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>>> ON THE DAY THEY DIED, HE HAD GONE OUT THAT MORNING AND RETURNED AND UNFORTUNATELY FOUND THEM DEAD. HE EXPLAINED THAT HE WAS TOTALLY DEVASTATED. >> HE MIGHT BE CALLED A MATE OF THIS MAN, NEIL ENTWISTLE'S BRITISH FRIEND TAKES THE STAND AND SAYING NEIL HAD DINNER WITH ME AFTER THE MURDERS AND TOLD ME HIS VERSION OF EVENTS. UNFORTUNATELY FOR NEIL, HIS VERSION HAS MANY INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE. SO MUCH OF IT COMING OUT NOW. HE IS FACING IT ALL DOWN. WE ARE TAKING YOU COURTSIDE. >>> HI, EVERYBODY. BANFIELD AND FORD COURTSIDE. >>> IN THAT COURTROOM UP IN MASSACHUSETTS RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE PROSECUTION CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE CASE PIECE BY PIECE. OFTENTIMES YOU'LL TALK ABOUT A CIRCUMSTANCEAL EVIDENCE CASE BEING A MOSAIC. WHEN YOU GET THE PIECES ALL TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY, IF YOU'RE THE PROSECUTOR HERE, HOPEFULLY THE PICTURE WILL BE NEIL ENTWISTLE GUILTY OF MURDER. WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW -- WE'RE IN THE PROSECUTION CASE. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE PROSECUTION TAKING THOSE MOSAIC PIECES THAT TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS, HIS COMPUTER SEARCHES AND HOW THEY RAISE QUESTIONS IN THE MINDS OF JURORS. IT'S ALL OF THAT JOURNEY ON THAT CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE CASE, BUT ALL THOSE PIECES BY THEMSELVES MIGHT NOT BE MUCH. PROSECUTORS HOPE WHEN WE PUT THEM TOGETHER, IT'S A BIG PICTURE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TAKE A LIVE PICTURE INSIDE THE COURTROOM BECAUSE NEIL ENTWISTLE, YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE ACTION VERY OFTEN. HE STOOD UP A MOMENT AGO, WALKING OUT OF COURT. MENT HE'S A DAPPER DRESSER, TOO. IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THIS IS THE PERSON THE PROSECUTORS ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE MAT -- RUSSELL, YVONNE AND CLIFFORD FILING OUT. I AM NOT THE PERSON WHO WOULD SAY I WAS SPELLBOUND BY THIS TESTIMONY FROM THIS COMPUTER FORENSICS EXPERTS WHO LIST BY LIST AND TIME BY TIME AND UR LFRNLTS BY URL WAS DESCRIBING THE COMPUTER SEARCH PATTERNS ALLEGEDLY BY NEIL ENTWISTLE. BUT THIS TIME I COULD NOT TURN AWAY. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LEADING TO. I THINK WE LEFT OFF SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 17th OR SO. THEN THERE WAS AN ILL ALLUSION TO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON JANUARY 20th ON THAT COMPUTER. JACK, WHAT DAY IS THAT? >> WE ALL KNOW JANUARY 20th WAS THE DAY OF THE KILLINGS. >> HOW COULD ANYBODY BE ON THE COMPUTER ON THE DAY OF THE KILLINGS WHEN YOU WERE OUT DOING ERRANDS, YOU CAME HOME, FOUND YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTER DEAD? >> WE'RE GUESSING THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY BIG PIECE OF THAT MOSAIC FOR THE PROSECUTION WHEN THEY GET TO ALL THAT? >> YOU THINK? YOU THINK? >> A LITTLE SUSPENSE BUILDING UP. >> I KEEP TRYING TO GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. THERE IS NO WAY ON HELL'S HALF ACRE ANYBODY IS GOING TO FIND HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER DEAD AND GO AND CHECK YOUR E-MAIL ON ADULTFRIENDFINDER. >> SOUNDS LIKE THE PROSECUTOR HERE. >> I'M STARTING TO SOUND TOTALLY UNFAIR BECAUSE HE IS STILL INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. SO IF THE YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE IT GETS A LITTLE AR CANE AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET TESTIMONY FROM SOMEONE SORT OF AS SPECIFIC AS A COMPUTER FORENSICS ANALYST. THAT'S WHO WE'RE TALKING WITH NOW. LET ME GET YOU CAUGHT UP ON ALL THE BACKGROUND DETAILS OF THE CASE. OUR CORRESPONDENT BETH CARE RIS HAS DONE ALL THAT FOR YOU. HAVE A LOOK. >> WE BELIEVE POSSIBLY THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO BE A MURDER SUICIDE, BUT WE CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. OBVIOUSLY THE MURDER WAS EFFECTED. THE SUICIDE WAS NOT. >> ON A QUIET WINTER NIGHT IN A SUBURB OUTSIDE OF BOSTON, THE POLICE WERE CALLED TO THE HOUSE OF NEIL AN RACHEL ENTWISTLE. GUESTS HAD ARRIVED FOR A DINNER PARTY, BUT THE FAMILY WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. POLICE DID A CURSORY SEARCH OF THE HOUSE TWICE BEFORE MAKING A GRUESOME DISCOVERY. >> NEIL ENTWISTLE WITH A FIREARM WE BELIEVE HE HAD SECURED AT SOME TIME BEFORE THAT SHOT RACHEL ENTWISTLE IN THE HEAD, THEN PROCEEDED TO SHOOT BABY LILLIAN WHO WAS LYING ON THE BED NEXT TO HER MOTHER. >> Reporter: THE ONE THING THEY COULD NOT FIND WAS NEIL ENTWISTLE. MASSACHUSETTS INVESTIGATORS LEARNED HE HAD RETURNED TO HIS PARENTS' HOME OUTSIDE OF LONDON. >> NEIL ENTWISTLE WAS ARRESTED THIS MORNING JUST BEFORE NOON LONDON TIME, JUST BEFORE 7:00 OUR TIME ON TWO CHARGES OF MURDER, THE MURDER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE. >> Reporter: HE WAIVED EXTRA DECISION AND RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES TO FACE THE CHARGES. SPECULATION IS THAT FINANCIAL DIFFICULTY MAY HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN THE MURDE THE AR RAINME IN A MASSACHUSETTS COURTROOM ATTRACTED NATIONAL MEDIA ATTENTION. >> IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT MR. ENTWISTLE HAS BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED IN THIS COURT WITH TWO CRIMES OF MURDER. BY HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, THE PROCESS THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THIS COUNTRY OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS IS UNDERWAY. >> DESPITE HIS PLEA OF NOT GUILTY, SIX WEEKS AFTER HIS ARRAIGNMENT A GRAND JURY INDICTED ENTWISTLE FOR THE MURDERS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY DAUGHTER. >> I'M GOING TO VIGOROUSLY, AGGRESSIVELY AND SUCCESSFULLY DEFEND MR. ENTWISTLE. I'M GOING TO DO THAT IN THE ONLY ARENA THAT COUNTS, AND THAT'S THE COURTROOM. >> WELL, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WITH US WHO CERTAINLY KNOW THEIR WAY AROUND THE COURTROOM. THE FIRST ONE IS BETH KARAS, THE PERSON WHO WAS AUTHORING THAT REPORT AND REPORTING LIVE EVERY DAY WHO IS ALSO A FORMER PROSECUTOR. SITTING BESIDE HER, SPECIAL GUEST, F. LEE BAILEY, THE CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY WHO HAS HAD SO MANY HIGH PROFILE TRIALS, TOO HARD TO COUNT INCLUDING DR. SAM SHEPHERD AND OF COURSE O.J. SIMPSON. LEE IS ALSO THE AUTHOR OF A NUMBER OF BOOKS INCLUDING DEFENSE NEVER RESTS, TRIAL LAWYER," AND "WHEN THE HUSBAND IS THE SUSPECT." HOW FITTING. YES, THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE TO TALK TO US TODAY, FOR MANY OTHER REASONS AS WELL. LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU, BETH. GET ME CAUGHT UP TO SPEED A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT JACK AND I WERE SPEAKING OF AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROGRAM. THAT'S THIS VERY METICULOUS TESTIMONY ABOUT EVERY DATE, EVERY TIME STAMP AND EVERY SEARCH DONE ON THAT HOME COMPUTER, I THINK IT WAS A LAPTOP, THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE SEARCHES AND WHY WE ARE GETTING SO CLOSE TO THE MURDER DATE? >> WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE BROAD STROKES. LAWRENCE JAMES, A MEDFORD POLICE OFFICER WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN COMPUTER FORENSICS HAS BEEN ON THE STAND ALL DAY TO DAY. AND THIS IS REALLY A VERY METICULOUS EXAMINATION -- THE PROSECUTOR CHOSE TO DO IT THIS WAY. THAT'S WHY HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT ONE HARD DRIVE HE EXAMINED ON ONE OF THE TWO LAPTOPS REMOVED FROM THE ENTWISTLE HOME, ONE OF THE TWO TOSHIBAS, SIX COMPUTERS EXAMINED ALL TOGETHER. I IMAGINE MOST INFORMATION COMES FROM THIS ONE. HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT SEARCHES THE WEEK OF THE MURDER, MONDAY THE 16th, THE 17th, HE'S TALKED ABOUT THE 18th. AND JUST BEFORE WE BROKE, HE'S TALKED ABOUT THE 20th, THE DAY OF THE MURDERS. HE DIDN'T SAY WHAT THE SEARCH WAS. BUT A USER -- THE USER WAS USING THE NAME ENT. EVERYTHING HE'S BEEN TESTIFYING TO HAVE BEEN ENT USER OR CONTRACT USER. THOSE ARE TWO CODE NAMES, BOTH PASSWORD PROTECTED. THE PROSECUTOR BELIEVES IT WAS NEIL ENTWISTLE FOR ALL THE SEARCHES BEING TESTIFIED TO. YOU HAVE ENT, THAT USER, DOING THREE SEARCHES AT 12:30 IN THE AFTERNOON ON JANUARY 20th, 2006, NEIL ENTWISTLE'S STATEMENT TO THE POLICE IS THAT HE FOUND HIS FAMILY DEAD AT 11:00 IN THE MORNING. SO THERE WERE SEARCHES ON THE HOME COMPUTER, ASSUMING THAT COMPUTER IS IN THE HOME, AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER HE SAYS HE FOUND HIS FAMILY DEAD. BUT BEFORE THAT, IN THE DAYS BEFORE THAT, YOU SEE ALMOST -- THERE'S A LITTLE OVERLAP. YOU SEE THE ENT USER NAME IS SEARCHING FOR ESCORT SERVICES, HOW TO KILL WITH A KNIFE, KNIFE AND NECK KILL UNDER THAT USER NAME. UNDER THE USER NAME "CONTRACT" JOB SEARCHES, THINGS THAT SEEM TO BE VERY LEGITIMATE. THERE ARE A FEW JOB SEARCHES UNDER ENT, THOUGH. HE HAS BEEN USING THIS COMPUTER EVERY DAY, EXCEPT FOR THE 19th. WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE 19th. THIS IS ASSUMING THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE IS THE USER. >> IT'S HARD NOT TO BELIEVE THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE WOULD BE THE USER BECAUSE I THINK THE PROSECUTION HAS BEEN PRETTY CAREFUL TO LIST EVERY SINGLE JOB SEARCH AND THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE USER WAS SEARCHING FOR. IT WOULD SEEM AS THOUGH YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIT OF AN EXPERT IN I.T. WHICH MR. ENTWISTLE IS, TO BE SEARCHING FOR THOSE KINDS OF JOBS. >> WELL, THAT IS AN ARGUMENT THAT THE PROSECUTOR IS LIKELY TO MAKE, AND MAYBE JURORS WILL DISCUSS. THE JUDGE DID GIVE THEM A LIMITING INSTRUCTION YESTERDAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS TYPE OF TESTIMONY SAYING, LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO BE SATISFIED THE PROSECUTOR HAS PROVEN THAT THE USER IS NEIL ENTWISTLE. ALSO, YOU CAN ONLY CONSIDER THIS TESTIMONY FOR THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NEIL ENTWISTLE AND HIS WIFE RACHEL BECAUSE THE DEFENSE DID CROSS EXAMINE A NUMBER OF WITNESSES. WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A DEFENSE CASE. THEY CROSSED A LOT OF THE PROSECUTION WITNESSES ON THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP. AND EVERY ONE, EVERYONE WHO KNEW THE COUPLE OR OBSERVED THE COUPLE SAID THEY. >> Reporter: LOVING AND ROMANIC AND HE WAS A DOTING FATHER AND DOTING HUSBAND. THESE SEARCHES FOR ESCORT SERVICES IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE MURDER SEEM TO REBUT THAT. IT COMES IN FOR THAT TO ASSESS THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP OR THE STATE OF MIND OR INTENT OF NEIL ENTWISTLE OR MOTIVE. SHE SAID YOU CANNOT CONSIDER THIS EVIDENCE FOR HIS PROPENSITY FOR BAD ACT OR THAT HE COMMITTED THESE CRIMES. >> LET ME GET YOUR FRIEND SITTING BESIDE YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. F. LEE BAILEY, AS A DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND A VERY GOOD ONE AT THAT. ANYBODY WHO COULD GET O.J. SIMPSON OFF IN THAT CRIMINAL TRIAL, A BIG PART OF THAT TEAM, HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST. I'M NOT SO SURE HOW A DEFENSE ATTORNEY REACTS