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>>> BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF THE VARIETY OF TIMES THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL TOGETHER, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THEIR RELATIONSHIP, TO AND INCLUDING THEIR MARRIAGE IN AUGUST OF 2003? >> THEY SEEMED TO GET ALONG VERY WELL. THEY SEEMED TO HAVE A FRIENDSHIP AS WELL AS SEEMED TO LOVE AND RESPECT EACH OTHER. >> A MARRIAGE ENDS IN MURDER A WIFE IS SHOT TO DEATH AND A HUSBAND STANDS TRIAL FOR THE CRIME. THAT'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW ON OPEN COURT. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO OPEN COURT, I AM LISA BLOOM. NEIL ENTWISTLE IS ACCUSED OF KILLING HIS WIFE AND BABY. THEY WERE SHOT TO DEATH IN THEIR HOME IN JANUARY OF 2006. ENTWISTLE WAS ARRESTED AFTER FLEEING TO ENGLAND, BUT HE SAYS HE WAS THE ONE WHO FOUND HIS FAMILY DEAD. TESTIMONY IN THE CASE BEGAN ON FRIDAY. CORRESPONDENT BETH KARAS JOINS US NOW FROM WILBURN, MASSACHUSETTS WITH THE LATEST ON THE TRIAL SO FAR. GOOD MORNING, BETH. >> Reporter: THE VERY FIRST WITNESS OF THE FIVE TO TAKE THE STAND ON DAY ONE IS PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO, THE MOTHER-IN-LAW OF NEIL ENTWISTLE. SHE DESCRIBED BEING AT THE HOPKINTON POLICE STATION WHAT SHE GOT THE NEWS THAT HER DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER HAD BEEN MURDERED. >> DID YOU MEET WITH THE CHIEF OF THE HOPKINTON POLICE? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU LEARN SOME INFORMATION CONCERNING RACHEL AND LILLIAN END LISTAL? -- ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> AND WERE YOU WITH YOUR HUSBAND AT THAT POINT IN TIME? >> YES. >> AND WHEN YOU LEARNED THAT INFORMATION, WHAT WAS YOUR DEMEANOR? YOUR DEMEANOR. >> I WAS SHOCKED AND UPSET. >> AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR HUSBAND JOE? >> HE WAS SHOCKED AND UPSET. >> NOW PRISCILLA MAT RAZZ ZA WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT IT WAS SHE WAS TOLD. THAT WILL COME OUT THROUGH A POLICE OFFICER, BUT WE KNOW THAT SHE WAS TOLD THAT THEY HAD BUN TOLD THEY WERE DEAD IN THE HOUSE. SHE HAS KIND OF A FLAT AFFECT. THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH A TRAUMATIC EVENT AND IN FACT IT IS SO COMMON WHEN RAPE VICTIMS TAKE THE STAND FOR EXAMPLE THAT DISTRICT ATTORNEYS AND I HAVE DONE IT AS WELL WHEN I WAS PROSECUTING WILL PUT ON A SCHOOL YIS TO DESCRIBE THE DESCRIBE THE FLAT AFFECT OF THE VICTIM AND WHY THEY WITHDRAW, THEY REMOVE THEMSELVES EMOTIONALLY FROM THE SITUATION TO GET THROUGH THE TESTIMONY AND THIS MAY VERY WELL BE WHAT HAPPENED WITH PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO. SHE JUST FELL WHEN SHE GOT THE NEWS. SHE COLLAPSED. THAT'S NOT CONVEYED IN HER THE M. >> HOW OFTEN TIMES WE'RE SO CRITICAL IN HOW THEY TESTIFY. WITNESSES ARE SUPPOSED TO TESTIFY IN A VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD, CALM WAY, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND I'M SURE SHE WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW THOSE INSTRUCTIONS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN CRITICIZE A MOTHER OF A