNOW A REALLY GOOD DEFENSE ATTORNEY, I WORK WITH HIM EVERY DAY, JACK FORD. TAKE OFF YOUR PROSECUTION HAT. YOUR DEFENSE ATTORNEY HAT. IS IT ENOUGH JUST TO SHOW THE JURY, LOCK HOWL TERRIFIC THIS GUY IS. CAN YOU POSSIBLY IMAGINE HE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS GIVEN THE MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM? >> IT CAN BE ENOUGH. BECAUSE JURORS ARE TOLD YOU USE YOUR COMMON SENSE TO ASSESS TESTIMONY. DEFENSE LAWYERS WILL OFTEN SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO DO. IMAGINE YOU WERE BEING SOLD SOMETHING BY A CAR SALESMAN. YOU DECIDE NOT JUST UPON THE FACTS BUT THE SALESMAN. DO YOU REALLY TRUST HIM AND BELIEVE HEM AND BELIEVE THEY'LL COME THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY'LL SAY THEY'LL COME THROUGH WITH? I KNOW WHAT THE PROSECUTION IS SAEG. LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S COMPLETELY UNCONVERTED HERE IN THIS COURTROOM. ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE BEING A LOVING FATHER AND HUSBAND. >> LOOK AT HEM. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S THE TESTIMONY OF THE ENTWISTLE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO SAID, WE LOVE THE GUY. WE THINK HE LOVED OUR DAUGHTER AND THE CHILD. THEN YOU STAND UP AND YOU SAY TO THE JURORS, ARE YOU WILLING TO SAY GUILTY TO MURDER WHEN ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE SAID WHAT A MARVELOUS PERSON THIS WAS AND THIS GREAT RELATIONSHIP WAS. IF YOUR WRONG, YOU'RE WRONG FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. WHAT YOU NEED IS ONE JUROR TO SAY, I JUST CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO SAY HE'S GUILTY. MAYBE IF YOU'RE THE DEFENSE, YOU'RE HOPING TO GET 12 WHO WILL SAY, IN MY HEART, IN MY GUT DO I THINK IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN HIM BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY ELSE OUT THERE? YES. BUT MAYBE THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CONSIDERING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP. >> LET ME GET BETH KARRAS IN ON THIS. SHE'S READ THE ENTIRE CASE AND OBVIOUSLY COVERING THIS GAVEL TO GAVEL. BETH, IF THAT ENDS UP BEING THE ONLY DEFENSE THAT THEY CAN PUT FORWARD, THAT HE'S JUST A REALLY GOOD GUY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND IS LOVED BY EVERYONE, HOW DOES THAT STACK UP AGAINST WHAT YOU KNOW TO BE THE CASE AGAINST HIM? >> Reporter: IF THE PROSECUTION'S CASE IS BELIEVED, YOU BELIEVE ALL THE WITNESSES AND ALL THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE AND EVERYTHING POINTING TO HIM, AND THERE IS A LOT OF IT, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY GOOD DEFENSE AGAINST FIRST DEGREE MURDER CHARGES. BUT IF THE JURY IN THEIR DELIBERATIONS SNAPPED, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE, THAT HE SDMAPD GET OVERWHELMED WITH ALL HIS PROBLEMS, MAYBE IT WILL GIVE THE JURY A LITTLE ROOM TO KNOCK IT DOWN TO SECOND DEGREE MURDER. A LIGHTER SENTENCE WITH POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE AFTER 15 YEARS. MANY PEOPLE TELL ME THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NOT WITH THIS EVIDENCE. IT DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES, JURORS FIND A COMPROMISE. >> MICHELLE, DO ME ONE FAVOR AND GIVE ME YOUR SENSE OF THE INJURY'S REACTIONS TO WHAT THEY ARE LEARNING. I WILL SAY LEARNING, BECAUSE HALF, EIGHT MEMBERS OF THE JURY, ADMITTED THEY NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. AS IT ALL LAYS OUT, EIGHT PEOPLE IN THAT BOX ARE LEARNING ABOUT THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. ARE YOU GETTING ANY REACTION TO THIS DISTURBING TESTIMONY? >> WHEN JOE MATTERAZZO TESTIFIED THAT NEIL CALLED HIM REPEATEDLY AND TALKED ABOUT HOW HE WANTED THE BABY AND THE MOM BURIED TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE LEFT HIM -- OOPS, I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I FOUND THEM, I THINK THERE WAS DEFINITELY A RIPPLE THROUGH THE JURY WHEN THAT TESTIMONY TOOK PLACE. I THINK WHEN THE INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS RECOUNTED FOR THE JOR THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE TOLD AN INVESTIGATOR, I WOULD PLAN TO KILL MYSELF BUT THEN I THOUGHT IT WOULD HURT TOO MUCH. I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT A MAN AND A MAN'S CHARACTER WHEN HE ACTUALLY WOULD SAY OUT LOUD TO A COP, I WAS GOING TO KILL MYSELF BUT THEN I LOOKED AT THE KNIFE AND REALIZED IT WOULD HURT TOO MUCH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE RESOUNDING LINES THAT THE JUROR REPEATS TO HIMSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I KNOW I WOULD IF I WAS ON THE. >> ARE. >> IT'S FUNNY. EVERY TIME I HEAR ONE OF THESE ANECDOTAL PIECES OF EVIDENCE AND IT BECOMES OFFICIAL RECORD, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT STICKS AND ALONG COMES THE NEXT ONE. I CHANGE MY OPINION. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT STICK. LIKE A ONE-WAY TICKET TO ENGLAND WITH NO RETURN BAGGAGE. YOU TAKE CARE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME ON. TAKE CARE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MICHELLE McFEE. BETH WILL STAY WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. THAT'S MY BOSTON ACCENT. JACK IS SNICKERING. I'LL PUT YOU TO THE TEST NEXT BOOK. LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME. IT GETS YOU INVOLVED IN THE CRIME. DID THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO OF NEIL ENTWISTLE HELP THE DEFENSE? HE WAS THERE GETTING SOME CASH, MOVING IN THE PARKING LOT. SEEMS VERY DISAFFECTED BY ANYTHING. 88% SAY THAT'S ENOUGH TO HELP ME BELIEVE THE PROUKZ. 12%, NOT SO MUCH. WAITING TO HEAR MORE. WE LIKE WHEN YOU'RE WAITING TO HEAR ME. WE'RE GOING TO DELIVER RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK. >>> POLICE MADE A GRUESOME DISCOVERY OF THE BODIES OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE. >>> I CALLED HOPKINTON POLICE. >> DID YOU ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING? >> I ASKED THEM DISH EXPLAINED THAT I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER WAS NOT AT HOME WHERE SHE SAID SHE WOULD BE THAT DAY AND HADN'T ANSWERED THE PHONE ALL DAY. AND HASN'T ANSWERED THE DOOR FOR ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT WITH HER FRIEND. AND SHE ALWAYS -- IF SHE MADE PLANS, SHE WAS ALWAYS THERE. I ASKED IF THEY COULD GO IN THE HOUSE AND SEE IF EVERYTHING WAS OKAY. >> THAT TESTIMONY BY PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO, THE FIRST WITNESS CALLED TO THE STAND BY THE PROSECUTION, THE MOTHER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE, TALKING ABOUT HER CONCERN WHEN THEY HAVE HADN'T HEARD FROM RACHEL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. THEY DID CALL THE HOPKINTON POLICE. THE POLICE ARRIVED AND WERE THERE TWICE AT THE HOUSE BEFORE THEY DISCOVERED THE BODIES. WANT TO SHOW YOU MORE TESTIMONY. SERGEANT MICHAEL SUTTON WAS ONE OF THE OFFICERS AT THE HOUSE. HE'S TALKING NOW ABOUT THE SEARCH THEY HAVE CONDUCTED. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME LEADING TO THE DISCOVER OF THE BODIES. LET'S WATCH AND LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. >> WHEN YOU GOT ON DUTY, SIR, WHAT DID YOU DO FIRST? DID YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR ASSIGNMENT OR JUST ASSUME YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS SHIFT SUPERVISOR? >> I CHECKED THE LOG TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING SINCE I WAS LAST ON DUTY. CHECKED MY E-MAIL, ET CETERA. >> APPROXIMATELY 5:00 THAT EVENING, DID SOMEBODY COME INTO THE STATION? >> YES. >> WHO CAME IN? >> MS. GATELY, WHO KNOW I KNOW TO BE HER AND MR. AND MRS. MATTERAZZO. >> DID MS. GATELY HAVE ANYTHING WITH HER? >> SHE HAD THE DOG WHO HAD BEEN AT THE HOUSE. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THEM. >> YES. I WENT OUT TO THE LOBBY AND SPOKE WITH THEM. >> AFTER HAVING THAT OCCASION TO SPEAK WITH THEM, WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >>IVE ESCORTED THEM INTO THE CONFERENCE ROOM OFF THE LOBBY. AND INTRODUCED THEM TO GREG DEBOR. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >>IVE INSTRUCTED OFFICER DEBOR TO HELP THEM COMPLETE A MISSING PERSONS REPORT? I WENT THEN AND LOCATED DETECTIVE VAN RAALTEN. >> THAT WOULD BE DETECTIVE SCOTT VAN RAALTEN? >> DID THE TWO OF YOU SPEAK? >> YES, WE DID. >> AS A RESULT THAT HAVE CONVERSATION, WHAT IF ANYTHING DID YOU THEN DO NEXT? >>IVE THEN LEFT THE STATION AND MET OFFICER O'NEIL BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CUBS PATH. >> WHEN YOU GOT THERE, YOU SPOKE TO OFFICER O'NEIL? >> YES. >> AFTER THAT, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> WE KANSASED THE OTHER NEIGHBORS. >> BY CANVASSING THE NEIGHBORS, DESCRIBE WHAT YOU AND OFFICER O'NEIL DID? >> WENT DOOR-TO-DOOR AND SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON ANOTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THAT STREET. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK WITH ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS OR ONLY SOME? >> ONLY SOME. >> AS A RESULT OF MAKING THAT CANVAS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DID YOU AND OFFICER O'NEIL THEN DO SOMETHING NEXT. >> OFFICER O'NEIL CLEARED, WENT BACK ON PATROL. I WAS CONTACTED BY DETECTIVE VAN RAALTEN. I STAYED THERE IN THE NASHTD. >> WHAT TIME WAS THIS, SIR? >> 6:00 P.M. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, SIR? >> I WAITED AT CUBS PATH FOR OFFICER VAN RAALTEN TO ARRIVE. >> DID HE EVENTUALLY ARRIVE. >> YES. >> DID YOU AND THE DETECTIVE HAVE A CONVERSATION? >> YES. >> AS A RESULT OF THE CONVERSATION WHAT IF ANYTHING DID YOU DO. >> WE DECIDED TO REENTER THE HOUSE. >> HOW DID YOU DO THAT. >> HE HAD OBTAINED THE GARAGE DOOR CODE FROM JOANNA GATELY AT THE POLICE STATION. WE USED THAT TO GO IN THE GARAGE DOOR INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR AS WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. >> WERE YOU ABLE TO GET IN THE DOOR USING THAT CODE? >> YES. >> WHAT OBSERVATION, IF ANY DID YOU MAKE, WHILE YOU WERE IN THERE? >> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THERE. >> NO VEHICLES? >> NO VEHICLES. >> WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU HAD BEEN IN THERE? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO? >> WE WENT INTO A FINISHED AREA OF THE BASEMENT? >> WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT INTO THE BASEMENT? >> MADE OUR WAY TO THE FIRST FLOOR. >> AS YOU FIRST ENTERED THE BASEMENT, WHAT, IF ANYING, DID YOU OBSERVE OR NOTICE? >> I NOTICED A SLIGHT ODOR IN THE BASEMENT. >> DO YOU SPEAK TO DETECTIVE VAN RAALTEN ABOUT THAT? >> I MENTIONED IT TO HIM. >> AFTER THAT WHERE DID YOU GO? >> WE WENT TO THE FLIRT FLOOR. >> WHEN YOU GOT UP TO THE FIRST FLOOR, WHAT DID YOU NOTICE? >> THE ODOR WAS STRONGER AND IT WAS AN ODOR NOT PRESENT WHEN I WAS THERE THAT NIGHT BEFORE. >> OTHER THAN THAT ODOR, THE CONDITION OF THE FIRST FLOOR WHEN YOU GOT THERE, WAS IT ANY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE TELEVISION, THE LIGHTING AND THE LOCATION OF ITEMS, ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAD SEEN WHEN YOU HAD LAST LEFT THE EVENING BEFORE? >> EVERYTHING APPEARED THE WAY I HAD LEFT IT. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT, SIR? >> WE DIDN'T STAY ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS PLANNED. WE CONTINUED UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR. BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE ODOR. >> WHERE DID YOU LAND WHEN YOU GOT TO THE SECOND FLOOR, TOP OF THE STAIRS. >> TOP OF THE STAIRS IN THE HALLWAY, YES, SIR. >> WHERE DID YOU GO NEXT? >> WE THEN WENT INTO THE MASTER BEDROOM. >> DID THE BOTH OF YOU ENTER -- >> WE BOTH ENTERED THE MASTER BEDROOM. >> WHO ENTERED FIRST. >> I DON'T RECALL. BUT WE BOTH WERE IN THE ROOM AT THE SAME TIME. >> DID YOU GO TO ANY PARTICULAR PLACE ONCE YOU ENTERED? >> I WENT LEFT AS I CAME IN THE DOING, WALKING ACROSS THE FOOT OF THE BED. >> WHAT ABOUT DETECTIVE VAN RAALTEN? >> HE WENT INTO THE BATHROOM. >> SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT THE POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD LEAD THEM TO DISCOVERY THE BODY. LET'S CHECK IN WITH WENDY MURPHY WHO'S BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO SPEND TIME WITH US TODAY. LET ME GO BACK. I WANT TO ASK YOU HOW YOU HANDLE IT IN THE COURTROOM. THIS DECISION MADE BY NEIL ENTWISTLE NOT TO COME BACK FOR THE FUNERAL OF THE WIFE AND THE CHILD. I IMAGINE IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR, IS THAT SOMETHING YOUR GO TO JUMP ALL OVER WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR YOUR CLOSING ARGUMENT? WENDY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WE DON'T HAVE YOUR MIKE. I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY LOOKING AFTER THE AFTER THE FACT CONDUCT OF PEOPLE, LET ME BRING ASHLEY INTO THE CONVERSATION. AFTER THE FACT CONDUCT. >> HE'S GUILTY. I'M SORRY, IS