WHEN HE OR SHE HEARS A JUDGE INSTRUCT A JURY LIKE THAT, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN'T UNRING THE BELL, YOU CAN'T TELL ME HOW TO ORGANIZE MY GUT FEELING, CAN YOU? >> NO. AND THOSE INSTRUCTIONS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SUSPECT. THEY PROBABLY WORK BETTER IN MILITARY COURTS WHERE THE JURORS ARE USED TO OBEYING ORDERS. BUT IT'S QUITE A MENTAL EXERCISE TO CONSIDER SOMETHING FOR ONE PURPOSE AND NOT FOR ANOTHER. >> GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, JURIES ACT AS HUMAN BEINGS. THEY DON'T ACT AS MACHINES WHEN THEY ALL DELIBERATE AND COME TO A CONSENSUS. IT SEEMS TO US FROM ANY INTERVIEWS THAT WE'VE BEEN SO LUCKY TO GET WITH JURORS POST VERDICT, THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT WORKS. THEY GO WITH THEIR GUT. THEY GO WITH WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT. >> ACTUALLY THEY VERY SELDOM REMEMBER THE PRECISE EDGES OF THOSE INSTRUCTIONS. AND WHAT THE JUDGE DIDN'T AND PROBABLY COULDN'T TELL THEM WAS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS CHASING ESCORT SERVICES AND GET MAD AT HIM BECAUSE HE JUST KILLED HIS WIFE AND NOW HE'S OUT LOOKING OUT FOR HIS OWN GOOD TIMES. >> RIGHT. MENT BETH, LET ME COME BACK TO YOU FOR A LITTLE MORE OF THE SPECIFICS. FIRST OF ALL, I SAID TO JACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM THAT I TEND TO GET A LITTLE BORED WITH THE TEDIOUS STUFF WHEN WE GO OVER LISTS AND LISTS OF DNA AND THEN WE GET TO A COMPUTER FOR SICKS EXPERTS WHO GOES OVER DATES, TIME STAMPS, URLs, BUT I COULD NOT TRN AWAY FROM THIS STUFF BECAUSE I KNEW THE SEARCHES ON THE 20th WERE COMING. WHY ON EARTH DID WE NOT GET INTO THAT NOW? WHY A BREAK RIGHT BEFORE WE GET TO THE MOST MEATY OF IT? >> YOU MEAN WHY BREAK NOW OR WHY DID IT COME -- >> WHY WOULD WE BREAK AT WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE ONE OF THE MOST TELLING COMPUTER SEARCHES IN THIS ENTIRE TRIAL, A COMPUTER SEARCH DONE AFTER THE KILLINGS OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN? >> WELL, IT WAS THE TOP OF THE HOUR, AND THE JUDGE BREAKS AT THAT TIME. I GUESS THE DA COULD HAVE SAID LET ME ASK A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, JUDGE, TO AT LEAST GET THE SEARCH IN THERE. I DIDN'T HEAR THE SEARCH. I'M SURE IT WASN'T ELICITED. IN ANY EVENT, THE DA PROBABLY DOESN'T MIND THE JURY IS LEFT WITH THAT FOR THE NEXT HOURS UNTIL COURT RESUMES. >> FROM WHAT WE KNOW IN SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS BEFORE THE JUDGE ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS MATERIAL WOULD END UP BEFORE THE JURY OR NOT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BETH, I'VE ALSO READ REPORTS FROM THE BOSTON HERALD ON THIS ONE, THIS IS A CHECK ON THE ADULT FRIEND FINDER WEBSITE FOR ANY E-MAIL THAT THE COMPUTER USER/ALLEGEDLY NEIL ENTWISTLE MAY HAVE RECEIVED, CORRECT? >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. WE TRIED TO VERIFY THAT REPORT TODAY AND WE WERE TOLD IT WAS AN ERRONEOUS REPORT. SO IT MAY BE CORRECT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT'S LISTED FROM THE COURT. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT REALLY IS ADULT FRIEND FINDER. IT MIGHT BE. >> SO I'M JUST GOING TO HANG ON THAT ONE AND WAIT FOR THAT TESTIMONY. I HONESTLY CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY WHO HASN'T GOT THE WHEREWITHAL TO PICK UP THE PHONE TO CALL 911 UPON FINDING HIS ENTIRE FAMILY SHOT DEAD BUT COULD GET ON HIS KEYBOARD AND SEARCH FOR SOME E-MAIL. >> LET ME TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE FOR A MOMENT, BETH. THAT'S THIS JAILHOUSE LETTER. I KNOW THIS WAS PRETTY HIGHLY CONTESTED. WE'VE GOT A COPY OF IT THAT WE WANT TO PUT UP, AT LEAST A COPY OF THE TEXT OF IT. A JAILHOUSE LETTER THAT MR. ENTWISTLE WROTE TO HIS ATTORNEYS. IT READS THIS WAY. >> FIRST OF ALL, BETH, THERE WAS THIS BATTLE AS TO WHETHER THIS MATERIAL WOULD BE SEEN BEFORE THE JURY. HAS THE JURY SEEN IT? WILL THEY SEE IT? ISN'T THIS EXTRAORDINARILY PREJUDICIAL INFORMATION? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A COMMUNICATION TO HIS ATTORNEYS, AND ELLIOT WEINSTEIN WAS VERY UPSET WHEN THIS WAS REPORT. HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW THE REPORTER GOT A HOLD OF IT. I DO NOT KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE CASE. I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF IT'S GOING TO BE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRIVILEGED. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IN THE JAIL PROCEDURE IF YOU WRITE TO YOUR LAWYER THEY CAN READ YOUR MAIL AND SOME PRIVILEGE IS WAIVED. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO COME IN. >> PRETTY REMARKABLE STUFF, ESPECIALLY THAT LITTLE MOMENT ABOUT ONE DAY MY MOOD WAS FINE, THEN IT STARTED TO DARK EN. IF YOU'RE READING THIS, I GUESS IT GOT WORSE. IN ANY CASE, BETH, JUST ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION, AND THAT IS, THE INTERNET SEARCH PATTERNS COMING UP UNTIL THE ACTUAL DEATH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STOOD OUT? WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT PARTICULARLY GOT MORE ATTENTION THAN THE OTHER? ALL OF IT SOUNDS BAD TO THE LAYPERSON LIKE ME. BUT WAS THERE A FOCUS OR A CONCENTRATION ON, SAY, THE SEXUAL ASPECTS OF IT, THE FIND A WAY TO MURDER SOMEONE ASPECT. THE JOB SEARCHES? WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT STOOD OUT OR WAS IT THE WHOLE PACKAGE? >> YOU KNOW, WE HAD NOTICED FROM COURT FILINGS THAT THESE ESCORT SERVICES HAD BEEN -- THE SITES HAD BEEN ACCESSED. AND THE JOB SEARCH STUFF MAY SHOW THAT -- HE IS LOOKING FOR A JOB. THEY ARE IN DEAD AND THEY ARE LIVING BEYOND THEIR MEANS AND MAYBE ELICITED JUST TO BE COMPLETE. BUT ALSO TO SHOW THAT WITH ONE USER NAME HE DID ONE TYPE OF SEARCH, WITH ANOTHER USER NAME THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE LEGITIMATE WORK SEARCHES. A COUPLE OF THINGS DID JUMP OUT, THE NUMBER, THE VOLUME, OF COURSE. BUT ON JANUARY 9th EVEN BEFORE THE WEEK OF THE MURDERS, HE WAS SEARCHING FOR FLIGHTS TO THE U.K. ON VARIOUS SITES, CHEAP FLIGHTS AND LAST MINUTE AND FLY MANCHEST MANCHESTER.COM. U.K. SITES, BRITISH AIRWAYS. WE DON'T KNOW IF A FLIGHT WAS PURCHASED FOR DEPARTURE ON THE 21st, THAT'S HORRIBLE EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM SHOWING A PLANNING. WE KNOW HE ULTIMATELY PURCHASED USING A VISA CARD AT THE AIRPORT. HE TOOK A FLIGHT EARLIER THAN THE ONE HE ORIGINALLY BOOKED. HE TOOK A FLIGHT SEVERAL HOURS EARLIER ON THE 21st. BEYOND THAT, WE'RE HEARING -- EXCEPT FOR JANUARY 20th, I DID NOT EXPECT ANY SEARCHES ON JANUARY 20th THAT HAD NOT BEEN IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN BEFORE. I KNOW THE "BOSS TOWARD HERALD" REPORTED IT FOR TODAY. BUT I HAD NOT HEARD THAT. THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME BEFORE WE BROKE. >> VERY TROUBLING. I CANNOT WAIT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT WHEN THAT TESTIMONY RESUMES. IN THE COMPANY TIME I FOUND IT SHOCKING THAT ON JANUARY 9th, MORE THAN TEN DAYS BEFORE THE MURDERS OF HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER, SOMEONE WAS SEARCHING FOR TICKETS TO THE U.K. MORE COMING UP. IN FACT, DID YOU KNOW THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE WENT TO THE MOVIES WITH HIS FRIENDS ONCE HE GOT TO THE U.K.? ONE OF THOSE FRIENDS TOOK THE STAND TO TALK ABOUT ENTWISTLE'S MOOD AND MORE IMPORTANTLY ENTWISTLE'S STORY. THAT'S COMING UP IN A MOMENT. >>> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO OBSERVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP? >> YES, QUITE FREQUENTLY AT UNIVERSITY. >> DESCRIBE THAT IN GENERAL TERMS IF YOU COULD, SIR. >> SURE. THEY SEEMED TO BE A REALLY LOVING COUPLE, REALLY NICE, REALLY COMFORTABLE IN EACH OTHER'S COMPANY AND FUN TO BE AROUND ADDS WELL. >> THAT TESTIMONY FROM BENJAMIN PRYOR, HE MET THEM BACK IN 1998 WHEN THEY WERE IN SCHOOL TOGETHER. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THOSE WITNESSES CALLED TO THE STAND YESTERDAY. AN IMPORTANT PART OF THEIR TESTIMONY FOR THE PROSECUTION WAS THEY OFFERED UP TO THESE JURORS WHAT NEIL ENTWISTLE HAD TO SAY TO THEM ABOUT THE DEATH OF HIS WIFE AND HIS CHILD. PROSECUTORS ARE GOING TO ARGUE YOU'VE GOT INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS GOING ON THERE. WITNESS TO FOLLOW THAT WITNESS WAS DASHAL MONDAY, THEY ALL MET AT A ROWING CLUB AT THE UNIVERSITY. AS WE PICK UP WITH SOME OF HIS TESTIMONY, AGAIN, MICHAEL WILL BE THE PROSECUTOR, ASK HIM HOW IT IS HE CAME TO KNOWN NEIL ENTWISTLE AND WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS. LET'S WATCH. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >>> DASH SHELL MUNDING, D A SHIEL, MUNDING. >> WHERE DO YOU LIVE? SDPL I LIVE IN THE U.K. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED THERE? >> CLOSE TO THREE YEARS. >> WHO DO YOU LIVE WITH? >> I LIVE WITH A LADY CALLED SHARON REYNOLDS WHO HAS MOVED WITH ME. >> DO YOU WORK? >> I DO. >> WHAT DO YOU DO FOR WORK? >> I RUN A MUSIC STUDIO AND WE'RE BUILDING WEB SITES. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN RUNNING THOSE WEB SITES? >> TWO YEARS. >> WHAT ABOUT YOUR WEBSITE WORK, IS THAT PART-TIME ON THE SIDE? >> NO, NO, THAT'S THE SAME BUSINESS. IT'S A MUSIC DISTRIBUTION WEBSITE. >> DO YOU KNOW THE DEFENDANT, NEIL ENTWISTLE? >> I DO. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN HIM? >> SINCE ABOUT 1998. >> WHERE DID YOU MEET HIM? >> I MET HIM AT UNIVERSITY. >> DID YOU BECOME FRIENDS? >> WE DID. >> DID YOU GET TO KNOW A RACHEL SUES SA? >> YES. >> WHAT ABOUT A BENJAMIN PRIOR? YES. >> RICHARD SKINNER. >> YES. >> HOW DID THE FIVE OF YOU KNOW EACH OTHER? >> WE ALL ROWED TOGETHER AT THE UNIVERSITY BOAT CLUB. >> DID YOU ALSO SPEND TIME TOGETHER SOCIALLY? >> FREQUENTLY. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO LEARN AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHETHER RACHEL SOUZA AND THE DEFENDANT BEGAN A DATING RELATIONSHIP? >> YES. >> DID YOU EVENTUALLY ATTEND THE WEDDING OF RACHEL SOUZA AND NEIL ENTWISTLE? >> I DID. >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN THAT WAS? >> BEG YOUR PARDON? >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN THAT WAS? >> THAT WAS IN 2003. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEND TIME WITH THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL BETWEEN WHEN YOU FIRST GOT TO KNOW THEM AND WHEN THEY GOT MARRIED? >> INFREQUENTLY, YES. >> HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SEE HIM? >> AFTER OUR UNIVERSITY CAREER, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, ABOUT ONCE OR TWICE. >> WHAT ABOUT FROM 2003, AFTER THE WEDDING, UNTIL 2006? HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU SEE THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL? >> PERHAPS ONCE. >> AND WOULD YOU SPEAK AT ALL OR COMMUNICATE WITH E-MAIL? >> WE'D TALK ON THE PHONE. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, IF I COULD, SIR, TO EARLY FEBRUARY OF 2006, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION TO HEAR FROM MR. ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT? >> HE HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH RICH SKINNER AND PRYOR. >> AS A RESULT OF THAT WERE YOU CONTACTED? >> YES. >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN YOU FIRST SPOKE WITH THE DEFENDANT IN EARLY FEBRUARY? >> NOT THE PRECISE OCCASION, NO. BUT HE TELEPHONED ME. >> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, SAYER. HE -- >> HE TELEPHONED ME. >> YOU SPOKE BY TELEPHONE? >> WE DID. >> DO YOU RECALL THAT FIRST CONVERSATION? >> YES. >> WHAT DID HE TELL YOU? >> HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS AT HIS PARENTS' HOUSE AND THAT THE MEDIA, THE PRESS WERE OUTSIDE HIS FAMILY HOUSE AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO STAY THERE, AND HE ASKED WHETHER HE COULD COME AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH ME IN MY HOUSE IN LONDON. >> AT THE TIME YOU'RE LIVING IN CORN WALL NOW, I TAKE IT NOW BACK IN FEBRUARY OF 2006 YOU WERE LIVING ELSEWHERE? >> I WAS. I WAS LIVING IN KNOTTING HILL. >> DID YOU AND THE DEFENDANT MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WHERE HE WOULD COME DOWN TO LONDON AND SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU IN FEBRUARY OF 2006? >> YES. >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN HE FIRST GOT DOWN THERE? >> I CAN'T RECALL THE SPECIFIC DATE, BUT IT WAS A MONDAY NIGHT AT KING'S CROSS TRAIN STATION. >>> AGAIN, ANOTHER FRIEND OF NEIL ENTWISTLE LEADING UP TO HIS TESTIMONY TO THE CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH HIS FRIEND NEIL ABOUT WHAT HE FOUND WHEN HE SAW THE BODIES OF HIS WIFE AND HIS CHILD IN THE BEDROOM THAT DAY. THE PROSECUTION SUGGESTING HE'S GETTING INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS HE GIVES TO HIS FRIENDS. THE PROSECUTION SAYS CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT. LET'S TALK MORE WITH OUR FRIEND LEE BAILEY. ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. WE HAVEN'T TALKED FOR A WHILE. DELIGHTED TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS. A GOOD PART OF THE PROSECUTION'S CASE HERE IS GOING TO BE -- WERE WERE TALKING ABOUT CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, AS YOU KNOW. THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAMMERING ON AS WHAT THEY SUGGEST IS THE FLIGHT OF NEIL ENTWISTLE, TAKES OFF, DOESN'T GO TO THE FUNERAL, DOESN'T CALL POLICE, DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. YOUR EXPERIENCE, HOW SIGNIFICANT, HOW POWERFUL CAN THE NOTION OF FLIGHT AFTER THE FACT BE FOR A PROSECUTOR? >> IT'S ENOUGH WITH VERY LITTLE OTHER EVIDENCE TO PRODUCE A CONVICTION UNLESS IT IS EXPLAINED. IF HE SAID HIS MOTHER HAD JUST BEEN TAKEN TO THE INTENSIVE CARE UNIT WITH CARDIAC ARREST, HE -- NOT HAVING BROUGHT POLICE TO THE SCENE BEFOREHAND, FLIES IN THE FACE OF ANY EXPLANATION, I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S DAMAGING. >> DO JURORS, AS YOU KNOW, JUDGES WILL SAY TO JURORS, YOU CAN ACCEPT THIS, USE IT AS YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOME ELEMENT OF CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT HERE. BUT DO YOU THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT JUST GETS SO EMBEDDED IN A JUROR'S SOUL, THE NOTION OF, IF THIS IS YOUR LOVING WIFE AND LOVING CHILD AND YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS, WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU DOING GETTING ON A PLANE TO LONDON? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE DEFENSE CAN OVERCOME IN ANY FASHION? >> IT WOULD BE A TRICKY JOB TO OVERCOME IT. WHAT THE PROSECUTION HAS DONE SIMPLY BY PROVING FLIGHT, PARTICULARLY IF SOME PLANNING WAS DONE A FEW DAYS IN ADVANCE, IS TO TRANSFER TO THE DEFENSE THE BURDEN OF EXPLAINING WHY ALL THIS HAPPENED, WHY HE TOOK OFF. AND THE DEFENSE IS I THINK GOING TO BE HARD PUT TO OFFER ANYTHING CREDIBLE ON THAT SCORE. >> WE'LL TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE LATER ABOUT THE DEFENSE AND SUGGESTIONS HERE, ALONG WITH A BOOK YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH ABOUT WHEN THE HUSBAND IS A SUSPECT IN SOME OF YOUR FAMOUS CASES WHERE A HUSBAND WAS A SUSPECT. LEE BAILEY, STAYING ON WITH US THREW OUT THE COURSE OF OUR SESSION. A QUICK BREAK ON OUR OWN. ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'LL TALK WITH ANOTHER PERSON WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE BACK WITH US, ONE OF THE FINE AND RENOWN NEWSPAPER REPORTERS IN THAT AREA. HE'S JOINING US TO GIVE US SOME OF HIS PERSPECTIVE ON THIS TRIAL. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. >>> WELCOME BACK TO BANFIELD AND FORD. WE ARE OFFICIALLY IN SESSION. YOU'RE NOT MISSING TESTIMONY BECAUSE THEY'VE TAKEN A QUICK BREAK INSIDE THAT COURTHOUSE. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LITTLE MORE TESTIMONY THAT YOU PROBABLY MISSED FROM YESTERDAY BECAUSE IT HAPPENED AFTER WE WERE OFF THE AIR. YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO CATCH UP ON ALL THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT LIVE ON THE TV. THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE SENIOR EXECUTIVE CITY EDITOR OF THE BOSTON HERALD. HE'S GOD A LOT OF GOOD COLOR FOR US, GREAT REPORTING AS WELL. LET'S START OFF WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE DAY, THE LONG, SLOW MARCH THROUGH THE COMPUTER ACTIVITY INSIDE THE ENTWISTLE HOME. I GET IT. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS AT THE KEYBOARD. IN THIS PARTICULAR SENSE, THE PATTERNS ARE PRETTY TELLING. WHAT ARE YOU MAKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING THIS MORNING? >> WHAT I'M MAKING OF IT IS IT'S ALMOST MINUTE BY MINUTE, THIS THIS LAPTOP WAS USED TO SEARCH FOR ESCORT SITES, AIRLINE TICKETS, JOBS, ADULT FRIEND FINDER. IT'S JUST A MOUND OF EVIDENCE THAT THIS LAB TOP WAS PUT TO BLISTERING USE. >> AND THEN WE BROKE RIGHT BEFORE EVERYTHING I WAS WAITING FOR, AND THAT WAS USE THAT CARRIED ON TO THE 20th WHICH IS THE DAY THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE SAID HE FOUND -- HE DISCOVERED THE MURDERS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY AND THEN JUST TOOK OFF. NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT THERE WAS COMPUTER USE ON THE 20th, AND THEY BROKE BEFORE THEY TOLD US WHAT IT WAS. >> CLIFF HANGER. EVERYBODY WAS WAITING. THEN ALL OF THE SUDDEN IT WAS JUST LIKE, NO, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT TOMORROW. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT IT DOES SEND THE JURY HOME THINKING LIKE THE REST OF US WHAT'S COMING UP. HERE WE GO. JANUARY 20th, 2006, THE DAY OF THE MURDERS. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING. >> AND LISTEN, I GET BLACKBERRIES, I GET ALL THE REST. WE'RE ALWAYS ON THE GO, WE CHECK E-MAIL NO MATTER WHAT. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE TOO DISTRAUGHT TO CALL 911 OR CALL FOR HELP BUT NOT TOO DISTRAUGHT TO LOGON TO ANY SITE. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ADULT FRIEND FINDER. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S EBAY. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT -- HOW DO YOU CALL 911, IT IS A LITTLE ODD, THAT CAN'T BE LOST IN THIS COURTROOM, JOE? >> NOT AT ALL. IT WON'T BE LOST. TOMORROW IS THE DAY. JANUARY 20th, THE DAY THIS MOTHER AND BABY GIRL WERE MURDERED, THEY WERE ARM IN ARM. YOU SAW THE CLOTHING THEY WERE WEARING, HOW BLOODY IT WAS, THAT'S STILL FRESH IN THE JURY'S MIND. NOW THEY WANT TO KNOW, OKAY, TELL US WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT LAPTOP ON THAT VERY DAY. >> OKAY, JOE. I WANT TO PLAY SOMETHING -- I'M GOING BACK A COUPLE OF DAYS IN TESTIMONY ONLY BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT -- I'M A NEW MOM, SO I THINK MAYBE IT STICKS WITH ME MORE THAN OTHERS. BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE DEEPLY AFFECTED BY SOME OF THIS TESTIMONY. IT WAS ONE THE MOMENT WHEN ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS WAS ON THE STAND AND HELD UP THE CLOTHING THAT THE LITTLE BABY LILLIAN WAS WEARING WHEN SHE WAS SHOT. SIGNIFICANT NOT BECAUSE IT'S GRAPHIC, BUT SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF THE PATTERN OF THE BLOODSTAINING. A LOT OF BLOOD IN THE BACK, NOT AS MUCH IN THE FRONT. IT INDICATES THAT IT WASN'T AS VISIBLE THAT SHE HAD BEEN SHOT IN THE WAY THE BODY WAS POSITIONED. LET ME PLAY THAT TESTIMONY FOR A MOMENT AND ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. HAVE A LOOK. >> I BELIEVE THE DAMAGE -- YOU SAID THERE WAS A HOLE IN THE FRONT OF THAT. >> IT'S RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT CHEST AREA. >> AND THE BACK SIDE, IF YOU COULD, AGAIN, POINTING OUT THE RED-BROWN STAINED AREAS AND THE LOCATION OF THE HOLE. I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS HOLE NUMBER TWO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. ALMOST THE ENTIRE BACK SIDE OF THE ITEM WAS RED-BROWN STAINED. THIS WHOLE NUMBER TWO IS RIGHT HERE, BASICALLY IN THE CENTER BACK. THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY AN EIGHTH OF AN INCH IN DIAMETER. >> HOLDING UP THE LAST CLOTHING THAT LILLIAN ENTWISTLE EVER WORE. AT THE SAME TIME SHE ALSO STOOD UP AND LEFT THE WITNESS BOX TO DISPLAY THE SLEEPERS THAT WERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT ONESIE WHICH SHOWED THE SAME KIND OF PATTERN STAINS, A LOT OF BLOOD ON THE BACK AND NOT AS MUCH ON THE FRONT. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN I'M LOOKING AT YVONNE ENTWISTLE AND CLIFF TOWARD ENTWISTLE, NEIL'S FATHER. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE UNABLE TO WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON IN COURT. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT MOMENT WAS LIKE IN THAT COURTROOM? >> YES. AT THAT VERY MOMENT, YVONNE 20 GASPED, SHE LET OUT A GASP AND WOMEN PERRED FOR QUITE A WHILE. IT'S JUST THE POWER OF THE SLEEPER. THERE IT IS. IT'S A ONSIE, WE ALL KNOW IT. ANYONE WHO HAS A KID, A NIECE OR NEPHEW. YOU ZIP THEM UP, KEEP THEM SHOT. THERE IT IS A BULLET HOLD, A CONTACT SHOT WHERE THE GUN WAS PRESSED AGAINST THIS 9-MONTH-OLD BABY GIRL AND THE TRIGGER PULLED. THERE YOU GO. YOU SEE IT. YOU SEE THE HOLE, AND IT WAS THE SLEEPER, THE WHITE SLEEPER WITH PINK POLKA DOTS THAT MADE THE MOTHER CRY. >> WHAT ABOUT NEIL? WHAT WAS HIS REACTION TO ALL OF THIS? >> HE ALSO DROPPED HIS HEAD. HE COVERED HIS EYES. IT WAS AN EMOTIONAL MOMENT FOR HIM, TOO. HE LOOKED AWAY, AND THEN HE LOOKED BACK. YOU COULDN'T AVOID IT. IN THAT COURTROOM, THAT'S THE MOMENT, AT LEAST FOR ME AS A REPORTER, THREE KIDS OF MY OWN. THAT'S THE MOMENT WHEN YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, THIS IS WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT. THIS IS A BABY CHILD THAT WAS MURDERED BY A LONG-BARRELED .22 RESOLVER COLT. THAT'S THE AM LEDGED MURDER WEAPON. YOU GOT TO SEE THE LAST BED CLOTHING THAT THE CHILD WORE. >> WAS THERE ANY REACTION FROM NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ATTORNEY. I KNOW STEPHANIE PAIGE SITS BESIDE HIM AND CASTS GLANCES TOWARDS HIM WHEN SOME OF THIS DIFFICULT TESTIMONY HAPPENS. DID SHE COMFORT HIM AT ALL AT THIS MOMENT? >> STEPHANIE'S JOB HAS BEEN TO KEEP AN EYE ON NEIL, KEEP AN EYE ON HIS REACTIONS. HE DID GLANCE AT HIM. THE OTHER CO-DEFENSE COUNSEL, ELLIOT WEINSTEIN IS REALLY ZEROED IN ON THE DEFENDANTS -- THE TESTIMONY I SHOULD SAY, THE PEOPLE UP THERE TESTIFYING. SO IT'S REALLY STEPHANIE'S JOB TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM. NEIL ENTWISTLE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB I BELIEVE OF KEEPING HIMSELF IN CONTROL AND IN THE EMOTIONAL MOMENTS, HE'S EMOTIONAL. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE PLAYED OUT IN COURT EVERY DAY. >> I WANT TO REMIND OUR VIEWERS, JOE, THAT WE'RE RELYING ON YOU AND ALL THE CORRESPONDENTS COVERING THIS FOR THIS SORT OF REACTION. WE'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED THAT WE CAN'T TRAIN OUR CAMERA ON MR. ENTWISTLE, THAT WOULD BE NEIL ENTWISTLE, WHILE THE TESTIMONY IS ON GOING. IT'S SOMETHING THIS JUDGE PREFERS, WE ABIDE BY THE RULES. SO WE CAN'T SHOW THOSE IMAGES. YOU'VE GOT TO BE LIVE IN THE COURTROOM TO BE ABLE TO WITNESS THAT STUFF. THE PARENTS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY, THOUGH. THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET REACTION SHOTS FROM THE PARENTS. >>> LET ME SWITCH GEARS A LITTLE MORE. I KNOW THE MURDER WEAPON IN THIS STORY HAS MADE AN APPEARANCE IN COURT BEFORE. IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, IT MADE QUITE A MORE SIGNIFICANT APPEARANCE. THE FIRST TIME THE MURDER WEAPON WAS BROUGHT INTO EVIDENCE, IT WAS HELD DOWN. AND THEN YOU SAW DEANNA DYING GAN HOLD IT UP FOR ALL TO SEE. I WAS DRAWN TO THAT. I COULDN'T STOP LOOKING AT IT, THINKING THIS IS IT, THIS IS WHAT SOMEBODY DECIDED TO PRESS INTO A BABY'S CHEST AND INTO A MOTHER'S FOREHEAD AND PULL THE TRIGGER. ANY REACTION FROM THE GALLERY, FROM THE JURORS AND, OF COURSE, THE ENTWISTLE FAMILY? >> NOT AS "AS THE BABY CLOTHING, CERTAINLY NOT AS MUCH AS THE DVD. IT IS IMPRESSIVE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WHEN YOU SEE THE GUN. IT'S NOT JUST A PISTOL. IT'S A LONG-BARRELED PISTOL. IT'S A VERY OMINOUS-LOOKING WEAPON. I THOUGHT THE PROSECUTION DID A GOOD JOB OF NOT SHOWING IT OFF RIGHT AWAY. THEN SHE HOLDS IT UP AND YOU GET A GOOD LUCK. SHE'S THE DNA EXPERT. SO SHE STARTS TO TESTIFY ABOUT THIS VERY WEAPON. SO THERE IT IS, YOU SEE IT, AND IT'S OMINOUS. IT HAS A REALLY STRONG PRESENCE IN THE COURT. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT MAYBE I WAS JUST READING INTO IT. WHEN I HEAR 22, I'M NEVER EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE WEAPON IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SOME PEOPLE WILL DISCARD THE IDEA OF A .22 BEING REALLY DOING ROUSE. MARK MY WORDS, THERE ARE MANY A MURDER COMMITTED WITH .22 CALIBER WEAPONS. THERE WAS TESTIMONY YESTERDAY, JOE, FROM THE MATES, THE PALS, MEMBERS OF THE CREW OF NEIL ENTWISTLE IN ENGLAND. THESE ARE MEN WHO HE SPENT SOME TIME WITH, HAD DINNER WITH, EVEN WENT TO A MOVIE I LEARNED, AFTER THE DEATHS OF HIS FAMILY. AND ONE OF THESE FRIENDS TOOK THE STAND, BENJAMIN PRYOR, AND TOLD WHAT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S VERSION OF EVENTS WERE ACCORDING TO NEIL AS HE MET HIM FOR DINNER JUST DAYS AFTER THE KILLING. LET'S LISTEN TO THAT. I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE. >> I SORT OF ASKED NEIL, HIS VERSION OF EVENTS, SO TO SPEAK, AS TO WHAT HAPPENED. HE SORT OF EXPLAINED THAT ON THE DAY RACHEL AND LILLIAN HAD DIED HE HAD GONE OUT THAT MORNING AND RETURNED AND UNFORTUNATELY FOUND THEM DEAD. >> JOE, HE WASN'T THE ONLY FRIEND WHO TOOK THE STAND AND HEARD -- ALLOWED US TO HEAR NEIL'S VERSION OF EVENTS TO HIS PAL. DASH ILL MENDING ALSO TOOK THE STAND. THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT INCONSISTENCIES IN WHAT NEIL TOLD HIS FRIENDS AND THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE. ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY STAND OUT TO YOU PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS? >> A COUPLE THINGS. ONE OF THEM, HE STATED TO HIS FRIENDS THAT HIS FINANCES WERE IN PERILOUS CONDITION. NOW WE GET THAT OUT ON THE TABLE. HE ALSO SAID HE FELT ISOLATED, THAT'S THE WORD THEY USED, THAT HE -- RACHEL'S FAMILY WAS MOURNING AND HE FELT ISOLATED. HE'S TELLING THEM THAT, LOOK, I KNEW ABOUT THE MURDERS AND WE ALL KIND OF COMMISERATED, AND THEN I FELT I HAD TO GET OUT OF THERE AND COME BACK HOME. HE'S TELLING THEM A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE STORY THAN WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PROSECUTION. >> I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT THAT LITTLE NUGGET THAT THE MATTERAZ MATTERAZZO'S WERE CONSOLING EACH OTHER AND NEIL WAS FEELING ON THE OUTS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T BEING NICE TO HIM, THAT ONE REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME, ALMOST LIKE WHEN SCOTT PETERSON GAVE US CROCODILE TEARS OVER THE DEATHS OF HIS WIFE LACEY. AND I WONDER, THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR WHERE I NEED CONSOLING IN THIS WHOLE STORY. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME IN THIS CASE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT. I'M WONDERING IF IT WASN'T LOST ON THE JURY. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS LOST AT ALL. I'M LOOKING AT THE JURORS, THEY'RE TAKING AS MANY NOTES AS I AM. I THINK THEY'RE CATCHING EVERYTHING. I THINK EARLY ON IN THE CASE, SOME OF THESE THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN MISSED. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WAS SO SMART OF THE PROSECUTION TO SLOWLY ROLE IT OUT, GET THEM USED TO, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF FOOKTS. THEY'RE STARTING TO BUILD UP. I BELIEVE THEY CAUGHT EVERY WORD. >> ALL RIGHT. THERE WERE SOME WORDS AS WELL THAT WERE PHYSICALLY DISPLAYED IN COURT YESTERDAY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS, OTHER THAN THE FACT I WAS JUST SORT OF -- I DON'T KNOW, I WAS STUNNED. THESE WERE THE CARDS THAT WERE WRITTEN BY THE FLORIST WHO NEIL ENTWISTLE CALLED TO SEND FLOWERS. AND THE FIRST CARD WITH A SINGLE ORANGE ROSE AND A SINGLE LILLY. THE REQUEST HE SAID WAS PLEASE RIGHT MY ORANGE ROSE AND MY LILLY FOR ALWAYS, XO XO XO. HE REQUESTED A SECOND CARD BE WRITTEN TO RACHEL, OUR PRESS SHOWS GRANDMOTHER, >> THERE WAS ANOTHER FUNERAL SPRAY THAT WAS ORDERED AS WELL. THERE WAS A CARD. IT SUGGESTED THAT THIS IS FROM THE FRIENDS AND FAMILY IN THE U.K. WHAT WAS THE REACTION IN COURT WHEN THOSE CARDS WERE DISPLAYED AND READ AND EVERYBODY KNEW IT WAS NEIL ENTWISTLE ON THE PHONE ORDERING FLOWERS AND A CARD BUT NOT ORDERING A FLIGHT TO COME TO THE FUNERAL OF HIS DEAD WIFE AND DAUGHTER? >> WELL, WHAT STICKS IN MY MIND IS WHAT THE CO-FE DEFENSE COUNSEL DID, SHE JUMPED RIGHT UP AFTER THE TESTIMONY BY THE MOTHER-DAUGHTER TEAM AT THE FLORIST COMPANY AND SAID, LOOK, PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY WHEN THERE'S A FUNERAL, AND DO THEY OFTEN DO THAT? DO THEY OFTEN WANT SPECIFICITY? THEY SAID, YES, IT'S TRUE. I'M GOING BACK IN MY MEMORY TO ACTUALLY THE FUNERAL AND THE WAKE ITSELF. PEOPLE WERE HOLDING LILLIES. THAT'S LILLIAN ROSE'S NICKNAME, LITTLE LILLY. SO IT MADE SENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS -- I DON'T KNOW IF I'D PUT THAT IN THE TOP ECHELON OF BIG MOMENTS IN THIS CASE, BUT IT WAS NICE DETAIL AND IT WAS GOOD TO INTRODUCE I THINK. >> THERE WAS ALSO SOME TALK AND WE JUST ACTUALLY TALKED WITH BETH KARAS ABOUT THE LETTER THAT WAS SO CONTESTED. IT'S A LETTER THAT -- I THINK IT WAS YOUR PAPER PRINTED, IT WAS DISCOVERED IN NEIL ENTWISTLE'S CELL. IT WAS A LETTER HE HAD WRITTEN TO HIS ATTORNEYS STEPHANIE PAIGE AND ELLIOT WEINSTEIN. I WISH TO BE CREAM MATED AND HAVE IF POSSIBLE HAVE MY ASHERS SCATTERED ON LICH EL AND LILLIAN'S GRAVE. >> RATHER TELLING, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE THIS IS GOING TO MATTER MUCH IN THIS CASE. ONLY IF SOME OF THE JURORS READ THE STORY IN THE HERALD, EIGHT OF THEM, AT LEAST HALF OF THEM SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF ALL THIS? >> I THOUGHT -- I'VE KNOWN THAT LETTER, KNOWN THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE. I THOUGHT, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S JUST ANOTHER AMBIGUOUS LETTER. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T SAY, YOU KNOW -- IT'S NOT CLEAR-CUT. IT'S, LOOK, I'M DEPRESSED, SCATTER MY ASHES ON THEIR GRAVE. WHO KNOWS? IT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A BLACK AND WHITE. THIS CASE -- IT'S STARTING TO BUILD -- THE PROSECUTION IS DOING A GREAT JOB I THINK, ESPECIALLY TODAY. BUT THAT LETTER, I DON'T THINK IT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON THE CASE. BUT IT'S ANOTHER INTERESTING ITEM. >> JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS OR NOT. DID THIS LETTER EVER MAKE ITS WAY TO ELLIOT AND STEPHANIE, OR WAS IT SIMPLY FOUND IN HIS CELL AND NEVER SENT OR MEANT TO BE READ UNLESS SOMETHING DIRE HAD HAPPENED? >> JUST SO I GET MY FACTS STRAIGHT, I BELIEVE THAT WE LEARNED OF IT -- THE REPORTERS LEARNED OF IT. WE REPORTED IT AND THEY MADE A -- WAY WANTED TO BRING THE REPORTERS IN, THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. SO IT WAS IN THE CELL AS BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AS I CAN REMEMBER. >> OKAY. I THINK THIS REALLY MATTERS, IF WE READ IT, WE THINK ONE DAY MY MOOD WAS FINE, THE NEXT -- THEN IT STARTED TO DARKEN. SOMEBODY MIGHT READ INTO THAT, SO, YOU KILLED YOUR FAMILY. IF IT'S IN YOUR CELL AND HE SAYS IF YOU'RE READING THIS, THEN IT GOT WORSE. PERHAPS THIS WAS A SUICIDE NOTE SAYING ONE DAY IN PRISON MY MOOD WAS FINE ABOUT ALL THIS AND THEN I JUST DECIDED TO END IT ALL. IT COULD MEAN TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS IF HE NEVER ACTUALLY SEVENTY THE LETTER. NOBODY SHOULD READ INTO IT. CERTAINLY THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THIS WAS A CONTESTED ISSUE FOR THIS JURY. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO. NOT ONLY ARE I DON'T WRITING AND BLOGGING, BUT ALSO A SENIOR EXECUTIVE CITY EDITOR OF YOUR PAPER. YOU'RE A BUSY MAN. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING ALL OF THESE 15 MINUTES PLUS TO TALK WITH US. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT TIME, JOE. >> THANKS SO MUCH, JOE DOOM MEL, COVERING THE CASE AND TALKING TO US ABOUT IT. I THINK HE AND I AND ANY OF YOU VIEWERS WHO FIND THIS INTRIGUING ARE ON A CLIFF HANGER, WHAT WAS SEARCHED ON THE 20th, THE DAY THOSE TWO DIED. SO THIS IS 13th JUROR TIME. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY IF YOU WERE ON THAT JURY AND YOU HAVE THE 13th SEAT. YOU LOGON TO CNN.COM/CRIME, CLICK ON 13th JUROR. WILL ENTWISTLE'S FRIENDS' TESTIMONY HELP THE PROSECUTION? 