MURDER VICTIM FOR NOT BEING EMOTIONAL ON THE STAND. GIVE US THE HIGH POINTS FROM FRIDAY. >> MIGHT BE FABBRI HAS BEEN HANDLING THIS CASE FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. HE GAVE THE OPENING STATEMENT AND GAVE A VERY THOROUGH DETAILS THAT ARE ALREADY A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD THAT WE HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THE INDICTMENTS, THROUGH THE VARIOUS SEARCH WARRANTS THROUGH THE PROSECUTION'S STATEMENT OF THE CASE WHICH WAS RELEASED EARLY ON AND GETS RELELEASED PERIODICALLY. HE WENT THROUGH A CHRONOLOGY. THAT'S WHY I WAS NOT SURPRISED THAT HE STARTED WITH PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO BECAUSE SHE WAS THE LAST ONE OUTOF NEIL ENTWISTLE SPOKE WITH RACHEL ENTWISTLE. AND HE DETAILED FOR THE JURY PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO'S EFFORTS TO CONTACT HER DAUGHTER AND HER FRIEND, JOANNA MAUREEN GATELY WHO WAS SCHEDULED TO HAVE DIFFERENT WITH HER THAT NIGHT. AND THEN FINDING THE BODIES AND THEN TRACKING THE WHEREABOUTS OF NEIL ENTWISTLE WHO WAS MISSING AFTER FINDING HIS FAMILY IN THE THE MASTER BEDROOM. STATEMENTS THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE MADE TO PEOPLE LIKE HIS FATHER, HIS FATHER-IN-LAW, THE POLICE, FRIENDS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT NOT ONLY WITH EACH OTHER, BUT WITH THE EVIDENCE FOUND AT THE HOUSE AND WHY THAT ULTIMATELY LED -- THE EVIDENCE LED INTO ONE DIRECTION ONLY AND THAT WAS TO NEIL ENTWISTLE. THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY ELLIOT WINESTEIN DIDN'T GIVE THAT KIND OF AN OPENING, DIDN'T HAVE TO, NOT SURPRISING, HE SPOKE MUCH MORE BRIEFLY AND HE JUST TOLD THE JURORS THAT EVERYTHING ISN'T WHAT IT SEEMS TO BE. HE MAY VERY WELL HAVE A THEORY, A DIRECTION THAT HE'S GOING, BUT HE DID NOT TELL THE JURY WHAT DIRECTION THAT IS? >> AND I HAVE TWO GUESTS, GILL ALBA, A FORMER NYPD POLICE OFFICER AND LINDH A KINNEY BAUDEN IS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY AND YOU OF COURSE REMEMBER HIM FROM THE PHIL SPECKER TRIAL. SHE CO-AUTHORED THE BOOK CALLED REMAINS SILENT. YOU KNOW I'M YOUR BIG E FAN, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU. >> NICE TO SEE YOU. >> NICE TO SEE YOU AS WELL, I LIKE THE NEW AIR DO IF I MAY SAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE DEFENSE'S OPENING STATEMENT, ELLIOT WINESTEIN SAID THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY SEEM. HE GAVE SOME HINTS THAT HE'S GOING TO BE GOING AFTER THE POLICE INVESTIGATION, BETTER TO GIVE A THEORY OF THE CASE IN OPENING STATEMENTS AS YOU DID IN THE PHIL SPECTER CASE, THIS IS A SUICIDE, IT'S NOT A HOMICIDE. OR BETTER TO LEAVE YOURSELF OPEN AND ARGUE REASONABLE DOUBT AT THE END? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE CASE. IF YOU HAVE A COHERENT THEORY YOU CAN GIVE US IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE FACTS, YOU MAY SAY THAT THE PROSECUTION MAY NOT BE TELLING THE COMPLETE TRUTH. YOU DON'T COMMIT YOURSELF. THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GO. IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CASE. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A DIFFICULT CASE. THEY'LL TRY TO SEE WHERE THE EVIDENCE LEADS. >> ONE CRITICISM THE POLICE HAVE ALREADY FACED IN THIS CASE IS THEY WENT IN AND THEY SEARCHED THE HOMES AND THEY DID NOT FIND THE BODIES, THE BODIES WERE COVERED UP BY BLANKETS AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THEY RETURNED AND THEY DETECTED THAT HORRIFIC ODOR OF DECOMPOSING CORPSES THAT THEY WENT UPSTAIRS AND PULLED THE BLANKETS BACK. >> MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUND THE BODIES, THINK ABOUT IT FOR A SECOND, SOMEBODY'S MISSING FROM THE HOUSE, THEY GO IN THE HOUSE, THEY CHECK ALL OVER, THE RADIO'S ON, THE TV'S ON, THE LIGHTS ARE ON. THEY GO INTO EVERY ROOM. HE'S FIVE FEET TALL, HE PUTS THE BLANKET OVER HER. SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK IN THE BED, THEY SEE THE BED IS NOT MADE AND THEY CHOCK OVER THE -- CHECK OVER THE ENTIRE HOUSE. THEY'RE EXPECTING TO FIND BODIES. >> THE MOTHER AND THE BABY ARE MISSING. DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S FOUL PLAY GOING ON AND THAT'S THE KIND OF MISSING PERSONS REPORT YOU GET? >> THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE A MORE THOROUGH SEARCH. >> SHOULDN'T THEY PULL BACK THE BLANKETS ON THE BED? >> THEY SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY AT THE TIME. BUT LOOKING AROUND AND DOING THAT, IN HINDSIGHT, OF COURSE, I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. >> RIGHT. AND, LOOK, TO BE FAIR, FAMILY MEMBERS ALSO WENT INTO THE HOUSE AND THEY DIDN'T PULL BACK THOSE BLANKETS EITHER, THEY DIDN'T FIND THE BODY EITHER UNTIL THAT ODOR WAS DETECTED. IS THAT GOING TO BE A VALID CRITICISM OF THE POLICE THAT THEY DIDN'T FIND THE BODY DURING THE FIRST SEARCH ". >> WE HAVE SEEN THAT ON A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE THE POLICE ARE CALLED FOR WHAT'S CALLED A WELLNESS SEARCH AND THEY DON'T DO THE WELLNESS SEARCH VERY WELL BECAUSE THEY REALLY AREN'T THINKING THERE WAS A HOMICIDE. AND IN THIS SITUATION THERE WAS NO REASON TO SUSPECT THERE WAS A HOMICIDE. BY THE SAME TOKEN, WHAT DOES THAT DO THE FACTS? >> A MISSING MOTHER AND A BABY? >> YOU AND I LIVE IN CRIME. >> DON'T POLICE LIVE IN CRIME? >> THEY ALSO LIVE IN MISSING PERSONS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND SOMEBODY COULD RUN AWAY. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT WHETHER THERE'S REASONABLE DOUBT IN THIS CASE. SO THAT'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. >> AND TO BE FAIR THE MISSING PERSONS THAT RETURN AND ARE FINE AND ARE GREAT, WE DON'T SEE THEM HERE ON IN SESSION. LET ME GO BACK TO THE MOTHER'S TESTIMONY, PRISCILLA MAT RAZZ ZERO SHE WENT THROUGH THEIR COURT SHIP AND THE EARLY DAYS OF OF THEIR MARRIAGE, WHAT DID WE LEARN ABOUT THAT? >> WE LEARNED THAT RACHEL ENTWISTLE, HER NAME WAS RACHEL SOUZA BEFORE SHE MARRIED WAS AT HOLY CROSS. AND SHE DID HER JUNIOR YEAR ABROAD AT YORK UNIVERSITY. THAT'S WHERE SHE MET NEIL ENTWISTLE. THEY COURTED. SHE CAME BACK TO HOLY CROSS, GRADUATED, CONTINUED TO DATE HIM FROM AFAR AND THEN WENT BACK TO ENGLAND AFTER SHE GRADUATED FROM HOLY CROSS AND RECEIVED A TEACHING CERTIFICATE THERE AND SHE TAUGHT ENGLISH LITERATURE AND