THERE A CONVERSATION? >> YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT CINDY SUMMER. CONVICTED IN LARGE PART, LARGE PART I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, BASED UPON A JURY'S INTERPRETATION OF HER AFTER THE FACT CONDUCT. >> THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. SINTDY SUMMER DID THINGS AFTER THE DEATH OF HER HUSBAND THAT WAS UNBECOMING A WIDOW. SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SPECTACULAR SPECIFIC TO THAT NIGHT HE DIED. SHE GOT HER BOBBS DONE, PARTIED LEAK A ROCK STAR HAD SOME THREESOMES. SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAD THAT LIFESTYLE BEFORE HE DECIDE. >> SHE SEEMED JOVIAL AT HIS FUNERAL. >> EVERYBODY GRIEVES IN DIFFERENT WAYS. >> YOU WONDER HOW MUCH OF THAT GRIEVING IN DIFFERENT WAYS. >> HOW ABOUT THIS? WHEN CINDY SUMMER IN TRIAL SUFFERED THE HORRIFIC TRAGEDY SHE DID, WHEN HER HUSBAND DIED IN HER ARMS WHILE SHE WAS ON THE PHONE TO 911 TRYING TO SAVE HIM, SHE DIDN'T DROP THE BODY, RACE OFF TO THE AIRPORT AND GET ON A PLANE OR GOD FORGRID EVEN TAKE OUT FOUR KIDS THEY HAD OR FIVE, SHE HAD FOUR OF HER ONE AND ONE TOGETHER. SHE DIDN'T KILL ANY OF THE CHILDREN. >> VERY EMOTIONAL. REMEMBER THE 911 PHONE CALL SHE WAS MAKING. THIS UNDERSTORES MY POINT. AFTER THE FACT CONDUCT. WHO KNOWS WHAT IT MEAN? IS THAT ENOUGH TO BASE A CONVICTION ON? IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL GET OUR BUDDY WENDY MURPHY BACK WITH US. SHE HAS SOMETHING GOOD TO SAY. SHE'LL STAY WITH US FOR THE BALANCE OF OUR SESSION. WE HAVE TO FIT IN A BREAK, AND AS WE DO, WE'VE BEEN WATCHING INSIDE THE COURTROOM. HOW IS THIS PLAYING OUT IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION? E-MAIL US WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND OBSERVATIONS. SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT US TO INTEREST ARE. LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME. MAKE SURE IT'S INTERESTING AND COMPELLING AND MAYBE WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AIR FOR YOU. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> HI, EVERYBODY. WELCOME BACK TO "BANFIELD & FORD."E BACK TO "BANFIELD & WE'RE IN SESSION.BANFIELD & I'M ASHLEIGH BANFIELD.ELD & >> I'M JACK FORD.IELD.ELD & WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INSIDE THAT COURTROOM. LOOKING INSIDE THAT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE T LAST COUPLE DAYS BY THE THE T PROSECUTION.DAYS BY THE THE T >> THE ONES I SAW TODAY SORT OF MADE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. AS IF THE CASE ITSELF DIDN'T MAKE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE BUT SEEING THE .22 HANDGUN THAT WAS USED TO KILL A MOM AND BABY AND SEEING THE BED WITH THE COMFORTER KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH THE BODIES ARE UNDERNEATH THAT COMFORTER. I CAN'T IMAGINE BEING IN THAT COURTROOM AND KNOWING THAT THE FAMILY MEMBERS, THE GRANDPARENTS ON BOTH SIDES ARE WATCHING EXACTLY THOSE PICTURES AS THEY COME OUT IN EVIDENCE. >> SO TOUGH TO LOOK AT. IMAGINE THE POOR PEOPLE THAT SEARCHED THE HOUSE THE FIRST TIME AND DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE BODIES IN THAT BED. >> THAT'S REMARKABLE. >> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. IT WOULDN'T HAVE SAVED ANYBODY BUT IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS THEY SAY WE WISH WE HAD FOUND IT THEN. >> OR THANK GOD I DIDN'T. THANK GOD THE POLICE FOUND THEM. JOINING ME OUTSIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE IS BETH KARAS, OUR CORRESPONDENT FOLLOWING THE STORY. FOR A BRAND NEW AUDIENCE AND NEW HOUR, MAYBE YOU COULD GET US CAUGHT UP ON THE TESTIMONY. THERE IS A BREAK RIGHT NOW. >> THREE WITNESSES TESTIFIED TODAY. A LITTLE SLOWER PACE THAN THE PREVIOUS DAY BECAUSE NINE OR TEN WITNESSES TESTIFIED ON THE FIRST DAYS TWO AND THREE OF THE TRIAL. REALLY IMPORTANT WITNESSES. A SERGEANT FROM THE HOPKINTON POLICE DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT HIS VISIT TO THE HOUSE, THE WEEKEND THE WHOLE FAMILY WAS MISSING ON THAT SECOND DAY WHEN HE RETURNED. HE FINDS THE BODIES OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN IN THE MASTER BEDROOM. TWO WITNESSES AFTER HIM A CRIME SCENE SERVICES PERSON FROM MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE SAGT MARY RICHIE TESTIFIED ABOUT DETAILS OF THE BODY IN THE BED HOW THEY WERE COVERED WITH A SHEET AND A COMFORTER. SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING WAS PHOTOGRAPHED AND VIDEOTAPED FIRST AND THEN THE FIRST LAYER OF THE COMFORTER IS REMOVED AND SHE DESCRIBED WHAT SHE SAW, WHICH WAS A PILLOW OVER THE BABY'S HEAD, WHICH PARTIALLY COVERED RACHEL ENTWISTLE'S HEAD. RACHEL ENTWISTLE WAS COVERED WITH A SHEET. A PILLOW IS REMOVED. SHE SAW BRUISING ON THE BABY'S FACE AROUND THE EYES AND MIDDLE OF THE FACE. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE AFFECTS OF THE TIME LENGTH THREE DAYS OR SO THAT THEY HAD BEEN IN THAT BED HAVING BEEN SHOT AND THE DECOMPOSITION SETTING IN. THEN REMOVING THE SHEETS. RACHEL ENTWISTLE IS IN PAJAMAS AND THE BABY IS IN A SLEEPER AND T-SHIRT. THEY FIND PUNCTURE WOUNDS IN THE T-SHIRT, THE SLEEPER OF THE BABY, FRONT AND BACK, GOING INTO THE SHIRT OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE SO A BULLET WE'LL HEAR LATER MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT THAT PENETRATES THE BODY AND GOES INTO THE CHEST OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE ABOVE THE LEFT BREAST. AND THAT BULLET WAS INTACT WE'LL HEAR LATER. IT WAS USED TO COMPARE TO A BULLET FIRED FROM THE .22 CALIBER WHICH IS THE MURDER WEAPON. >> DO ME A FAVOR AND CLEAR UP SOMETHING FOR ME. THERE WERE THINGS I HAVE SEEN IN TESTIMONY THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE THAT I THOUGHT WERE STRANGE. ONE OF THEM WAS THAT THE BABY APPEARED TO -- ONE OF THE TROOPERS ORIGINALLY WHO HAD GIVEN A STATEMENT THAT THE BABY APPEARED TO BE BEATEN OR BRUISED IN THE FACE. I THINK IN TESTIMONY TODAY WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THAT PERHAPS MIGHT JUST BE THE PROCESS THAT PLAYED OUT AND THAT THERE WAS NO ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WAS ANY ASSAULT ON THIS CHILD BEFORE THE CHILD WAS SHOT, CORRECT? >> WELL, WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT TODAY HAD TO DO WITH RACHEL AND NOT LILLIAN. I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT. THERE WASN'T ANY ALLEGATIONS OF BRUISING HOWEVER IT HAD BEEN REPEATED IN AFFIDAVITS SIGNED BY THE POLICE OFFICERS AND