3/4 OF YOU SAYING YOU BET. 28% NOT SO SURE. STILL WAITING FOR ELLIOT WEINSTEIN TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THE DEFENSE. WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON THE RESULTS. STAY WITH US. >>> PROSECUTION WITNESSES DESCRIBE A DNA AND COMPUTER TRAIL POINTING THEY SAY TO NEIL ENTWISTLE. THE DEFENSE SAYS THERE IS MUCH MORE TO THIS STORY. WE'RE BACK LIVE IN 90 SECONDS. >>> HE SAID THAT HE LEFT THE HOUSE AND THAT HE WENT TO THE MATTERAZZO'S HOUSE, JOE AND PRISCILLA, THINKING THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE HE KNEW THAT THERE MIGHT BE FIREARMS. >> DID HE TELL YOU WHY HE HAD GONE DOWN THERE FOR FIREARMS? >> HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE SECURE AND THAT NOTHING WAS WRONG, NOTHING WAS MISSING. >>> SOME TESTIMONY, THEN ANOTHER OF THE FRIENDS OF NEIL ENTWISTLE, SOMEONE WHO MET THEM DURING THEIR TIME, AS HE SAID, AT THE UNIVERSITY IN 1998 OVER AT THE U.K. WE'LL PICK UP WITH SOME MORE OF HIS TESTIMONY. THIS IS TESTIMONY FROM YESTERDAY THAT HE HASN'T SEEN. WHEN HE ACTUALLY HAS CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIL ENTWISTLE, THIS IS AFTER THE DEATH OF HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER. DEATHS THE PROSECUTION SAYS HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, THE DEFENSE SAYS SOMEONE ELSE DID IT. HE TALKS WITH NEIL ENTWISTLE AND HE NEIL TELLS HIM WHAT HE FOUND IN TERMS OF THE BODIES AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR THE PROSECUTION, WHAT HE DID AFTERWARDS. >> KING'S CROSS TRAIN STATION. >> WHEN YOU MET HIM THERE, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> WELL, I GREETED HIM, GAVE HIM A LIFT BACK TO MY PLACE ON THE BACK OF MY MOTOR BIKE. I THINK HE PROBABLY SAT AND HAD SOME DINNER. >> OVER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS DID YOU SPEND SOME TIME WITH HIM? >> YES, I DID. >> WHETHER OR NOT YOU SPENT SOME TIME WITH BENJAMIN PRYOR AS WELL. >> WE SPENT TIME TOGETHER, ALL THREE OF US. >> DO YOU RECALL OVER THE COURSE OF THE TIME HAVING CONVERSATION WITH THE DEFENDANT ABOUT CERTAIN EVENTS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES? >> YES. >> AND TELL US WHAT YOU RECALL ABOUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS? >> COULD YOU PLEASE BE LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? WOULD YOU LIKE A NARRATIVE? >> WELL, DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING INVOLVING RACHEL AND LILLIAN? >> YES. >> WHAT DID HE TELL YOU FIRST? >> HE TOLD ME THAT ON THE DAY THAT THEY WERE FOUND A DEAD, HE LEFT THE HOUSE QUITE EARLY IN THE MORNING, LEAVING THEM ASLEEP, I THINK. >> DID HE SAY WHAT TIME HE WENT OUT? >> BEFORE 9:00. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PRECISE TIME. >> DID HE TELL YOU WHERE HE WENT? >> HE SAID THAT HE WENT SHOPPING. I THINK HE MENTIONED THE STORE STAPLES. >> WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS HOME OR THE CONDITION OF THE HOME WHEN HE LEFT IT? >> HE SAID THAT HE LEFT THE BACK DOOR UNLOCKED. >> WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT WHEN HE WAS OUT SHOPPING? >> THAT HE DIDN'T PURCHASE ANYTHING. >> DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE OBSERVED WHEN HE ARRIVED HOME? >> HE SAID THAT THE BACK DOOR WAS STILL UNLOCKED WHEN HE CAME BACK, AND THAT THERE WAS NOTHING DISTURBED PARTICULARLY IN THE HOUSE UNTIL HE WENT TO HIS BEDROOM WHERE HE FOUND RACHEL AND LILLIAN UNDER A BLANKET. >> DID HE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER HE HAD CONTACTED ANYBODY WHEN HE FOUND THEM? >> NOT WHEN HE FOUND THEM, HE DIDN'T SAY HE CONTACTED ANYBODY AT THE MOMENT HE FOUND THEM, NO. >> WHAT DID HE TELL YOU NEXT? >> HE SAID THAT HE LEFT THE HOUSE AND THAT HE WENT TO THE MATTERAZZO HOUSE, JOE AND PRISCILLA, THINKING THAT THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE HE KNEW THERE MIGHT BE FIREARMS. >> DID HE TELL YOU WHY HE HAD GONE DOWN THERE FOR FIREARMS? >> HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE SECURE AND THAT NOTHING WAS WRONG, NOTHING WAS MISSING. >> DID HE TELL YOU HOW HE FOUND THE MATTERAZZO'S HOME? >> HE SAID IT WAS LOCKED AND NO ONE WAS THERE. >> AND NO ONE WAS THERE? >> YEAH. >> WHAT DID HE TELL YOU NEXT? >> FROM THERE HE SAID HE WENT TO PRISCILLA'S OFFICE, AND THAT HE MADE A TELEPHONE CALL AND SPOKE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE. >> YOU'RE NOT SURE WHICH AGENCY SF. >> I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE. >> DID HE SAY WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH PRISCILLA OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY? >> I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT HE DID. HE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY SO. >> WHAT DID HE TELL YOU HAPPENED NEXT? >> THAT HE LEFT THE OFFICE AND DROVE FOR SOME TIME, THAT HE FOUND HIMSELF AT THE AIRPORT AFTER DRIVING FOR A WHILE AND THAT HE WANTED TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY, THAT HE WANTED SUPPORT FROM THEM AND THAT HE BOOKED HIMSELF ON A FLIGHT IN THE EARLY MORNING HAVING SPENT THE NIGHT -- >> WAS THIS THE EARLY MORNING AFTER HE TOLD YOU HE FOUND RACHEL AND LILLIAN? >> THE MORNING FOLLOWING, YEAH. >> WHAT DID HE SAY HE FLEW? WHAT DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT THAT? >> HE THREW TO LONDON, I BELIEVE. AND FROM THERE WENT TO HIS -- >>> WELCOME BACK. I'M JACK FORD. >> I'M ASHLEIGH BANFIELD. IT'S ONE OF THOSE CLIFFHANGER DAYS. YOU'RE NOT MYING ANY TESTIMONY. THEY HAD HAD A QUICK BREAK. NOT BEFORE LEAVING US WITH A LITTLE DIDDY. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OUT TO BETH KARAS AND SHE'S GOING TO BRING US UP TO SPEED. SHE'S JOINED BY F. LEE BAILEY. WE'LL CHECK IN WITH HIM FOR A MOMENT. BETH, THEY WRAPPED UP THEIR TESTIMONY FOR THEIR SESSION THIS MORNING, AND AS ASHLEIGH SAID, SORT OF LEFT US ALL ON THE EDGE OF OUR SEAT HERE. FILL US IN ON WHAT LED UP TO THAT AND WHAT THAT SORT OF DRAMATIC BREAK IS ALL ABOUT. >> Reporter: WELL, A POLICE OFFICER WHO HAS EXPERTISE IN COMPUTER FORENSICS HAS BEEN TESTIFYING FOR HOURS ABOUT HIS ANALYSIS OF SEARCHES DONE ON ONE OF TWO LAPTOPS SEIZED BY SEARCH WARRANT FROM THE ANT ENTWISTLE HOME. HE'S TALK ABOUT A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THAT COMPUTER IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE KILLINGS. HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT SEARCHES FOR JOBS, SEARCHES FOR ESCORTS, MAPS PRESUMABLY TO SOME OF THESE ESCORT SERVICES. HE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF SEARCHES ON JANUARY 16th AND JANUARY 18th. THE MURDERS ARE ON THE 20th. HOW TO KILL WITH A KNIFE. HOW TO KILL -- KNIFE AND NECK KILL WAS THE SEARCH. OF COURSE, THESE MURDERS WERE NOT DONE WITH A KNIFE. THEY WERE DONE WITH A GUN. AND AT THE END, BEFORE BREAKING, EVERYTHING'S BEEN IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE MURDERS, WE HEAR ABOUT THREE SEARCHES AT 12:30 IN THE AFTERNOON, SECONDS APART, BY USER "ENT," WHICH PROSECUTION BELIEVES IS NEIL ENTWISTLE. IT'S 12:30 JANUARY 20th. NEIL'S STATEMENT IS THAT HE CAME HOME 11:00 IN THE MORNING JANUARY 20th AND FOUND THEIR FAMILY SHOT IN BED IN THE MASTER BEDROOM AND THEN HE SORT OF PANICED AND HE LEFT. BUT NOT BEFORE THINKING ABOUT KILLING HIMSELF, USING A KNIFE. WELL, SOMEBODY IS IN HIS HOUSE, ASSUMING THE COMPUTER IS IN THERE SND THAT IS WHERE THE COMPUTER IS SEIZED, SAME DAY, AN HOUR AND A HALF AFTER ENTWISTLE SAYS HE FOUND THE BODIES DEAD. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS SEARCHING, AND WHAT HE WAS SEARCHING IS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANT IS THERE WAS A SEARCH BEING DONE WITH THESE BODIES IN THE MASTER BEDROOM. MAYBE WE'VE HEARD THE KEY PART OF THAT TESTIMONY, THAT SOMEONE WAS ON THE COMPUTER AT 12:30. >> TO SORT OF CONDENSE THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD YESTERDAY FROM TWO OF NEIL ENTWISTLE'S FRIENDS FROM GREAT BRITAIN, WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIS VERSION TO THEM ABOUT WHAT HE DISCOVERED THE BODIES OF HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND WHAT HE DID AFTERWARDS AND WHY IS THAT SO IMPORTANT TO THE PROSECUTION? >> Reporter: WELL, BECAUSE THE PROSECUTION IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LOT OF STATEMENTS THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE. HE TALKED WAY TOO MUCH, I'M SURE, HIS ATTORNEYS PROBABLY PREFERRED HE DIDN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY, OF COURSE, ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE CAME HOME AND FOUND HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER DEAD IN THE BED. BUT TO HIS FRIENDS HE MADE STATEMENTS WHICH WE WILL LEARN LATER I BELIEVE ARE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT HE HAS TOLD THE POLICE. THE POLICE STATEMENT IS STILL TO COME. THAT'S AMONG THE FINAL WITNESSES, AND THAT WAS A TWO-HOUR TAPE-RECORDED CONVERSATION ON JANUARY 23rd FROM THE UK TO MASSACHUSETTS. TO HIS TWO FRIENDS IN THE DAYS BEFORE HIS ARREST WHERE HE WAS SPENDING SOME TIME IN LONDON. HE NEEDED TO GET AWAY FROM HIS PARENTS' HOUSE BECAUSE THE MEDIA WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND HE NEEDED TO GET AWAY, HE SAID. SO ON FEBRUARY 7th AND 8th HE'S WITH HIS FRIENDS. ON THE 9th HE GETS ARRESTED. BOTH FRIENDS TESTIFIED THAT THEY ASKED HIM, WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT'S GOING ON? AND THAT HE TOLD THEM WHAT HAPPENED. HE TOLD THEM AT A DINNER BUT HE'S STAYING AT THE HOME OF ONE OF THEM SO THE STORY IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BOTH FRIENDS WERE PRESUMABLY TOLD SEPARATELY ABOUT THE INCIDENT. WHAT HE SAYS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT LEAVING THE HOUSE THAT HE LIVED IN AND GOING TO HIS IN-LAWS' HOUSE AND WHY HE WENT THERE. TO ONE OF THEM HE SAYS, AFTER FINDING HIS WIFE AND CHILD, HE WENT TO THERE BECAUSE HE KNEW THERE WAS A GUN THERE AND HE'S CONSIDERING KILLING HIMSELF WITH A GUN. WE HAD HEARD THAT BEFORE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD THE POLICE. HE COULDN'T GET IN. THE HOUSE WAS LOCKED. NOBODY WAS HOME. TO THE OTHER FRIEND, HE SAYS, I WENT TO THE IN LAWS BECAUSE I KNEW GUNS WERE THERE AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE NONE WAS MY MISSING PG AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS SECURE. NOTHING ABOUT KILLING HIMSELF. A PRETTY KEY INCONSISTENCY. >> OBVIOUSLY THE PROSECUTION WILL POUND ON THAT. LET'S SWITCH OVER TO LEE BAILEY. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WE MENTIONED IN THE INTRODUCTION ONE OF THE NEWEST BOOKS YOU'RE INVOLVED IN, WRITING THE COMMENTARY TO A BOOK CALLED WHEN THE HUSBAND IS A SUSPECT CERTAINLY AN APPROPRIATE ONE TO FOCUS ON HERE. I WANT TO GO TO A COUPLE OF YOUR MORE FAMOUS TRIALS HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS NOTION OF THE HUSBAND AS A SUSPECT, HOW YOU DEFEND HIM UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. WE GO BACK TO SAM SHEPHERD, THE BRINGBOARD FOR THAT LUMINOUS CAREER YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IF. I THINK I MENTIONED I TEACH A COURSE IN YALE IN THE FALL, TRIALS OF THE CENTURY, I TEACH ABOUT THAT. SAM SHEPHERD, A PROMINENT DOCTOR FROM A PROMINENT FAMILY OF DOCTORS IN THAT AREA AROUND CLEVELAND, AND HE BECAME VERY QUICKLY -- LET ME MENTION TO PEOPLE THAT YOU DIDN'T REPRESENT HIM IN THE FIRST TRIAL WHERE HE WAS CONVICTED. YOU REPRESENTED HIM BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, HAD IT OVERTURNED, AND THEN YOU REPRESENTED HIM WHERE HE WAS FOUND IN THE GUILTY IN A SUBSEQUENT TRIAL. WHY, LEE, DID HE BECOME A PROMINENT SUSPECT SO VERY QUICKLY? >> THAT CASE AND NOT TO BE LUMPED WITH OTHERS WHERE COVERAGE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM INVOLVED THE USE OF EDITORIALS, FRONT PAGE BANNER-HEADED EIGHT-COLUMN EDITORIALS, TELLING THE POLICE, TELLING PROSPECTIVE JURORS, THIS GUY DID IT. HE'S SMART. HE'S A DOCTOR. HE'S HIDDEN THE EVIDENCE. DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. AND SUCCESSFULLY TREVORED TO THE DEFENSE IN THE SHEPHERD CASE BEFORE THE TRIAL EVER STARTED THE BURDEN OF PROOF. HE HAD HAD TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE. THAT, IN ESSENCE, IS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE, BUT IT'S BEING DONE NOT WITH EDITORIALS BUT WITH HARD EVIDENCE. I WOULD SAY THE BURDEN NOW HAS SHIFTED TO THE DEFENSE TO COME UP WITH EXPLANATIONS FOR ALL OF THESE RATHER INCRIMINATING CHUNKS OF EVIDENCE. >> IS THIS, AGAIN, GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE HERE -- WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME TAPE OF YOU AND SAM SHEPHERD FOLLOWING THE SUPREME COURT DECISION AND THEN MOVING ON INTO THE SUBSEQUENT TRIAL -- IS IT THEN JUST SORT OF INTUITIVELY EXPECTED THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A MURDER SUCH AS THIS, FIRST SUSPECT UP ON THE BOARD, THE HUSBAND? >> THAT IS TRUE IN EVERY CASE WHERE THERE IS NOT ANOTHER SUSPECT OR WHERE THE EVIDENCE BEGINS TO POP UP THAT THE HUSBAND WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR OR HAD HAD SOME OTHER MOTIVE TO KILL HIS WIFE. AND I'M ELIMINATING THOSE RAGE KILLINGS WHICH HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF DOMESTIC DISPUTES THAT GET OUT OF HAND. I'M TALKING ABOUT PLANNED KILLINGS. IN THE SHEPPARD CASE COULD HAVE BEEN EITHER. A HUSBAND IS GOING TO POP TO THE SURFACE IF NOBODY ELSE DOES. ONCE AGAIN, HE PRETTY MUCH HAS THE BURDEN OF SHOWING THAT HE DIDN'T DO IT IF HE WANTS TO AVOID INDICTMENT. >> LET ME JUMP TO ANOTHER OF YOUR TRIALS. THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT ENTWISTLE. O.J. SIMPSON DESCRIBED AS THE TRIAL OF THE CENTURY. I'VE SAID THE TRIAL OF THAT GENERATION. YOU WERE INVOLVED. I SAT THROUGH THE WHOLE TRIAL. WE WOULD TALK DURING THE COURSE OF IT. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT O.J. SIMPSON, WAS HE DIFFERENT IN ANY FASHION IN TERMS OF INITIALLY THE PUBLIC CONCLUDING IN THEIR MINDS EARLY ON THAT THE HUSBAND WAS NOT ONLY THE SUSPECT BUT ALSO THE KILLER? >> HE WAS DIFFERENT IN THIS RESPECT -- I THINK HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THE SO-CALLED LOW-SPEED CHASE, WHICH IS A BIT OF AN OXYMORON -- IT WAS AN ESCORT BACK TO HIS HOUSE WHERE HE WAS GOING TO SURRENDER. BUT THE MERE FACT THAT HE TOOK OFF WAS SO TERRIBLY DAMAGING THAT AT SOME POINT PEOPLE CAST IN STONE THE FACT THAT HE HAD DONE IT. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE EVIDENCE WAS REALLY PALTRY WHEN THE TRIAL ROLLED AROUND, HE NEVER REALLY GOT TO PUT ON MUCH OF A DEFENSE. WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF JURORS. THE PROSECUTION WANTED A MISTRIAL. SO THAT TRUNCATED THE PUBLIC PICTURE OF IT. THE IRONIC THING IS, BOTH O.J. AND SHEPPARD IN DIFFERENT WAYS WERE HAMMERED BY NEWS REPORTS. O.J. WAS ACQUITTED, BUT MOST PEOPLE PAY LITTLE ATTENTION TO WHAT THE JURY'S VERDICT WAS. >> YOU MENTIONED SEPPAR. AS PART OF MY CURRICULUM AND MY STUDENTS -- THESE ARE STUDENTS -- REMEMBER THE SAM SHEPPARD MURDER JULY 1954, I WAS ONLY FOUR YEARS OLD. CERTAINLY MY COLLEGE STUDENTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHED BY WHAT THE MEDIA COVERAGE WAS AT THE TIME, AS YOU SAID, HEADLINES IN THE NEWSPAPER SAYING, WHY IS SAM SHEPPARD NOT CHARGED? THE MEDIA SITTING WITHIN THE WELL OF THE FIRST TRIAL, AS YOU KNOW. SORT OF COMMUNICATING WITH JURORS DURING THE COURSE OF IT. SO IT CERTAINLY -- YOU HAD ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS THERE. WE WERE WATCHING SOME OF THE O.J. TAPE BEFORE, AND IT WAS YOU DOING THE CROSS-EXAMINATION OF MARM FERMEN. SOME SAY IT WAS THE MOST CRITICAL PART OF THE O.J. CRIMINAL CASE. ALL OF THOSE LESSONS -- WE'RE SEEING THAT RIGHT NOW -- AS A BACKDROP ABOUT THE HUSBAND, THE SUSPECT, YOUR CASES, GOING BACK TO NEIL ENTWISTLE, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE TO GET ON THE STAND AND TESTIFY IN ORDER FOR JURORS TO TRUM MAINTAIN SOME PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE ON HIS BEHALF? BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS AND THE RELATIONSHIP AND THOSE SUBSEQUENT THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. >> WELL, THIS IS A REAL INTERESTING CHOICE. IT'S NEVER RIGHT OR NEVER WRONG UNTIL THE JURY COMES BACK. IF I WERE DEFENDING THE CASE, I WOULD CERTAINLY DISCOURAGE NEIL ENTWISTLE FROM GETTING ON THE STAND BECAUSE HE COULD DRIVE HOME THE NAILS IN THE TOP OF THE COFFIN. ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S NO DEATH PENALTY IN THIS STATE SO THE RISK IS MUCH DIMINISHED AS AGAINST, SAY, A SCOTT PETERSON WHO FACED THAT CHOICE. BUT HE HAS SO MUCH TO EXPLAIN THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IS CAPABLE OF CREDIBLE EXPLANATION THAT HE BEST STAY IN HIS SEAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. >> JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY WE'VE TALKED TO HAS GIVEN THAT SAME RESPONSE, THAT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS THERE. HOW WOULD YOU THEN DEAL, AS HIS DEFENSE ATTORNEY -- LET'S SAY YOU MADE THAT DECISION IN CONJUNCTION FOR HIM TO NOT TESTIFY -- WHAT YOU KNOW HAS TO BE CIRCULATING IN THE MINDS OF JURORS, IF I EVER WAS CHARGED WITH MURDERING MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER OR MY HUSBAND AND DAUGHTER AND I WAS INNOCENT, YOU COULDN'T KEEP ME OFF OF THAT WITNESS STAND. HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH WHAT YOU KNOW HAS GOT TO BE IN THEIR MINDS? >> IT'S AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT ISSUE TO ARGUE, WHY THE DEFENDANT DIDN'T TESTIFY. NOBODY CAN COMMENT ON IT OFFICIALLY, BUT I THINK MAYBE DEFENDANTS WERE BETTER OFF IN THE OLD DAYS IN ENGLAND. THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO TESTIFY. THERE WAS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN. I HAVE NO IDEA AT THIS POINT, I MUST SAY, WHAT IT IS THAT DEFENSE COUNSEL INTENDS TO TELL THE JURY AND TO ASK THEM FOR WHEN THIS CASE CONCLUDES. ONCE AGAIN, THE PARALLELS TO THE SCOTT PETERSON CASE ARE TOUGH. THERE'S NO INSANITY PLEA HERE. SCOTT PETERSON INTIMATED HE WOULD DISCLOSE WHO HAD HAD REALLY KILLED HIS WIFE, AND I THINK THE JURY IS PROBABLY THINKING THAT, SHORT OF THAT, THIS GUY IS IN TROUBLE. >> WELL, GOOD OBSERVATIONS. LEE, WE'RE DELIGHTED YOU'RE SPENDING TIME WITH US HERE. WE'RE GOING TO FIT IN A QUICK BREAK OF OUR OWN. ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR COVERAGE, TAKING LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE INSIDE OF THAT COURTROOM, INCLUDING TESTIMONY AND INCLUDING SOME A CONVERSATION WITH A WOMAN WHO WROTE A BOOK ABOUT NEIL E ENTWISTLE. YOU KNOW, THAT COMES LOCAL RESPONSE AND 24/7 LIVE SUPPORT, WOW! I SAY IT LOUDER. HAVE A GREAT DAY! LOTS OF EXTRA FEATURES THAT DON'T COST YOU EXTRA. NOW, THAT'S PROGRESSIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO RUN AROUND TOWN TRACK DOWN A RENTAL CAR, AND THEN YOU TO SEE IF YOUR CAR WITH PROGRESSIVE, TO THEIR GIVE THEM A CALL, AND THEY GIVE YOU PROGRESSIVE EVEN TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING AND THAT'S PROGRESSIVE. CALL OR CLICK TODAY. >> I FOUND SOMETHING INTERESTING >> I FOUND SOMETHING INTERESTING YESTERDAY DURING TESTIMONY. I FIND SOMETHING INTERESTING EVERY DAY DURING TESTIMONY, BUT THIS ONE KIND OF STUCK OUT. I HAD HAD HEARD A LOT OF THE COLORED DETAILS ABOUT WHAT NEIL ENTWISTLE DID IN ENGLAND BEFORE HE WAS EXTRADITED HOME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HE WENT TO MOVIES, DIDN'T KNOW HE WENT TO "FUN WITH DIK & JANE" WITH TWO OF HIS PALS. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GO TO THE MOVIES IF YOU'VE MURDERED YOUR WIFE AND CHILD. OKAY, NO, MAYBE HE DIDN'T MURDER THEM. BUT IF YOU DISCOVERED YOUR WIFE AND CHILD MURDERED AND THEN YOU GO TO THE MOVIES. JUST A FEW DAYS LATER. LISTEN, THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE MOUTH OF FRIENDS. THEY BOTH WENT -- ONE FRIEND TESTIFIED ON THE FRIEND ABOUT THIS OUTING, DINNER, MOVIES. THEN HE STARTED GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM THE POLICE ABOUT HIS FRIEND AND HOW THEY REALLY WANTED TO QUESTION HIM. NO. CORRECT THAT. ARREST HIS FRIEND. WHAT DID HE DO? WATCH HOW HE DESCRIBES ALL OF THIS. >> FRIEND ME ASK YOU THIS. DO YOU RECALL GOING TO DINNER WITH THEM PRIOR ON ONE EVENING AND THE DEFENDANT? >> I DO. >> AND DO YOU RECALL ANOTHER EVENING WHERE THE THREE OF YOU WENT OUT TO THE MOVIES? >> I DO. >> I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE NEXT MORNING. WERE YOU WITH THE DEFENDANT THAT MORNING? >> YES. >> AND HAD HE SPENT THE PREVIOUS TWO DAYS AT YOUR APARTMENT IN LONDON? >> YES, HE HAD HAD. >> WHAT TIME DO YOU REMEMBER GETTING UP? >> IT WAS A WORKDAY SO SOMETIME BETWEEN 7:00 AND 8:00. >> WAS THE DEFENDANT THERE WHEN YOU GOT UP? >> HE WAS. >> DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATION WITH HIM? >> I DID. >> TELL US WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT. >> THAT MORNING NEIL RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM HIS FATHER SAYING THAT THE POLICE WERE LOOKING TO ARREST HIM, AND NEIL TOLD ME HE WAS GOING TO GO BACK UP TO TALK TO THE POLICE. >> WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I OFFERED NEIL A LIFT BACK TO KING'S CROSS WHERE I HAD PICKED HIM UP FROM WHERE HE COULD GET A TRAIN BACK. >> DID HE ACCEPT THAT OFFER FOR A RIDE? >> NO. NO. HE PREFERRED TO MAKE HIS OWN WAY. >> SO WHAT DID YOU DO? >> NEIL AND I WALKED TO THE UNDERGROUND STATION SO HE COULD GET THE TUBE BY HIMSELF. >> THE TUBE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO A SUBWAY? >> PRECISELY. >> HOW LONG OF A WALK WAS THAT FROM YOUR HOME TO THE TUBE? >> FIVE MINUTES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> AND WHEN YOU GOT THERE, WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? >> I SAID MY GOOD-BYES TO NEIL, SHOOK HIS HAND AND SLAPPED HIM ON THE BACK, AND THAT WAS IT. I TRIED TO WISH HIM WELL AND MADE MY WAY BACK WALKING TO MANY MY HOUSE. >> WHERE DID HE GO? WHERE DID YOU SEE HIM GO? >> NEIL WALKED UP TO THE PLATFORM. >> AND THAT PLATFORM HEADED TO WHERE? TV. >> IT WAS A PLATFORM HEADING TO LONDON ON THE TRAIN. >> ON THE SUBWAY. >> YES AS YOU WERE WALKING HOME, DID SOMETHING OCCUR? >> I RECEIVED A CELL PHONE CALL. >> FROM WHOM? >> DETECTIVE SERGEANT FLOOD. >> DID YOU HAVE A CONFUSION? WF YES. >> AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT DID YOU DO, IF ANYTHING? >> HE HAD -- >> AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION. >> I WOULD -- I WALKED BACK TO THE TUBE STATION. >> YOU WALKED BACK THERE? >> I DID I CLIMBED UP TO THE PLATFORM TO TALK TO NEIL. >> AND WHEN YOU GOT TO THE PLATFORM, WAS THE DEFENDANT STILL THERE? >> HE WAS. >> AND DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM? >> YES. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY, AND WHAT DID HE SAY IN RETURN? >> I TOLD NEIL THAT I HAD RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM THE POLICE, THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO PICK HIM UP IN LONDON, AND I SUGGESTED THAT HE COULD ACCOMPANY ME BACK DOWN TO THE PAVEMENT OUTSIDE THE TUBE STATION WHERE THE POLICE HAD REQUESTED THAT I MEET THEM. >> WHEN YOU TOLD HIM THAT, WHAT DID THE DEFENDANT SAY? >> THE DEFENDANT SAID -- NEIL SAID THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO THE POLICE HERE, THAT HE'D RATHER RETURN HOME. AND HE ASKED WHETHER THERE WAS SOME OTHER WAY OF GETTING OFF THE PLATFORM. >> AND WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> I SAID THAT YOU COULD LEAVE THE STATION ON A TRAIN OR DOWN THE STAIRS. >> AND THEN WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? >> I LEFT NEIL ON THE PLATFORM AND I WALKED DOWN TO THE PAVEMENT. >> WHEN YOU GOT OUTSIDE, DID YOU SEE ANYBODY? >> AFTER A FEW MOMENTS, THE POLICE ARRIVED. >> DID YOU SPEAK TO THE POLICE? >> I DID. >> HOW MANY POLICE ARRIVED? >> THREE. >> AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT AFTER YOU SPOKE WITH THE POLICE? >> ONE OF THE THREE REMAINED WITH ME ON THE PAVEMENT, AND THE TWO OTHER OFFICERS WENT UP TO THE STATION PLATFORM. >> AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, DID YOU SEE THOSE TWO POLICE OFFICERS AGAIN? >> THEY CAME BACK DOWNSTAIRS OUT OF THE STATION AND GOT INTO THEIR CAR. >> THEN WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? >> AFTER SOME MOMENTS, THE POLICE OFFICER -- I RETURNED HOME. >> AND DID YOU GO HOME? >> I DID. >> THAT'S NOT VERY GOOD. ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT'S YOUR FRIEND AND HE'S A PROSECUTION WITNESS. NOT GOOD. COMING UP -- THE AUTHOR OF THIS BOOK HEARTLESS, NEIL ENTWISTLE. >>> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO OBSERVE THEIR RELATIONSHIP? >> YES, QUITE FREQUENTLY AT THE UNIVERSITY. >> DESCRIBE THAT IN GENERAL TERMS IF YOU COULD. >> THEY SEEMED LIKE A REALLY LOVING COUPLE, REALLY NICE, REALLY COMFORTABLE IN EACH OTHER'S COMPANY, REALLY FUN TO BE AROUND AS WELL. >> THAT WAS TESTIMONY YESTERDAY FROM A FRIEND OF NEIL ENTWISTLE'S DESCRIBING THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT HE SAW. THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NEIL AND RACHEL, TOOK PLACE WHEN THEY MET, AS THEY SAY AT UNIVERSITY OVER IN GREAT BRITAIN. MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP AND ALL ASPECTS OF NEIL ENTWISTLE'S LIFE AND HIS LIFE WITH RACHEL. WE'RE PLEASED TO HAVE JOINING US, BACK TO VISIT US, OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE, THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "HEARTLESS," THE TRUE STORY OF NEIL ENTWISTLE AND THE COLD-BLOODED MURDER OF HIS WIFE AND CHILD. YOU CAN HEAR MICHELLE ON HER RADIO SHOW. MICHELLE, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE BACK. WE HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU THE OTHER DAY, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH MORE WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON HERE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME TO DO IT. >> GLAD TO BE BACK. >> LET ME START OFF WITH THIS -- WE WERE TALKING BEFORE, WHEN YOU SEE NEIL ENTWISTLE, VERY WELL DRESSED, JURORS PROBABLY KNOW HE'S BEING HELD IN JAIL OR IN PRISON. BUT IT STILL ISN'T ANNA IMAGE TT GOES WITH SOMEONE SHUFFLING IN AND OUT WITH LEG CHAINS FROM A PRISON FACILITY. IN YOUR RESEARCH AND REPORTING, WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT ABOUT HOW HE'S DOING, HOW HE'S EXISTING IN PRISON. >> WELL, HE IS UNDER 24-HOUR SURVEILLANCE BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SUICIDE NOTE, AND JAILERS, THE MIDDLESEX COUNTY SHERIFF, WAS CONCERNED THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE MAY TRY TO COMMIT SUICIDE. HE SAID AS MUCH TO ELLIOT WINE STEIN AND STEPHANIE PAIGE. SO HE IN A SEGREGATED UNIT. HE SPENDS 24 HOURS UNDER SURVEILLANCE. THERE IS A CORRECTION OFFICER WHO SITS IN THE CELL WITH NEIL ENTWISTLE, AND IT'S REALLY THE ONLY CONTACT HE HAS WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD EXCEPT FOR NOW THAT HE BEING SHUTTLED INTO COURT AND BLOWING KISSES TO HIS MOM AND DAD. >> LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT LETTER. YOU SORT OF GOT US ROOG NICELY TO A SEGUE TO THAT, THIS SUICIDE LETTER. LET ME ASK YOU FIRST BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR BOOK -- WHATEVER YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT THAT LETTER. FIRST OF ALL, WAS IT ACTUALLY SENT? DO YOU KNOW? TO HIS ATTORNEYS. >> IT WAS MAILED TO HIS ATTORNEYS, A COPY OF WHICH ONLY AFTER WAS INTERCEPTED BY THE COs IN HIS CELL. ELLIOT WINESTEIN GOT A COPY OF THE LETTER NOT BECAUSE IT WAS STAMPED AS OUTGOING MAIL AS AN INMATE BUT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HIS CLIENT WAS SUICIDAL. AND JAMES DEPALO, THE MIDDLE SEX COUNTY SHERIFF WASN'T TAKING MY CHANCES THAT THIS HIGH-PROFILE PRISONER WOULD COMMIT SUICIDE IN THAT CELL. >> LET'S LOOK AT PORTIONS OF THAT LETTER IF WE CAN. AGAIN, TO HIS ATTORNEYS, ELLIOT AND STEPHANIE -- >> AS PART OF YOUR REPORTING, DID YOU GET ANY INFORMATION OR COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS OF YOUR OWN AS TO HOW GENUINE THAT WAS AS A TRUE SUICIDE NOTE? >> WELL, IT WAS THE SECOND TIME, I THINK MORE APPALLINGLY FOR THE FAMILY, THE GRANDPARENTS, RACHEL'S MOM AND HER STEPFATHER, THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY APPALLED AT THE IDEA NA NEIL ENTWISTLE ONCE AGAIN MADE THIS REQUEST TO HAVE HIS ASHES SPRINKLED OVER THE GRAVE. THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN LEGAL ACTION TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THE IDEA THAT WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS GOING TO KILL HIMSELF, THERE WAS NO CHANCE HE WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO PULL THIS OFF IN THE JAIL CELL THAT HE'S IN RIGHT NOW. IT'S VERY WELL MAINTAINED. AS I SAID, THERE'S A CORRECTION OAF BY HIS SIDE 24 HOURS A DAY. I THINK HE'S JUST SICK AND TIRE OF BALONEY SANDWICHES, OF BEING ALONE, OF WAERG THE MIDDLESEX COUNTY ORANGE JUMPSUIT. SICK AND TIRED OF GETTING THE EVIL EYE FROM FELLOW INMATES IN SEGREGATION. AS YOU KNOW, I OPEN MY BOOK WITH A SCENE WHERE HE WAS KICKED BRUTALLY IN THE STOMACH BY ANOTHER INMATE. SO CERTAINLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF LOVE FOR NEIL ENTWISTLE IN THIS PRISON. >> AS YOU KNOW, IN AIZ PRI HIERARCHY, SOMEONE ACCUSED OF KILLING A CHILD IS CERTAINLY NOT VERY HIGH UP THERE. YOU MENTION RACHEL'S FAMILY. WERE THEY ORIGINALLY RESISTANT TO THE NOTION THAT NEIL COULD HAVE BEEN THE KILLER OF RACHEL AND HIS DAUGHTER? >> WELL, MY REPORTING BEARS OUT THE FACT THAT RIGHT AWAY THEY THOUGHT SOMETHING WAS ODD. YOU KNOW, I HEARD YOU ON THE PROGRAM TALK LAIL BIT ABOUT THAT. THE BEHAVIOR OF NEIL ENTWISTLE IS NOT SOMEONE GRIEVING. BELIEVE ME, I SADLY INTERVIEWED COUNTLESS FAMILY OF MURDER VICTIMS. THEY DON'T GET ON THE PLANE AND GO TO MOVIES WITH A PAL. ACCORDING TO NEIL'S VERSION OF EVENTS, HE FINDS HIS FAMILY DEAD -- FIRST HE COMES HOME FROM STAPLES ON A COLD NEW ENGLAND AFTERNOON, AND HIS WIFE AND INFANT DAUGHTER ARE NOT WHERE TO BE FOUND. WHAT DOES HE DO? HE DOESN'T GO LOOKING FOR THEM. HE HAS THE SEOOLE VEHICLE IN TH FAMILY. THEN HE MESSES AROUND. HOURS LATER, HE SAYS, I FOUND THEM SHOT DEAD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, INVESTIGATORS AND FORENSIC SPECIALISTS ARE SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO HAVE MADE THE DETERMINATION. HE COVERS THE BODIES. HE DOESN'T RUN OUT INTO THE STREET SCREAMING FOR HELP. HE DOESN'T DIAL 911. HE VERY CALMLY AND METHODICALLY, WE'VE SEEN PICTURES, VISITS ATM MACHINES, GOES TO THE BANK, WRANGLES TO GET MONEY AND JUMPS ON THE FIRST FLIGHT TO ENGLAND, ONE-WAY TICKET, HOOKS UP WITH HIS PALS, HAS DINNER, LAUGHS, CHECKS OUT THE LATEST JIM CARREY MOVIE. THIS HAD CERTAINLY SPT SOMEONE MOURNING THE LOSS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIS BUDDIES. I WANT TO SHOW BENJAMIN PRIOR WHERE HE DESCRIBING WHAT NEIL ENTWISTLE DID AFTER HE DISCOVERED THE BODIES. WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS FOR A SECOND. >> SORT OF THOUGHT WAS TO TELL SOMEBODY WHAT HAD HAPPENED SO HE SORT OF SAT OUT TO FIND HIS STEPPARENTS, WHO I BELIEVE WERE AT WORK AT THE TIME, AND MANAGED TO FIND THEM AND INFORM THEM OF WHAT HAPPENED. >> DID HE SAY WHO HE FOUND? >> I BELIEVE HE FOUND HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW FIRST. SORT OF EXPLAINED TO THEM THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT HAPPENED. >> SO, MICHELLE, WE'VE HEARD SOME PORTIONS OF TESTIMONY BY THE PROSECUTION CASE ABOUT DIFFERENT STORIES THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE TOLD, BUT TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU FOUND IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HE SAID TO HIS FRIENDS HERE. >> WELL, THERE WERE SO MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED. HE TOLD ONE TALE TO HIS FRIEND YOU HEARD THAT HE WENT TO THE HOUSE AND THE FAMILY IGNORED HIM AND HE FELT OUT OF PLACE SO THAT'S WHY HE LEFT FOR ENGLAND WHEN, IN FACT, WE KNOW BASED ON THE EVIDENCE HE NEVER SHOWED UP AT THE HOME OF THE MATTERAZZOS OR AT LEAST TO THE FACT THAT HE ACTUALLY HAD AN ENCOUNTER WITH THE MATTERAZZOS. PROSECUTORS ARGUE, OF COURSE, THAT HE TOOK THE GUN FROM JOE MAUZ RAUZ ZOE OES COLLECTION AND RETURNED IT BEFORE FLEEING TO ENGLAND. NEIL'S ASSERTION IS, I MET WITH THE FAMILY. I FELT LEFT OUT. I HAD HAD TO GET OUT OF THERE. IN A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE POLICE TROOPER, A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR, A SEASONED HOMICIDE INVESTIGATOR BEING HE TOLD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VERSION OF EVENT WHERE HE DIDN'T HAVE A SET OF KEYS TO THE MATTERAZZO HOME IN MASSACHUSETTS. WE KNOW THERE WAS KEYS IN THE CAR AT THE AIRPORT WHEN HE FLED THE COUNTRY. >> YOU CAN BE CERTAIN THE PROSECUTION WILL BE FOCUSSING ON THAT. YOU CAN BE EQUALLY CERTAIN THAT THE DEFENSE -- AGAIN, WE'RE JUST IN THE PROSECUTION'S CASE NOW. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE DEFENSE CASE. WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT POSITION WITNESSES ARE GOING TO ATAKE, BUT THEY'LL ADDRESS THAT IN SOME FASHION. WAINT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ANOTHER PART OF THE PROSECUTION CASE. CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, A SEASONED REPORTER, MOTIVE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PROVEN IN A CASE. BOY, IF YOU'RE PROSECUTOR IN A MURDER CASE, YOU'D LIKE TO POINT TO SOMETHING THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION WHY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE SEEING WOVEN INTO THIS IS NEIL ENTWISTLE AND THE COMPUTER AND EITHER PORNOGRAPHY OR ESCORT SEARCHES. AGAIN, TELL US YOUR REPORTING. WHAT IS IT YOU FOUND WITH REGARD TO THAT? >> WELL, MY REPORTING BEARS OUT THE IDEA, THE THEORY AT LEAST, THAT THIS GUY IS A SEX ADDICT. YOU HAVE HEARD MOTIVES MANY TIMES OF DRUG ADDICTION OR ALCOHOLISM. THEY WERE IN A TEMPORARY INSANITY. I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF SEX ADDICTION SOMEHOW RAISES ITS HEAD IN THIS TRIAL FROM THE DEFENSE. BECAUSE HERE'S A GUY ACCORDING TO TESTIMONY THIS WEEK WHO LOGGED ONTO AN ADULT FRIEND FINDER WEBSITE AFTER HE FOUND HIS FAMILY DEAD. CERTAINLY SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT SEEMS VERY SICK AND TWISTED THAT YOUR FIRST RESPONSE IS NOT TO CALL 911, NOT TO ASK FOR HELP, BUT TO LOGON TO A -- TO LOOK FOR A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER ON THE NET. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SAW OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS FAR BACK AS NEIL'S ELICIT BUSINESS DEALINGS ON INTERNET. PART OF IT WAS SWING SEX SITES. HE HAD THIS PENIS ENLARGEMENT SEX SITE. SO SEX AND THE INTERNET AND PORNOGRAPHY WERE A BIG PART OF NEIL ENTWISTLE'S LIFE FOR AS LONG AS THEY LIVED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AT LEAST, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE INVESTIGATORS DUG UP ON HIM. >> MICHELLE, LET ME ASK YOU ONE LAST QUESTION HERE BEFORE WE HAVE TO LET YOU GO. IT SORT OF GOES BACK TO SOMETHING I ASKED YOU EARLY ON ABOUT THE MATTERAZZOS, THE FAMILY OF RACHEL, BEING RESISTANT TO THE NOTION. WAS THERE A TIME, WAS THERE A MOMENT OR SOME BIT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU DETERMINED THAT GOT THEM TO THE POINT WHERE THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, GOD, UNFORTUNATELY, WE NOW BELIEVE THAT OUR SON-IN-LAW IS THE MAN RESPONSIBILITY FOR KILLING OUR DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER? >> I THINK IN INTERVIEWS I'VE CONDUCTED WITH PEOPLE CLOSE TO THEM, NEIL ENTWISTLE NEVER EVEN REACHED OUT AND SAID, I'M SORRY. HE NEVER CALLED THEM UNTIL HE ARRIVED IN ENGLAND AND HE CALLED JOE MATTERAZZO. YOU HEARD JOE MATTERAZZO TESTIFY THAT NEIL SAID OF THE BURIALS OF HIS WIFE AND BABY, I WANT THEM TO BE BURIED TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I LEFT THEM. NO. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I FOUND THEM. I THINK IT WAS A VERY DAMNING LINE, FOR THE MATTERAZZOS, WHO HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THEY FEEL VERY BETRAYED WHO THEY WELCOMED INTO THEIR HOME, TREATED HIM AS A SON. JOE TOOK HIM SHOOTING WITH HIS OWN SONS TO MAKE HIM FEEL PART OF THE FAMILY, AND THE INTERVIEWS I'VE CONDUCTED SUGGEST THAT THEY FEEL NOTHING BUT BETRAY YAL AND AN ENORMOUS SENSE OF LOSS AND JUST FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYED BY THIS VERY DECEITFUL NARCISSIST WHO CLEARLY HAS A SEX ADDICTION PROBLEM. >> AGAIN, ALL OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE THE PROSECUTION IS GOING TO MAKE HAD THEY GET TO THEIR CLOSING ARGUMENTS. MICHELLE, IT'S A PLEASURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US. YOU BRING A GREAT PERSPECTIVE IN YOUR REPORTING HERE. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. HOPEFULLY WE CAN TALK WITH YOU MORE THROUGHOUT THE CASE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. >> AGAIN, MICHELLE McFEE THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "HEARTLESS." WE'RE GOING TO FIT IN ANOTHER QUICK BREAK. WE'LL COME BACK AND SHOW YOU MORE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF THAT COURTROOM. DON'T GO AWAY. >>> WELCOME BACK. YOU'RE NOT MISSING ANY TESTIMONY TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S A BREAK IN THAT COURTROOM IN MASSACHUSETTS. THIS IS A GREAT CHANCE FOR US TO GIVE YOU SOME TESTIMONY YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T SEE BECAUSE IT AIRED AFTER WE WENT OFF OF THE AIR. SO, AS A GREAT SERVICE TO YOU, HERE IT IS, DASHIEL MUNTING. A FRIEND OF NEIL ENTWISTLE WAS ON THE STAND FOR QUITE A WHILE. ACTUALLY, TWO FRIENDS TOOK THE STAND. WHAT NEIL TOLD THEM DOESN'T STACK UP AGAINST, I DON'T KNOW, THE EVIDENCE IN THE CASE OR HIS STATEMENTS TO OTHER PEOPLE. IN ANY CASE, THEY'RE VERY DAMNING. THESE FRIENDS GOT ON THE STAND AND TOLD THIS PROSECUTOR EXACTLY WHAT NEIL TOLD THEM AND WHAT THEY WITNESSED NEIL DO THAT WHOLE TIME HE WAS IN ENGLAND AFTER ALLEGEDLY DISCOVERING HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER DEAD. HAVE A LISTEN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MUNDING.. THIS WAS WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK WHEN YOU LAST SAW NEIL? >> I LAST SAW NEIL ON THURSDAY. >> AND AT WHAT TIME DID YOU LAST SEE HIM? >> I CAN'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERHAPS 9:00. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> MORNING? >> IN THE MORNING. >> AND EARLIER THAT SAME DAY, YOU HAD WERE RELATING TO US ALL ABOUT A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION THAT NEIL HAD WITH HIS FATHER-YES, SIR. >> AND THAT CALL CAME INTO YOUR APARTMENT ON ONE OF THE PHONES THAT WAS THERE OR ELSEWHERE? >> NO. IT CAME UP TO MY -- SORRY. THE PHONE CALL BETWEEN NEIL AND HIS FATHER? >> YES. >> WAS ON NEIL'S MOBILE TELEPHONE, I BELIEVE. >> NEIL WAS IN YOUR PLACE WHEN THAT CALL CAME IN? >> HE WAS. >> AND HE RELATE TO YOU AS YOU'VE RELATED TO US WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT. >> YES, SIR. >> AND IN SUBSTANCE IT WAS THAT NEIL'S FATHER HAD CALLED SAYING THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, POLICE BACK IN WAR SAW, WERE ASKING KNEEL TO COME BACK HOME. >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> AND BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT ARRESTING NEIL, YES? >> YES. >> BUT THE ARREST WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE BACK WHERE NEIL'S FAMILY WAS? >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> THAT WAS THE REQUEST THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD WAS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS CONVERSATION ON THE PHONE BETWEEN NEIL AND HIS DAD? >> YES. >> AND WHEN YOU LEFT -- WHEN I SAY YOU, YOU AND NEIL -- YOUR PLACE IN THE MORNING, THE PURPOSE WAS FOR NEIL TO GET BACK UP TO WORKSAW? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO HE COULD SEE HIS FAMILY? >> YES. >> AND SO THAT THE ARREST THAT WAS VERY CLEAR TO NEIL, TO YOU, WOULD TAKE PLACE AFTER NEIL HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY ONE MORE TIME? >> THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. >> AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN? >> NO, SIR. >> AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU GOT A CALL AFTER THIS BETWEEN NEIL AND HIS DAD IN WHICH YOU SAID THE FLOOD -- >> HE'S A MEMBER OF THE METROPOLITAN POLICE. >> METROPOLITAN IN LONDON. >> IN LONDON. >> SO MR. FLOOD CALLED YOU AND SAID, GET AHOLD OF NEIL. WE WANT TO ARREST HIM HERE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT NEIL WANTED TO GO BACK HOME FIRST. >> YES. >> AND SO YOU LEFT NEIL AT THE TUBE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YOU COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT SO YOU JUST LEFT HIM THERE. IT WAS HIS CHOICE OF WHAT TO DO. >> IT WAS. I IN NO WAY WASN'T GO COERCE HIM INTO DOING SOMETHING. >> YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET INTO SOMETHING BETWEEN THE POLICE AND NEIL? >> EXACTLY. >> OR BETWEEN POLICE DEPARTMENTS. >> NO. >> WERE YOU? >> NO. >> AND EVERYTHING THAT NEIL COMMUNICATED TO YOU THAT MORNING WAS THAT HE KNEW THE POLICE WERE COMING TO ARREST HIM OR BRING HIM BACK TO THE UNITED STATES? >> YES. >> AND THAT HE WANTED TO GO HOME FIRST. >> YES. >> NEIL WAS A QUIET GUY? >> HE WAS. >> THAT WAS HIS BASIC DEMEANOR, A QUIET GUY? >> YES. >> HE HAD HAD A GIRLFRIEND THAT WAS MUCH MORE OUTGOING? >> YES. >> AND AS A COUPLE SHE WAS THE MORE GREGARIOUS OR OUTGOING OF THE TWO? >> SHE WAS THE MORE VIVACIOUS. >> I WAS GOING TO USE THAT WORD. >> AN HE WAS ALWAYS QUIET. >> HE WAS -- HE WAS A QUIET GUY, BUT HE WASN'T SHY OF SOCIALIZING OR -- >> BUT EVEN IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, HIS GENERAL DEMEANOR WAS QUIET? >> YEAH. HE WAS MORE RESERVED THAN RACHEL, CERTAINLY. >> RESERVED. AND THAT DIDN'T CHANGE ALL THE YEARS THAT YOU KNEW HIM? >> NO. >> IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN YOU SAW HIM IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET. >> OF COURSE. >> WANT TO JUST TOUCH BASE WITH BETH KARAS WHO'S BEEN REPORTING ON THIS STORY FROM THE BEGINNING. SHE'S AT THE COURTHOUSE WHERE DO WE GO FROM TODAY'S TESTIMONY? HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE EXPECTING FROM THE PROSECUTION BEFORE WE FINALLY GET TO HEAR FROM THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND HIS CASE? NOT TO SAY HE HASN'T DONE GREAT CROSS-EXAMINATION, BUT WHEN DOES THIS WRAP UP FOR THE PROSECUTION? >> Reporter: WELL, I THINK THAT THE PROSECUTION WILL REST ITS CASE IN CHIEF BY THE END OF THE WEEK. THE MEDICAL EXAMINER WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING, PREPARED TO TESTIFY, IF NECESSARY, TODAY. OBVIOUSLY COMPUTER EXPERT HAS TAKEN MUCH LONGER THAN ANTICIPATED. THERE'S THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND TROOPER MANNING WHO TOOK THAT TWO-HOUR AUDIOTAPED STATEMENT FROM ENTWISTLE ON JANUARY 23rd. I DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT. WHETHER THERE ARE ANY OTHER WITNESSES I DON'T KNOW. THERE COULD BE A FEW MORE POLICE WITNESSES, MAYBE AN OFFICER IN LONDON WHO TOOK HIM INTO CUSTODY. >> THERE'S SOME GOOD STUFF IN THAT AFFIDAVIT, THE ONE THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH ALL OF THE MATERIAL THAT I LOOKED AT BEFORE THIS CASE BEGAN. SO I'M ASSUMING WE'LL HEAR A LOT FROM TROOPER MANNING. BETH, STAND BY FOR A MOMENT IF YOU WILL. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK F. LEE BAILEY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT A CASE WE'RE COVERING NOW. IN FACT, IN TWO DAYS WE'LL BE DEALING WITH A STATUS HERING ON O.J. SIMPSON, YOUR OLD CLIENT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CONTACT YOU HAVE HAD WITH MR. SIMPSON, LEE, BUT CAN YOU -- HOW MUCH CONTACT HAVE YOU HAD WITH YOUR FORMER CLIENT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS? >> I TALK TO HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. >> YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU TALK ABOUT? >> SURE. WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN HIS LIFE AND RECENTLY IN RATHER ABBREVIATED TERMS A MATTER IN LAS VEGAS. >> SO LET ME START WITH VEGAS. THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT NOW, MR. BAILEY, THAT DOESN'T LOOK TOO GOOD FOR MR. SIMPSON. THERE'S SOME RECORDINGS, APPARENTLY, WHERE O.J. ACTUALLY UTTERS THE WORDS, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, "DID YOU HIDE THE PIECE" OR "DID YOU HIDE IT"? WHICH WOULD CO-NOTE THAT HE KNEW FULL WELL HE KNEW THERE WAS WEAPONS. THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS HE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE WEAPONS. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT? >> FIRST OF ALL, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT. SECOND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTEXT WAS. I WOULD BE SURPRISED TO HEAR O.J. USE THE WORD "PIECE". >> HE CERTAINLY USES A LOT OF LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE NEVER HEARD HIM USE BEFORE. HE'S NOT AS ELOQUENT, SHALL I SAY, AS HE APPEARS ON TELEVISION NORMALLY. HE USES A LOT OF PROFANITY AND A LOT OF SORT OF SLANG. WHY WOULD IT SURPRISE YOU? >> WELL, I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE O.J. DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS BEING PERPETUATED. INDEED, YOU AND I PERHAPS OFF CAMERA USE A DIFFERENT DIALECT THAN WE DO WHEN WE'RE FACING A TV AUDIENCE. BUT WHEN I SAY HE DIDN'T USE THE WORD "PIECE" AT ANY TIME WHEN I KNEW HIM, HE SIMPLY WASN'T INTO THAT KIND OF JARGON, WHICH I MIGHT EXPECT OUT OF A MAFIA CLIENT BUT NOT OUT OF O.J. SIMPSON. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, MY FRIEND -- DID HE EVER USE SOME OF THE EXPLETIVES I CAN'T EVEN -- THIS IS A HARD QUESTION TO ASK, LEE, BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY THE WORDS ON TV. BUT HE'S USED SOME VERY UGLY LANGUAGE. DID HE USE UGLY LANGUAGE WITH YOU? HAVE YOU KNOWN HIM TO USE UGLY LANGUAGE? I ONLY HAVE TEN SECONDS. >> HE USED TO UPGRADE HIS DEFENSE LAWYERS IN VERY PLAIN ENGLISH THAT WE ALL UNDERSTOOD. >> I LIKE HOW YOU USE THE WORD UPBRAID. F. LEE BAILEY, A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU AND HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT O.J. I HAVE A MILLION MORE. HOPE YOU TO SEE YOU AGAIN SOON. ALSO, BETH KARAS, GREAT WORK, AS ALWAYS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONTINUED REPORTING ON THIS. FOR NOW, WE ARE OUT OF TIME. >> THAT DOES IT FOR US. WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. HOPE TO SEE YOU THEN. >> THANKS FOR WATCHING, EVERYBODY. |