DRAMA. LIVED WITH NEIL ENTWISTLE. HE GRADUATED FROM YORK. HE WAS A COMPUTER ENGINEER, HE WORKED FOR A BRITISH DEFENSE CONTRACTOR. IT WAS A PRIVATE COMPANY THAT HAD DEFENSE CONTRACTS. QUINETIC, BUT ACCORDING TO THE FAMILY, HE WANTED TO COME TO THE U.S. HE HAD SORT OF A ENGLISH ACCENT THAT WAS SORT OF A WORKING CLASS ACCENT, AND HE THOUGHT HE WOULD NEVER GET AHEAD IN ENGLAND AND HE WANTED TO COME TO THE U.S. AND TRY HIS LUCK HERE. LILLIAN ROSE WAS BORN IN 2005 ON 04/09/08 THEY MOVED BACK HER IN THE FALL. SHE CAME A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE HER HUSBAND, SHE AND THE BABY. LIVED WITH THE MATTERAZZOS THROUGH THE FALL AND THEN THEY FOUND THEIR OWN HOUSE AND MOVED IN IN EARLY JANUARY 2006. IT WAS A THREE-MONTH LEASE. I BELIEVE THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY WOULD PURCHASE IT IN HOPKINTON. THEY HAD ONLY BEEN IN THE HOUSE AT 10 DAYS OR SO WHEN THE MURDERS OCCURRED. >> ALL RIGHT, AND WE EXPECT A LOT OF TESTIMONY TO GET UNDERWAY, ANY MINUTE NOW WE'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT INTO THE COURTROOM FOR DAY TWO OF THIS TRIAL JUST AS SOON AS IT DOES. POLICE SAY THEY HAVE EVIDENCE THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A SEXUAL LIAISON IN THE FEW DAYS BEFORE THE MOVE INTO THE NEW HOME, POLICE FOUND ADS FOREST ESCORT SERVICES. IN SEARCH OF A, QUOTE, FUN RELATIONSHIP. SO TODAY'S QUESTION OF THE DAY IS, SHOULD THE JURY HEAR ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ALLEGED SEXUAL ESCAPADES? YOU CAN SEND US YOUR ANSWERS, JUST LOG ON TO CNN/CRIME. WRITE A BRIEF ANSWER AND WE'LL READ ONE OF YOUR RESPONSES AT THE END OF THE SHOW. MAYBE IT WILL BE YOURS. >>> THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE OF RACHEL BEING CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT BILLS IS THAT ONE TIME WHEN YOU CAME IN AND RACHEL'S DOING THE BILLS AND NEIL'S DOING THE COOKING, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND RACHEL THOUGHT AS YOU HAVE TOLD US THAT SHE WAS GOOD AT FINANCES, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND BETTER AT IT THAN NEIL, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? IT WAS A JOKE? >> IT WAS A JOKE THAT DAY, YES. >> WHY WOULD NEIL ENTWISTLE MURDER HIS YOUNG WIFE AND 9-MONTH-OLD BABY GIRL? THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS HAS ASSERTED A COUPLE OF THEORIES, THAT SHE CONTROLLED THE MONEY, THAT SHE WAS LIVING A LIE THAT HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY MAKING A LOT OF MONEY OFF INTERNET BUSINESSES AND IN FACT HE WAS LIVING OFF OF CREDIT, RUNNING UP THE BILLS AND PERHAPS RACHEL HEARD ABOUT IT, KNEW ABOUT IT, IT WAS REVEALED THEY HAD A FIGHT, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. AS WE'RE WAITING FOR THE TRIAL TO BEGIN LIVE THIS MORNING WHICH SHOULD BE ANY MINUTE NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE NOT YET SEEN, IT CAME AFTER OUR BROADCAST DAY WAS DONE ON FRIDAY. THIS IS THE TESTIMONY OF PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO, SHE TESTIFIED HERE ON REDIRECT. LET'S TAKE A LOOK HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> IN TERMS OF THE