TROOPERS REFERRING TO BRUISING ON THE BABY. NO DEFENSIVE WOUNDS ON RACHEL ENTWISTLE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY SIGNS OF A STRUGGLE IN THE HOUSE. NO SIGNS OF A STRUGGLE. I DO THINK THAT ONCE THERE IS MEDICAL TESTIMONY WE'LL HEAR THAT EXPLANATION FOR THE DISCOLORATION ON THE BABY'S FACE. >> SOMETHING ELSE I HADN'T HEARD BEFORE AND STARTED TO SEE AS TESTIMONY PLAYED OUT WAS ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS HEARD BATH WATER OR SAW OR HEARD THAT A BATH WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING RUN AND MAYBE HE MISSPOKE BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXTREMELY ODD THAT A BAD WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING. AND THAT CLASSICAL MUSIC WAS PLAYING VERY, VERY LOUD IN THE NURSERY. CAN YOU CLEAR UP THAT WHOLE DESCRIPTION? >> THERE WAS CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING IN THE BABY'S ROOM AND I DON'T RECALL HEARING A DESCRIPTION OF HOW LOUD IT IS BUT I BELIEVE ON THE CRIME SCENE VIDEO WE'LL HEAR IT. AND MAYBE IT IS INDEED LOUD AND THAT'S WHY MICHAEL WANTS THE JURY TO HEAR IT. THE WATER IS NOT RUN BUG IT'S IN THE TUB. IN A BATHROOM UPSTAIRS. NOT THE MASTER BATHROOM BUT ANOTHER BATHROOM. I READ BUT DID NOT HEAR A DESCRIPTION OF THE BABY TOYS AROUND THE TUB THAT THE BABY WAS ABOUT TO BE GIVEN A BATH. NO DESCRIPTION OF THE WATER BEYOND WATER IN THE TUB AND AGAIN I HAD READ THAT THERE WERE TOYS. I DID NOT HEAR IT IN TESTIMONY. >> WENDY, ONE OF THE THINGS JACK WAS ASKING JUST BEFORE WE HAD OUR MICROPHONE MALFUNCTION IS THE ACTIONS OF NEIL ENTWISTLE AFTER THE KILLING. I'M NOT GOING SAY HIS KILLING, THE KILLING. SOMEBODY KILLED RACHEL AND LILLIAN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS HIM OR NOT. HIS ACTIONS POST-KILLING WERE EXTREMELY CURIOUS AND LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK LIST. THIS ISN'T EVEN EVERYTHING. JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. HE SAYS HE JUST DISCOVERED IT. COVERED UP THE BODIES AND LEFT. AND THEN HE FLEES THE COUNTRY. ONE WAY TICKET. NO BAGGAGE. HE LIED TO HIS PARENTS AND TO THE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES AS TO WHAT HE SAID AND DIRECT EVIDENCE. HE DIDN'T ATTEND A FUNERAL SENT SOME CARDS AND FLOWERS. HE WAS DISCOVERED BY POLICE IN ENGLAND TO HAVE SOME HANDWRITTEN NOTES ON HIM SUGGESTING HE WANTED TO SELL HIS STORY TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER AND A ESCORT SERVICE PAGE IN HIS PHONE BOOK. ALL OF THE ACTIONS -- EACH ONE IS DESPICABLE. ALL TOGETHER OVERWHELMING? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, ASHLEIGH, IT'S SO OVERWHELMING I'M NOT SURE IF I WERE THE PROSECUTOR I WOULD MAKE MUCH OF IT DURING CLOSING ARGUMENTS BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF STUFF THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND LOUDLY THAT IF YOU SAY TOO MUCH IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE UNFAIR. THAT'S HOW STRONG I THINK THIS IS. NOW IN MASSACHUSETTS I'VE BEEN A PROSECUTOR AND WORKED WITH MICHAEL FABBRI 20 YEARS AGO. HE'S VERY METHODICAL. HE'S PUTTING ALL OF THESE PIECES IN. YOU CAN BET THE JURY IS ALREADY PUTTING SOME OF THOSE VERY FACTS TOGETHER THEMSELVES. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO PLAYBOOK ON HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ACT AFTER YOU FIND YOUR WIFE AND BABY EXECUTED IN THEIR BED BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH IF THERE WERE SUCH PLAYBOOK THIS COULDN'T BE A FOOTNOTE ON THE LAST PAGE. IT'S NOT JUST HIS STRANGE BEHAVIOR WHICH WILL ABSOLUTELY LEAD TO A CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT INSTRUCTION IN MASSACHUSETTS I CAN GUARANTEE YOU BUT IT WAS ALSO A LACK OF EMOTION. REMEMBER, WE HAVE PICTURES OF HIM AT THE ATM MACHINE ONLY HOURS AFTER HE SAW THESE BODIES ACCORDING TO HIS OWN TESTIMONY AND HE'S COOL AS A KUK CUCUMBER. IT'S NOT JUST THE ROBBER WHO FLED THE SCENE WHICH IS CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT ENOUGH. THERE IS NOTHING THIS GUY DID CONSISTENT WITH INNOCENCE. >> LET'S ADD TO THAT THAT THE PICTURE OF HIM AT THE ATM AT LOGAN GETTING MONEY OR GOING INTO THE PARKADE WITH A FLAT AFFECT MAY NOT SPEAK VOLUMES LIKE HAVING A HANDWRITTEN NOTE SAYING YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR STORY TO WHOEVER WILL PAY YOU THE MOST BUT NOT BEFORE YOU GET A LITTLE MOMENT WITH AN ESCORT THE LIKES OF WHICH YOU HAVEN'T CHOSEN FROM THE BIG LIST IN YOUR POCKET WHEN THE POLICE ARREST YOU. WENDY, HOLD ON FOR A MOMENT IF YOU WILL. COMING UP WE'LL HEAR FROM ONE OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS WHO HAD THE JOB TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE SMELL IN THE HOUSE TO THE BED AND DISCOVERED THE BODIES OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN. YOU'LL HEAR EXACTLY HOW THAT ALL PLAYED OUT IN JUST A MOMENT. >> THE DEFENDANT SAYS HE GOES UPSTAIRS AND FROM THE VANTAGE POINT OF THE BEDROOM ENTRY WAY HE COULD SEE RACHEL. SHE LOOKED ASLEEP, HE SAID. HE CLAIMED HE COULD SEE BUBBLES ON LILLIE AND A HOLE ON LILLIE. THERE WAS ONLY ONE TRUE VERDICT IN THIS CASE. AND ONE MURDER IN THIS CASE. AND THAT IS THE DEFENDANT. >> SERGEANT MICHAEL SUTTON HAD THIS WITNESS HAD BEEN AT THE HOME PREVIOUSLY. HE CAME BACK A SECOND TIME. HE ALREADY TOLD THE JURORS THAT WHEN HE CAME HE WAS CHECK ISSING OUT EVERYTHING AND THIS TIME HE NOTICED AN ODOR HE HADN'T NOTICED BEFORE AS WE PICK UP HIS TESTIMONY NOW HE'S FOLLOWING THAT ODOR TO THE BEDROOM. >> HE INITIALLY WENT INTO THE BATHROOM. >> DID YOU GET OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BED? >> YES, I DID. >> DID YOU MAKE NOEX ANY OBSERVATIONS OF THE FLOOR AREA ON THAT SIDE OF THE BED? >> I NOTICED A PAIR OF WHAT APPEARED TO BE READING GLASSES AS WELL AS WHAT APPEARED TO BE A WOMAN'S WRIST WATCH ON THE CARPET NEXT TO THE BED. >> HAD YOU NOTICED THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE? >> NO. I COULD NOT HAVE SEEN THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE FROM MY VANTAGE POINT. >> WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I THEN LIFTED THE CORNER OF A COMFORTER CLOSEST TO ME. >> HOW HIGH DID YOU LIFT THAT? >> I DIDN'T LIFT IT VERY HIGH. APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES TO A FOOT AT THE MOST. >> WHAT IF ANYTHING DID YOU OBSERVE WHEN YOU LIFTED THAT CORNER OF THE COMFORTER? >> I OBSERVED WHAT APPEARED TO BE AN ADULT FOOT. >> WHAT DID YOU DO THEN, SIR? >> I LOWERED THE COME FORER. I CALLED A DETECTIVE TO COME TO