OFFICE, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD THE DEFENDANT SPEND UP IN THE OFFICE, THE GARAGE OFFICE IN RELATION TO THE TIME THAT RACHEL WOULD SPEND UP THERE? >> QUELL, IF HE -- HE WOULD SPEND, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN HOURS, RACHEL, NOT EVEN AN HOUR. >> AND IF YOU KNOW, WHEN RACHEL WAS UP THERE IN THE OFFICE, WOULD SHE USE YOUR COMPUTER OR WOULD SHE USE THE DEFENDANT'S COMPUTER? >> IT WOULD -- IT WAS MY COMPUTER. DID U EVER SEE HER USE THE DEFENDANT'S LAP TOP? >> WOULD YOU PLEASE REPHRASE THE QUESTION? >> I THINK YOU SAID THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD A LAP TOP THAT HE WOULD USE AT YOUR HOME FROM TIME TO TIME? >> YES. >> AND THAT PARTICULAR LAP TOP, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE RACHEL USE THAT LAP TOP? NO. >> THE FURNITURE THAT COUNSEL DISCUSSED THAT RACHEL AND THE DEFENDANT HAD PURCHASED, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY PAID CASH OR GOT THAT ON CREDIT? >> ON CREDIT. >> AND LASTLY, MA'AM, IN TERMS OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT COUNSEL HAD DISCUSSED, IN DEALING WITH LILY, SPENDING TIME CHANGING AND THE LIKE, WOULD RACHEL DO THOSE THINGS TOO? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND THAT WAS PRISCILLA MATTERAZZO ON THE STAND ON FRIDAY. THE ENTWISTLE MURDER CASE HAS SPAWNED TWO CONTINENTS AND MORE THAN TWO YEARS. NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIMELINE TO SEE WHAT LED UP TO THIS TRIAL. IN 1999, RACHEL SOUZA SPENDS HER JUNIOR YEAR ABROAD AT THE UNIVERSITY OF YORK. THAT'S WHERE SHE MEETS FELLOW STUDENT NEIL ENTWISTLE AND THEY STARTED DATING. ON AUGUST 10, 2003, NEIL AND RACHEL MARY IN PLYMOUTH, MASSACHUSETTS, CLOSE TO WHERE RACHEL GREW UP. THE COUPLE'S FIRST CHILD, LILLIAN ROSE THE BORN IN ENGLAND. THE COUPLE DECIDES TO MOVE TO THE UNITED STATES. THEY MOVE IN WITH RACHEL'S PARENTS IN THEIR NEW ENGLAND HOME. IN JANUARY OF 2006, THEY RENT THEIR OWN HOME IN HOPKINTON, ABOUT 50 MILE ACE WAY. ON JANUARY 19, RACHEL SPEAKS WITH HER MOTHER AND FRIENDS BY PHONE. SHE INVITES HER MOTHER TO HAVE LUNCH IN HER NEW HOME ON SATURDAY AND INVITES HER TWO FRIENDS TO DINNER ON SATURDAY NIGHT. THAT THURSDAY EVENING IS THE LAST TIME ANYONE BESIDES NEIL ENTWISTLE IS KNOWN TO HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH RACHEL. PROSECUTORS SAY IT WAS ON JANUARY 20th THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE SHOOTS HIS WIFE AND BABY GIRL. THE NEXT DAY HE BUYS A ONE-WAY PLANE TICKET FROM BOSTON TO LONDON. ALSO ON JANUARY 21st, RACHEL'S MOTHER AND FRIENDS ARRIVE FOR THEIR LUNCH AND DINNER PLANS BUT NO ONE ANSWERS THE DOOR AT THE ENTWISTLE HOME. AFTER POLICE REPORTS WERE FILED. HOPKINTON COPS ENTER THE HOME BUT FIND NOTHING. THEN ON JANUARY THE 2nd 2006, OFFICERS RETURN TO THE HOUSE ANOTHER TIME AND THIS TIME THEY FIND RACHEL AND LILLIAN'S BODY UNDER THE COVERS IN THE MASTER BEDROOM. ON FEBRUARY 9, NEIL ENTWISTLE IS ARRESTED IN LONDON. HE WAIVES EXTRADITION AND IS BROUGHT BACK TO THE U.S. AND JUST LAST WEEKS, ENTWISTLE'S MURDER TRIAL BEGINS. A SORE POINT FOR THE DEFENSE SURELY HAS TO BE NEIL ENTWISTLE FINDING THOSE BODIES, NOT CALLING 911 EVER, GOING TO ENGLAND, STAYING IN ENGLAND, NOT RETURNING HOME FOR THE FUNERAL. >> THAT'S A HARD POINT FOR THE DEFENSE BECAUSE YOU GET REPULSED BY IT. BY THE SAME TOKEN, I GUESS THEY'RE GOING TO ARGUE OR YOU THOUGHT ACTUALLY IN THE OPENINGS THAT HE WAS SO UPSET BY FINDING THE BODIES, THAT HE JUST LEFT. BUT THE PROSECUTION IS GOING TO GO TO THE AIRPORT, THEIR GOING TO FIND ALL THE SECURITY CHECKS HE HAD TO GO THROUGH, THEY'RE GOING TO TALK TO PEOPLE HE ANSWERED QUESTIONS WITH, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO SHOW THAT HE WAS ACTING FINE, NORMAL AND IN CONTROL OF HIS SENSES. YOU HAVE IT BOTH WAYS HERE AND THE QUESTION IS WHICH WAY THE JURY IS GOING TO BELIEVE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION TO BELIEVE HE DID IT BECAUSE HE WAS VERY UPSET. BUT THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE DEFENSE BRINGS OUT. >> GAIL ALBA, DOESN'T THIS SEEM LIKE A PERSONAL KIND OF SHOOTING TO YOU, SHOOTING A 9-MONTH-OLD BABY GIRL AS SHE'S IN HER MOTHER'S ARMS. WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING EXCEPT SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY CLOSE TO HER? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK IF A DETECTIVE COMES IN AND LOOKS AT THAT SCENE, DOES HE THINK THAT A FAMILY MEMBER WOULD SHOOT HIS OWN SON IN THE HEAD AND HIS WIFE? IT'S. >> A BABY GIRL. >> A BATES GIRL, RIGHT. YOU WOULDN'T EVEN THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD THINK SOMEBODY CAME IN, EVERYTHING ELSE POSSIBLE. BUT WHEN YOU PUT EVERYTHING THIS CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, THIS CASE REALLY FITS NEIL AS POSSIBLY BEEN THE SUSPECT HERE. >> SO YOUR FIRST INSTINCT WOULDN'T BE THIS IS A DOMESTIC DISPUTE, BECAUSE MINE WOULD BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL A BABY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A DOMESTIC THING. WHY WOULD A BURGLAR -- THERE WERE NO SIGNS OF FORCED INDUSTRY. NOTHING WAS STOLEN. WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT A 9-MONTH-OLD BABY, SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WITNESS AGAINST YOU? >> HOME INVASIONS THEY DO THAT. THEY GET THE WITHOUT BREAKING IN. THEY OPEN THE DOOR SOMEHOW. BUT THAT'S A THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE IN THERE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T THINK THAT A FAMILY MEMBER WOULD DO THAT, ESPECIALLY A HUSBAND. SO THEY LOOK AT EVERYTHING FIRST AND CERTAINLY THEY DON'T FOCUS ON ONE INDIVIDUAL. BUT WHEN YOU DO AN INVESTIGATION LIKE THAT, YOU PUT ALMOST A TARGET RIGHT ON THAT BED AND YOU DON'T MOVE FROM THERE UNTIL YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION AND WHO'S CLOSEST TO THAT AND ONCE YOU START TALKING TO EVERYBODY IN THE FAMILY AND THEN YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE HUSBAND AND SEE WHERE HE IS AND WHERE IS HE? THEY CAN'T EVEN FIND HIM. >> THERE IS HE IS RIGHT NOW, NEIL ENTWISTLE COMING IN WITH A BIG SMILE ON HIS FACE, LOOKING RATHER CONFIDENT THIS MORNING. OF COURSE THE JURY IS NOT IN YET. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S SMILING ABOUT. BETH KARAS, LET ME GO OUT TO YOU, HOW HAS NEIL ENTWISTLE COME ACROSS IN THE COURTROOM AS YOU HAVE OBSERVED HIM? >> Reporter: SOME PEOPLE WONDER IF HE'S MEDICATED. HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ME. NAVEED HAQ APPEARED TO BE MEDICATED, BUT NEIL END WHICH ISSAL DOESN'T. HE TURNS AROUND DURING THE BREAKS AND HE WILL MOUTH SOMETHING TO HIS FAMILY. HIS MOM AND HIS STEP FATHER AND BROTHER RUSSELL SIT RIGHT BEHIND HIM AND OFTEN HE WILL PUT HIS HAND UP TO HIS MOUTH TO SHIELD THE REST OF THE AUDIENCE SO IT'S JUST DIRECTED AT HIS FAMILY. HE SEEMS TO BE ENGAGED. HE WILL TALK TO STEPHANIE PAGE WHO'S SEATED NEXT TO HIM. THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS LAST WEEK, STEPHANIE PAGE TO HIS LEFT, AND THEN ELLIOT WINESTEIN TO PAGE'S LEFT. >> YOU KNOW, HE HAS BEEN INCARCERATED FOR OVER TWO YEARS NOW, RIGHT, BETH? SO HE'S PROBABLY -- A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE INCARCERATED FRAVNGLY THEY'RE HAPPY TO GO TO THEIR TRIAL BECAUSE THEY GET TO WEAR NORMAL CLOTHES, THEY GET TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES PRISON INMATES. IT'S DAY TWO OF TESTIMONY IN THE TRIAL OF NEIL ENTWISTLE. WAS HE A LOVING HUSBAND AND FATHER OR A COLD-BLOODED KILLER. YOU'LL HEAR MORE FROM THE WITNESSES FOR THE PROSECUTION AS OUR LIVE COVERAGE CONTINUES. >>> THERE'S STILL TIME TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS IN TO OPEN COURT AND ANSWER OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY. SHOULD THE JURY HEAR ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ALLEGED SEXUAL ESCAPADES? JUST LOG ON TO CNN.COM/CRIME AND CLICK ON OPEN COURT OR E-MAIL US DIRECTLY AT CNN.COM. I RELEVANT, HIGHLY PREJUDICIAL SAYS THE DEFENSE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LIVE PICTURE OF LLOYD COOK, HE WAS RACHEL ENTWISTLE'S UNCLE. >> AND YOU USED HANDGUNS FOR TARGET SHOOTINGS? >> YES. >> IN 2005, YOU HAD YOUR HANDGUNS? >>Y. >> AND YOU HAD MORE THAN ONE? >> YES, I DO. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN SHOOTING? >> SINCE I WAS IN MY 20s, I BELIEVE. >> YOU ARE GOOD SHOT? >> FAIR. DO YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT A GOOD SHOT IS A NATURAL TALENT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A NATURAL TALENT. IT'S A LEARNED. >> WERE YOU IN THE SERVICE? >> NO. >> WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE RANGE, YOU GO AND SOME GUYS, THEY'RE JUST A GOOD SHOT, THEY CAN HIT A TIGHT SHOT ON A TARGET? >> THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN DO THAT? >> THEY'RE SORT OF THE NATURALS? >> YOU COULD CALL IT THAT? >> AND THERE ARE OTHER GUYS WHO ARE OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THAT TIGHT SHOT GROUP WITH CONSISTENCY? >> RIGHT. >> PUT YOURSELF IN THE SECOND GROUP AS OPPOSED TO THE FIRST GROUP? >> PROBABLY, YEAH. >> NOW WHEN I USE THE TERM A SHOT GROUP, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, IN TERMS OF SHOOTING ON THE RANGE? >> THAT'S THE GROUPING OF THE -- >> IF ONE WERE TO SHOOT, FOR EXAMPLE, FIVE TIMES IN A CLOSE SHOT GROUP, THEY WOULD BE THE BEST SHOT WOULD HAVE ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER? >> THEY WOULD BE CLOSE, YES. >> TO BE A REALLY -- >> WAIT UNTIL THE WITNESS FINISHES--THE COURT REPORTER