ME. >> DID HE COME OVER THERE? >> YES, HE DID. >> I LOOKED AT IT THE SECOND TIME THE SAME WAY AS THE FIRST TIME TO SHOW HIM WHAT I HAD SEEN. >> WHAT HAPPENED NEXT? WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WE THEN BOTH MADE OUR WAY TO THE OPPOSITE CORNER OF THE BED. >> BEFORE LEAVING DID YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THAT COMFORTER THAT YOU LIFTED THE SECOND TIME? >> I RETURNED IT TO THE SAME POSITION IT WAS IN BEFORE I TOUCHED IT. >> WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU LOWERED IT BEFORE THE DETECTIVE CAME OVER? DID YOU LOWER IT TO THE SAME POSITION OR DIFFERENT POSITION? >> I LIFTED IT STRAIGHT UP AND LOWERED IT BACK DOWN TO THE SAME POSITION. I DID THAT TWICE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND TIME? >> APPROXIMATELY THE SAME HEIGHT. SIX INCHES TO A FOOT. >> AND YOU SAID THAT YOU AND THE DETECTIVE THEN WENT TO ANOTHER CORNER OF THE BED? >> THE OPPOSITE CORNER FROM WHERE WE SAW THE FOOT. >> THIS WOULD BE THE HEAD OF THE BED? >> YES. >> WHERE IS THAT AREA IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE LAMP THAT YOU MENTIONED? >> IT WOULD BE NEXT TO THE LAMP. >> WHEN YOU GOT THERE, WHAT IF ANYTHING DID YOU DO? >> I THEN LIFTED THE COMFORTER IN THAT CORNER IN A SIMILAR MANNER AS I DID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BED. >> WHAT DID YOU SEE WHEN YOU LIFTED THAT? >> I FIRST OBSERVED A SMALL BABY'S FACE. >> WHAT PORTION OF THE FACE COULD YOU SEE? >> I WAS LOOKING DOWN AT THE TOP OF THE HEAD, FOREHEAD, EYES, NOSE. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? >> AS I CONTINUED TO RAISE THE COMFORTER SLIGHTLY MORE, I LOOKED TO THE RIGHT OF THE BABY'S FACE AND SAW A WOMAN'S FACE. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? >> I HELD THE COMFORTER UP FOR A COUPLE OF SECONDS WHILE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE DETECTIVE. I LOWERED THE COMFORTER TO THE EXACT SAME POSITION IT HAD BEEN IN BEFORE. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU AND THE DETECTIVE DO NEXT? >> WE THEN IMMEDIATELY LEFT THE BEDROOM AND RETURNED TO THE FORIER. >> OTHER THAN THE TWO CORNERS OF THE COMFORTER THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED TOUCHING THEM IN THE MANNER YOU DESCRIBED, DID YOU DO OR TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE UPSTAIRS IN THAT MASTER BEDROOM OR IN THE SECOND FLOOR? >> NO. >> WHAT ROUTE DID YOU TAKE WHEN YOU LEFT THE MASTER BEDROOM AND WENT DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR? >> WE WENT FROM THE MASTER BEDROOM TO THE TOP OF THE STAIRS AND STOOD ON THE INSIDE OF THE FRONT DOOR. >> WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT THERE? >> WE BOTH MADE PHONE CALLS. >> HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? >> A COUPLE OF MINUTES. >> WHAT DID YOU DO NEXT? >> WE THEN BOTH AGREED WE NEEDED TO SEARCH THE HOUSE MORE THAN IT HAD BEEN FOR A POSSIBLE THIRD VICTIM. >> DESCRIBE WHAT YOU DID. >> I THEN WENT THROUGH EACH ROOM. I ACTUALLY LOOKED BEHIND THINGS AND IN CLOSETS FOR EXAMPLE THAT I HADN'T DONE PREVIOUSLY. >> WHAT FLOOR OR FLOORS DID YOU DO THAT ON? >> I DID THAT ON MOST OF THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. >> WHAT ABOUT THE DETECTIVE? WHERE DID HE GO? >> I BELIEVE HE CHECKED PARTS OF THOSE FLOORS WITH ME AND HE WENT TO THE BASEMENT AND HE ALSO CHECKED THE ATTIC. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ROOMS AND CLOSETS NEXTND RETURND TO THE FRONT DOOR. >> INSIDE OR OUTSIDE? >> INSIDE. >> AND IN MAKING THOSE ADDITIONAL OBSERVATIONS GOING INTO THOSE AREAS, CLOSETS AND THE LIKE, DID YOU SEE OR FIND ANYONE ELSE? >> NO. >> WHAT DID YOU AND THE DETECTIVE DO WHEN YOU GOT BACK TO THE FRONT DOORWAY FRONT AREA? >> WE STOOD BY UNTIL OTHER PEOPLE ARRIVED AND MAINTAINED SECURITY ON THE SCENE. >> MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL PHONE CALLS? >> WE MADE A SERIES OF PHONE CALLS. I DON'T RECALL TODAY IF I MADE THEM ALL PRIOR TO THE SEARCH FOR THE THIRD POSSIBLE VICTIM AND IF I MADE MOST OF THEM PRIOR AND ONE AFTER BUT THERE WERE OTHER PHONE CALLS MADE AT THAT TIME. I KNOW HE MADE SOME AFTERWARDS. >> SO THE SERGEANT TALKING ABOUT THAT OBVIOUSLY VERY DISTURBING DISCOVERY THAT THEY HAD MADE. LET ME JUMP BACK OUT TO WENDY MURPHY FOR A SECOND HERE. THIS QUESTION CAME FROM ONE OF OUR VIEWERS. THEY NOTED THAT WHENEVER THERE'S A SIDE BAR CONFERENCE THE DEFENDANT NEIL ENTWISTLE GETS UP WITH HIS LAWYERS AND GOES TO THE SIDE TO THE BENCH LISTENS IN TO WHAT THE JUDGE AND LAWYERS HAS TO SAY AND WALKS BACK WITH EVERYBODY. IS THAT UNUSUAL FOR THIS STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT BEFORE? >> IT IS UNUSUAL, JACK. IT'S A STRATEGY THAT I'M SURE CREATED BY ELLIOT'S REQUEST GRANTED BY THE JUDGE NOT SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN BEFORE OR SOMETHING THAT I WAS EVER EXPERIENCING AS A PROSECUTOR IN THIS VERY COUNTY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO BE THERE BUT OUT OF AN EXERCISE OF CAUTION AND IN MURDER TRIALS JUDGES TRY TO GO TO THAT EXTRA MILE AND DO WHATEVER THE DEFENSE ASKS, I THINK SHE'S JUST PROTECTING THE RECORD. IT'S STRANGE. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S STRATEGICALLY DESIGNED TO MAKE THE JURY FEEL BETTER ABOUT NEIL. I JUST DON'T KNOW. THE JUDGE LIKES HIM ENOUGH TO LET HIM UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW. IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AT THE END OF THE DAY IN THIS CASE. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T. I DON'T REMEMBER IT HAPPENING EXCEPT FOR SOME INSTANCES IN VIR JURY VOIR DIRE WHERE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO TALK IN FRONT OF THE JURORS. I FIND IT A BIT AWKWARD IF THEY WERE THERE. WENDY, WILL STAY WITH US. WE CONTINUE TO APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE HERE. WE'LL FIT IN A QUICK BREAK. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE TERM IS CALLED FAMILY ANILE ATEORS. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE? WE'LL TALK TO A MAN DESCRIBED AS THE NATION'S FOREMOST CRIMINOLOGIST WHEN WE RETURN. DON'T GO AWAY. >> HE SAID HE RETURNED HOME AROUND 11:00. WHEN HE GOT THERE HE WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE AND THEN HE WENT INSIDE THE HOUSE AND HE CALLED UP TO RACHEL AND THERE WAS NO ANSWER. AND SO HE SAID HE STARTED TO CLEAN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, CLEAN THE HOUSE BASICALLY. >> DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE SAID HE DID NEXT? >> THEN HE SAID HE WENT UPSTAIRS AND HE WENT UPSTAIRS AND FOUND RACHEL AND LILLIE SHOT AND -- >> DID HE DESCRIBE IT IN A PARTICULAR WAY? >> THAT'S ALL HE SAID. HE SAID IT WAS JUST A BIG MESS. >> SO DID NEIL ENTWISTLE IN FACT KILL HIS WIFE AND BABY DAUGHTER? THIS MURDER TRIAL WE'RE WATCHING IN MASSACHUSETTS WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IF THE JURY CONCLUDES THAT HE DID, HE WILL THEN JOIN A LONG LIST OF PERFECT HUSBANDS WHO SHOCKED THE CONSCIOUS OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY COMMIT THAT ULTIMATE BETRAYAL, MURDER IN THE FAMILY. THESE MEN ARE SOMETIMES CALL FAMILY ANILEORS. WHO CAN FORGET SCOTT PETERSON? TODAY HE SITS ON DEATH ROW FOR HIS CRIME. WHEN LAURIE HACKING DISAPPEARED HER FAMILY DIDN'T SUSPECT THAT MARK WAS INVOLVED. THEY WERE SHOCKED TO DISCOVER THAT MARK WAS LIVING A LIE. HE WAS NOT IN MEDICAL SCHOOL. NEVER GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE. WORST SHOCK CAME WHEN MARK HACKING CONFESSED TO MURDERING LAURIE AND FLOWING HER BODY IN A DUMPSTER. HE'S SERVING TIME IN PRISON FOR THAT MURDER CHARGE AND ALSO ANOTHER FAMOUS CASE A HUSBAND ACCUSED OF KILLING HIS PREGNANT WIFE. AUTHORITIES BELIEVE THAT IN 1989 CHARLES STEWART SHOT HIS PREGNANT WIFE IN THE HEAD AND TURNED THE GUN ON HIMSELF BUT ONLY TO THROW POLICE OFF OF THE TRACK. WHEN HIS STORY ABOUT A BLACK STRANGER ROBBING THEM FELL APART, SO DID HE. HE JUMPED OFF A BRING AND DROWN. JEFFREY McDONALD IN 1979 CONVICTED IN THE STABBING DEATH OF HIS WIFE AND TWO LITTLE DAUGHTERS. A JURY DID NOT BUY HIS STORY THAT DRUG CRAZED HIPIES ATTACKED HIS FAMILY. LIKE STEWART EVIDENCE SUGGESTED THAT HIS WOUNDS WERE SELF-INFLICTED TO THROW POLICE OFF TRACK. THE McDONALD'S CASE WAS SENSATIONALIZED IN A MOVIE 30 YEARS LATER. FROM HIS PRISON CELL HE STILL CLAIMS HE'S INNOCENT. JOINING US NOW FROM OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THIS, A MAN DESCRIBED AS THE NATION'S FOREMOST CRIMINOLOGIST. AN INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN HOMICIDE EXPERT AND CRIMINOLOGIST AND AUTHOR OF SOME 16 BOOKS INCLUDING THE WILL TO KILL MAKING SENSE OF SENSELESS MURDER AND EXTREME KILLING UNDERSTANDING SERIAL AND MASS MURDER. THANKS FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US HERE. I'M GOING ASK YOU TO SERVE AS OUR PROFESSOR. SOMETHING THAT YOU DO QUITE WELL UP THERE IN BOSTON AND ASK YOU TO HELP US UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS AND HOW THEY MIGHT APPLY HERE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THE GUILT OR INNOCENCE OF NEIL ENTWISTLE HERE. LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT CONCEPT. FAMILY ANILE ATEORS. IT'S A COMPELLING TERM. WHAT WOULD CHARACTERIZE SOMEBODY AND THE REASONS WHY SOMEBODY WOULD ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF CONDUCT. >> WELL, MANY OF THESE ARE ARROGANT MEN WHO DON'T SEE THE LIMITS OF THE POWER THEY BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE OVER THEIR FAMILIES. THEY DICTATE. THEY CONTROL. EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES EVEN THEIR FATE. OFTEN TIMES THESE ARE MANIPULATIVE CON MEN WHO THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH MURDER. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE OVERCONFIDENCE OF A SOCIOPATH, OF THE SHELL OF A MAN TO BELIEVE THEY CAN FOOL US ALL AND INDEED THEY DO FOOL THEIR LIVES AND IN-LAWS WITH THEIR FAKE SINCERITY AND THEIR SIMULATED NOTION OF LOVE UNTIL SAT AT SOME POINT WHERE MURDER IS NO LONGER IN THEIR PLANS. I'LL JUST GET DIVORCED. MURDER IS QUICKER THAN DIVORCE. AND CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF THEIR IMAGE AND IMAGE IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO THESE MEN, BEING A WIDOWER OR A DOUBLE WIDOWER IF A CHILD IS INVOLVED IS SURELY MUCH MORE ENHANCING FOR YOUR IMAGE PARTICULARLY WITH WOMEN AND SINGLES BARS THAN IF YOU'RE A DIVORCED MAN WITH A YOUNG CHILD BECAUSE THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DAMAGED GOODS. >> INTERESTING. SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED WE WERE SEEING SOME TAPE THERE OF SCOTT PETERSON AND SO MUCH OF THAT DESCRIBES EXACTLY WHAT THE PROSECUTION WAS ARGUING IN THE SCOTT PETERSON CASE AND OBVIOUSLY THE JURY AGREED WITH THEM ON ALL OF THAT. LET ME LOOK AT SOME OF THE FACTS HERE. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO WEIGH IN WITH A CONCLUSION BUT TALK ABOUT HOW IT COULD FIT IN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE REFERENCED HERE IS ALL OF THE WITNESSES, INCLUDING THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIMS, HAVE SAID NEIL ENTWISTLE APPEARED TO BE A LOVING HUSBAND. AND EQUALLY LOVING FATHER ENGAGED IN HIS FAMILY AND TO ALL OUTWARD APPEARANCES ALMOST THE PERFECT HUSBAND/FATHER. IS THAT SORT OF CHARACTERIZATION INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF THESE FAMILY ANILE ATEORS? >> NOT AT ALL. THESE MEN VERY GOOD AT PLAYING AN ACT. THEY LOOK PERFECT. MORE PERFECT THAN US GOOD HUSBANDS. IT IS AN ACT. IT IS A SHELL. THEY'RE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO STUNNED. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO SURPRISED. EVEN THEIR SPOUSES DON'T BELIEVE THEM. CAN'T BELIEVE IT. THEY'RE DEAD BUT PRIOR TO THEIR MURDER, THEY BUY INTO THE WHOLE IMAGE. THEY BUY INTO THEIR LIVES. AND TO SHOW YOU HOW IMPORTANT IMAGE IS YOU LOOK AT ENTWISTLE, GENERALLY MEN WHO ARE FINANCIALLY STRAPPED MEMBERS OF THE UNEMPLOYED CLASS DON'T DRIVE BMWs AND THEY DON'T RENT THESE BIG HOMES IN THE SUBURBS. APPEARANCES. IMAGE. THAT'S REALLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FEELINGS AND THE LIVES OF THEIR FAMILY. >> THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY FROM THE ABUSIVE SPOUSE THAT WE'VE COME TO SEE AND IN OUR MINDS PROBABLY WE SAY IF SOMEBODY KILLED THEIR WIFE AND DAUGHTER MUST HAVE BEEN ABUSIVE AND OVERTLY SO. NOT NECESSARILY SO? >> THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF ANGER MANAGEMENT. THIS IS AN ISSUE OF IMAGE MANAGEMENT. THERE ARE LOTS OF CASES, FAR TOO MANY CASES OF MEN WHO CONTINUALLY ABUSE THEIR WIVES AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEY SEE THEM AS PUNCHING BAGS WHEN THEY'RE ANGRY. AT SOME POINT THAT ABUSE CERTAINLY CAN ESCALATE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY FEEL IT'S WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO KILL THEM. MAYBE IT'S IN THE HEAT OF PASSION ANY WAY. THESE ARE NOT HEAT OF PASSION MURDERS. THESE ARE COLD CALCULATED DECISIONS BY MEN WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING OFTEN TIMES TRY TO COVER UP AFTERWARDS. THEY DON'T CALL THE POLICE AND SAY I DID IT COME GET ME. THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF ALIBIS BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO BE MARRIED ANYMORE AND THEY FEEL THAT THEIR NEED AND DESIRE SOOB FREE OF ALL OF THESE OBLIGATIONS TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WITH WHOM THEY APPARENTLY LOVE. IN THESE CASES DO WE SEE CERTAIN SIMILAR TRIGGERING FACTORS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE THIS PERSON THAT YOU DESCRIBED FOR US AND GETS THEM TO THAT NEXT TRAGIC STEP WHERE HE THEN DOES ACTUALLY TAKE THE LIVES OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS? >> WELL, WHAT TRIGGERS IT IS THE POINT AT WHICH THE WIFE, THE CHILD, NO LONGER SERVES THEIR PURPOSES AND THEIR NEEDS. THEY LOVE YOU NOT FOR WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. YOUR QUALITIES. THEY LOVE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THEM. AND WHEN YOU NO LONGER FIT INTO THEIR PLAN, WHEN YOU BECOME A LIABILITY AS OPPOSED TO A BENEFIT TO THEIR LIFE, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE EXPENDABLE. CERTAINLY THERE ARE LOTS OF MEN IN THAT SITUATION WHO DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT MURDER IS WITHIN THEM AND THEY WILL FILE FOR DIVORCE AND PERHAPS THEY'LL BE CALLUS ABOUT IT IN DIVORCE COURT TAKING EVERYTHING THEY CAN GET. BUT THERE IS A SMALL SELECT GROUP OF MEN WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO FEELING OF REMORSE ABOUT IT AND IT IS JUST EASIER. IT'S NOT AS MESSY TO KILL THAN IT WOULD BE TO GET A LAWYER LIKE WENDY HERE AND SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY TO GO THROUGH THE COURT AND HAVE TO PAY ALIMONY AND CHILD SUPPORT AND LOOK LIKE A REAL JERK IN THE PROCESS. THEY WANT TO LOOK CLEAN. THEY WANT TO LOOK POSITIVE. AND BEING THE GRIEVING WIDOWER WHO IS SUFFERING BECAUSE THEIR WIFE AND CHILD HAS BEEN BURIED AND THEY CRY LIKE CHARLES STEWART DID IN MASSACHUSETTS AND PLAY THE PART OF A PERSON WHO SHOULD HAVE OUR SYMPATHY AND NOT OUR SCORN. IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF INDIVIDUAL FROM THE MAN WHO JUST CAN'T CONTROL HIS TEMPER. THIS KIND OF MAN CAN'T CONTROL HIS PERSONAL AGENDA. >> IT'S FUNNY. YOU MENTION THE CONDUCT AFTERWARDS. WE SAW THAT WITH SCOTT PETERSON GOING TO THE MEDIA IN TEARS LOOKING FOR HELP. PEOPLE REMEMBER JEFFREY MACDONALD TALKING TO THE MEDIA LOOKING FOR HELP TO FIND THESE TERRIBLE CRAZED KILLERS WHO TOOK THE LIFE OF HIS WIFE AND HIS TWO DAUGHTERS. MY OTHER QUESTION I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE ASKING IS THIS. SADLY WE'VE SEEN SO MANY INSTANCES OF HUSBANDS KILLING WIVES AND IN SOME WAYS CERTAINLY WE DON'T COUNT ON THIS AT ALL BUT IN SOME WAYS IT'S MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. PEOPLE ARE SAYING BUT HOW CAN A PERSON THEN KILL THEIR CHILDREN? NO MATTER HOW OLD. JEFFREY MACDONALD TWO DAUGHTERS. 9-MONTH-OLD LILLIAN. WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CHILDREN? >> IT'S THE SHALLOWNESS OF THEIR LOVE. AGAIN, THEY LOVE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THEM. IT'S NOT REALLY AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION WITH THE SPOUSE OR THE CHILD. OFTEN TIMES THE CHILD IS KILLED JUST BECAUSE IN SOME WAY THAT CHILD IS LINKED IN THE MIND OF THE PERPETRATOR WITH THE WIFE. IT'S KILL HER AND HER CHILD. EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIS CHILD, TOO. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. THOSE KINDS OF RELATIONSHIPS, THOSE KINDS OF FAMILY BONDS ARE REALLY SHALLOW AND TENUOUS IN THEIR LIVES. THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE FREEDOM THAN TO BE TIED DOWN WITH A BABY. AND AFTERWARDS THEY LOOK SO INNOCENT. THERE'S A RIDDLE. HOW DO YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SOCIOPATHIC KILLER AND AN INNOCENT MAN? AND THE ANSWER IS A SOCIOPATHIC KILLER HAS A BETTER ALIBI. THEY PLANNED IT OUT. ANY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, WHAT THEY'RE GOING SAY WHEN THE COPS COME AND WHEREAS MOST THE REST OF US IF WE WERE EVER SUSPECTED OF KILLING SOMEONE WE WOULD LOOK REALLY GUILTY. WE WOULD SWEAT. WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. THESE MEN ARE VERY COOL CALCULATING AND THEY EVEN DO PRESS CONFERENCES. >> SO IS THIS THEN A SITUATION WHERE BASED UPON THE CASES THAT YOU'VE STUDIED AND LOOKED AT HERE WHERE THESE INSTANCES, THE KILLINGS ARE THEY MORE A CONSEQUENCE OF PLANNING AND DETAILED PLANNING AS OPPOSED TO SPUR OF THE MOMENT SNAPPING CONDUCT? >> NOT AT ALL SPUR OF THE MOMENT. NO. THAT IMPLIES SOME SORT OF EMOTIONS INVOLVED. THIS IS VOID OF EMOTION. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ABLE TO TAKE THE LIVES OF THOSE CLOSEST TO THEM BECAUSE IT'S THEIR PLAN. I EMPHASIZE PLAN. AND SOMEONE LIKE CHARLES STEWART BACK IN THE LATE '80s IN MASSACHUSETTS HAVING A WIFE WHO WAS PREGNANT WAS JUST NOT -- WAS GOING TO GET IN THE PLAN TO OPEN A BIG RESTAURANT. HE WANTED HIS WIFE TO GET AN ABORTION. SHE REFUSED. WELL, THAT IS YOUR DECISION LADY. HIS DECISION WAS HE DIDN'T WANT A CHILD. DIVORCE WASN'T A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE ENTAILED A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES. SO THESE ARE WELL PLANNED DECISIONS TO FREE THEMSELVES OF THE CONSTRAINT OF MARRIAGE THAT NO LONGER FIT THEIR LIFESTYLES. >> RECENTLY WE COVERED A CRIMINAL INSANITY CASE WITH NAVEED HAQ IN SEATTLE. IT GAVE OUR VIEWERS A CHANCE TO LOOK INTO CRIMINAL INSANITY AS OPPOSED TO MEDICAL OR PSYCH AT RICK PROBLEMS. BECAUSE I'M SURE AGAIN VIEWERS WOULD SAY IF YOU TAKE THE LIFE OF YOUR WIFE AND CERTAINLY THE LIVES OF YOUR CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SNAPPED AND BEEN INSANE AT THE TIME. IS THAT WHAT WE SEE? >> THIS IS A DISORDER OF THE CHARACTER. THE PERSONALITY. NOT A DISORDER OF THE MIND. SOMEONE WHO IS LEGALLY INSANE BASICALLY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS AGAINST THE LAW. FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE WHO KILLS THEIR CHILD BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS HALLUCINATION THAT THE CHILD IS BEING ATTACKED BY THE STUFF ANIMAL. THE BIG STUFFED BEAR IN THE BED AND THE BEAR CAME ALIVE AND SO THEY STAB THE BEAR AND ACCIDENTALLY KILL THE CHILD. THAT'S LEGAL INSANITY. THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IS BAD AND NOT MAD AND CRAFTY NOT CRAZY. IT DOESN'T FIT ANY DEFINITION OF LEGAL INSANITY. IN THIS STATE AND OTHER 49 STATES AND IT CERTAINLY IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE WAY THAT PSYCHIATRIST AND PHYSICIANS TALK ABOUT WHICH IS SOME PERSON BEING OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN CONTROL. CONTROL IS A BIG THING IN THEIR LIVES. THEY CONTROL THEIR OWN ACTIONS AND THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE LIVES AND ACTIONS OF THOSE AROUND THEM AS WELL. >> IT'S CLEAR WHY YOU'RE SO SUCCESSFUL AS A PROFESSOR IN NORTHEASTERN EXPLAINING ALL OF THESE CONCEPTS. >> COME TO CLASS SOMETIME. >> I WOULD LOVE TO TOM COULD YOUR CLASS. BELIEVE ME. U.S. A. TODAY CALLED YOU THE FOREMOST CRIMINOLOGIST. WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. YOU'LL STAY WITH US. WE'LL FIT IN A QUICK BREAK OF OUR HONE AND LOOK MORE INSIDE THAT COURTROOM AND TALK MORE WITH OUR GUESTS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE INSIDE OF THIS COURTROOM. ALL OF THIS MURDER MYSTERY PLAYING OUT IN THE COURTROOM IN MASSACHUSETTS. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> IS IT POSSIBLE NEIL ENTWISTLE PLANNED THE KILLING OF HIS WIFE AND CHILD? DID HE DO A GOOD JOB? >>> WELCOME BACK. WE'RE IN SESSION. BRIEF BREAK IN THE COURTROOM IN THE TESTIMONY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS IN THIS CASE, SERGEANT MICHAEL SUTTON, HAD A LOT TO SAY ON THE STAND ABOUT THE GRIM TASK HE HAD OF LOOKING FOR TWO BODIES. HE FOLLOWED HIS NOSE. THE SMELL LED HIM ON A SECOND SEARCH OF THE HOUSE IN THE MASTER BEDROOM WHERE HE LIFTED THE COMFORTER OF THE UNMAID BED AND FOUND THE BODIES OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN UNDERNEATH IT. TYPICALLY A DAY OF WORK FOR AN INVESTIGATOR BUT THIS TIME IT WAS ANYTHING BUT. >> I WENT THE ROUTE THAT YOU TOOK WHEN YOU ENTERED THE MASTER BEDROOM ON THE EVENING OF SUNDAY, JANUARY 22nd, SOMETIME AFTER 6:00 P.M. >> I TURNED LEFT AS I CAME IN THE DOOR. WALKED ACROSS THE FOOT OF THE BED OVER TO THIS AREA. >> IF YOU COULD USE THAT MARKER AND AGAIN PUT YOUR INITIALS AND A NUMBER ONE NEXT TO IT AT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION THAT YOU STOPPED. NOW USING THAT POINTER, SHOW THE JURY AND EVERYBODY IN THE COURTROOM THE CORNER OF WHICH YOU LIFTED THAT COMFORTER INITIALLY. >> THE FIRST TIME APPROXIMATELY THERE. >> AND THE SECOND TIME -- STRIKE THAT. WHEN YOU WERE OVER THERE AT THAT LOCATION THAT YOU NOTED, SHOW THE JURORS AND THE COURT WHERE THE DETECTIVE WAS AND THE ROUTE HE TOOK. >> AFTER GOING INTO THE BATHROOM HE WENT INTO THE CLOSET WHEN I WAS OVER HERE LIFTING THE CORNER HE WAS COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET. >> JUST WANT TO CARRY ON SOME OF THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE HAVING BEFORE THE BREAK AND, DOCTOR, YOU HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO STAY ON WITH US AND THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS JABBING AWAY TO ASK QUESTIONS. I HAVE SO MUCH I WANT TO ASK YOU. AS YOU WERE DESCRIBING WITH JACK THIS MAN WHO ISN'T SOMEONE WHO JUST SNAPS BUT INSTEAD IS COLD AND CALCULATING AND JUST WIPES OUT WHATEVER IS NOT WORKING IN HIS LIFE, I WAS TRYING TO SORT OF PUT NEIL ENTWISTLE INTO THAT PICTURE AND I COULDN'T COME UP WITH THE CALCULATING. IF PROSECUTORS ARE RIGHT AND NEIL ENTWISTLE COMMITTED THIS CRIME, HE DID A REALLY BAD JOB OF IT. DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS ANY CALCULATION AT ALL. CAN YOU FIGURE THAT PART OF THIS WHOLE EQUATION OUT? >> SURE. THE FACT THAT THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN KILL AND HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL AND GET AWAY WITH KILLING DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. NOT EVERYONE IS ALL THAT SMART WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL AWARE. THEY MAY WATCH A TV SHOW HERE AND THERE BUT IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO COMMIT THE PERFECT CRIME THAN MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE. IT'S THAT OVERCONFIDENCE THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY CAN INDEED CARRY OUT A MURDER AND PERHAPS ESCAPE THE JURISDICTION. >> COULD YOU -- I JUST WONDER IF YOU CAN ADD THE CHARACTERISTIC OF HAVING JUST SNAPPED ON THE SPUR OF THE MOMENT AND DONE THIS FOR THE REASONS YOU OUTLINED EARLIER AND THAT IS THAT PERHAPS THESE PEOPLE GOT IN THE WAY OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT HE WANTED. AGAIN, ALL OF THIS AT THE PROSECUTION'S RIGHT. >> WHAT ABOUT SNAP? PEOPLE GENERALLY DON'T SNAP. SURE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITH ANGER PROBLEMS AND THEY MAY GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THEIR ANGER BUT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, YOU WILL OFTEN TIMES HAVE SOMEONE WHO REALIZES WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND MAY CALL 911. THIS IS NOT THE POST-CRIME ACTION OF SOMEONE WHO JUST SUDDENLY LOSES THEIR TEMPER AND SNAPS. ALSO THE NOTION OF PEOPLE SNAPPING IS MORE FANTASY THAN REALITY. IT DOESN'T USUALLY HAPPEN THAT WAY. COMMITTING A MURDER IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IT IS. WE JUST DON'T SNAP AND KILL PEOPLE. >> HOLD FOR ONE SECOND. BETH, LOOK AHEAD FOR ME IF YOU WILL AND TELL ME IN 30 SECONDS OR LESS WHERE WE'RE HEADED FROM HERE IN THIS CASE. >> Reporter: ONE OF THE NEXT PHASES OF THE TRIAL WILL BE TO SHOW THE JURY THE CRIME SCENE VIDEO AND PHOTOGRAPHS AND THESE WILL BE THE GRAPHIC PICTURES OF THE MASTER BEDROOM. THE COURT IS PREPARING TO PUT THE MONITOR DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE JURY SO THAT THE PUBLIC GALLERY WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT. >> I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR ANYBODY AND THE JURY WILL PROBABLY HAVE A TOUGH TIME WITH IT. GOT TO SAY THANKS TO EVERYBODY. BETH KARAS, GOOD WORK OUT THERE. DR. FOX, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. WENDY MURPHY, WE ALWAYS LOVE TO HAVE YOU. I HOPE YOU'LL COME BACK AND TALK TO US AGAIN SOON. IN THE MEANTIME, THAT DOES IT FOR US. WE'RE WRAPPING UP OUR COVERAGE FOR TODAY. >> INTERESTING STUFF. AGAIN, THE JURY I'M SURE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT DR. FOX SAID. WE DON'T KNOW HOT KILLER IS ULTIMATELY THEY WILL DECIDE WHO THAT IS. IT WILL BE CURIOUS HOW MUCH THEY FOCUS ON THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. >> HERE I THOUGHT I HAD IT FIGURED OUT AND HERE COMES DR. FOX TO CONFUSE ME EVEN MORE ABOUT THE NATS OF MAN. >> THAT'S WHY WE DO TRIAL. >> WE'LL BE BACK BRIGHT AND EARLY AT 1:00 EASTERN TIME TOMORROW. |