CAN'T TAKE TWO PEOPLE AT ONCE. >> IF YOU WERE REALLY PERFECT, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE HOLE THROUGH THE TARGET, EVEN THOUGH YOU SHOT FIVE SHOTS? >> IF IT'S POSSIBLE, YES. >> NOBODY DOES THAT? >> NO. >> BUT A GOOD SHOT WOULD HAVE A TIGHT GROUPING ON THE TARGET? >> YES. >> YOU HIT THE TARGET, YOU HAVE TO AIM. >> YES. >> AND TO HAVE A CLOSE SHOT GROUPING, ONE HAS TO HAVE GOOD AIM? >> YES. >> AND A STEADY HAND? >> YES. >> AND IF ONE ISN'T GIFTED WITH A STEADY HAND, ONE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A CLOSE SHOT GROUP? >> NO. >> UNLESS OF COURSE SOMEONE HAS A TRIPOD HOLDING THE THING IN PLACE? >> RIGHT. >> BUT SPORTSMEN DON'T DO THAT? >> NOT -- >> YOU GUYS DON'T DO THAT WHEN YOU WENT SHOOTING AT THE CLUB AT PEOPLE -- PEOPLE BROOK? >> WE USED TO PUT THEM ON BLOCKS OR SANDBAGS. WE COULD REST OUR ARM ON THE BENCH. THAT TYPE OF THING. >> AND THAT WOULD HELP TO STEADY THE AIM OF THE PISTOL? . >> ON THE RIFLE, YES. >> WOULD IT MORE USE OF A SUPPORT SHOOTING WITH A RIFLE OR MORE USE OF A SUPPORT -- >> I DIDN'T HEAR THE ANSWER. >> THE RIFLE? >> THE RIFLE. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE GAME OF BASKETBALL? >> I NEVER PLAYED IT. >> BUT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE GAME ITSELF, SHOOTING FOUL SHOTS? >> YES, I'M KIND OF. >> THERE SOME BALLPLAYERS THAT ARE NATURAL FOUL SHOT MAKERS. THEY CAN STAND THERE AT THE LINE AND JUST POP THEM IN ALL DAY. >> UH-HUH. >> THERE ARE SOME VERY, VERY GOOD BASKETBALL PLAYERS THAT CAN SHOOT A FOUL SHOT WORTH A LICK LIKE SHAQUILLE O'NEAL? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? >> NO, I'M NOT. >> YOU REMEMBER WILT CHAMBERLAYNE? OUR GENERATION? >> KIND OF, YEAH. >> NOT THE BEST FOUL SHOOTER? >> I DIDN'T FOLLOW BASKETBALL. >> HOW ABOUT RICK BARRY, THE GUY WHO SHOT BETWEEN HIS LEGS? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> SUSTAINED, AS TO RELEVANCE HERE. >> THEN COMPARING THE NATURAL FOUL SHOT GUY TO THE NATURAL TARGET PRACTICE GUY, IT'S AN APTITU APTITUDE, IT'S A SKILL THAT ONE MORE OR LESS IS BORN WITH, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> IT'S A SKILL, I GUESS. >> I'M ASKING YOU NOW ABOUT THE HANDGUNS THAT YOU OWNED. WHAT WERE THEY? NOT THE RIFLES, HANDGUNS. >> I HAD -- THE ONES I BROUGHT TO THE CLUB WERE USUALLY A .22 RESOLVE -- REVOLVER, A .38 SPECIAL. AND I BELIEVE ON ONE OCCASION, I USED TO BRING A .25 BEFORE -- BAR RELATE THAT. >> IS THE BARRETTA AN AUTOMATIC? >> I DON'T THINK. >> AND THE CLIP IS AMMUNITION THAT IS STACKED UP? >> AND THE CLIP IS INSERTED INTO THE GRIP OF THE WEAPON? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND YOU SHOOT BULLET INTO THE TARGET? >> THAT CLIP HELD SHOTS. >> THE .38 SPECIAL, IS THAT A REVOLVER OR AUTOMATIC. >> THAT WAS A REVOLVER. >> AND THE .22 ALSO A REVOLVER? >> YES. >> AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THE BULLETS OR THE AMMUNITION IS LOADED INTO THE RESOLVER FROM THE AUTOMATIC? >> YES. >> AND THE REVOLVER, THEY BOTH GO INTO A ROUND PIECE CALLED A CYLINDER? >> YES. >> AND TO OPEN UP THE CYLINDER ON A REVOLVER, YOU HAVE TO RELEASE IT IN SOME WAY? >> YES. >> AND ON YOUR .22, THERE'S A BUTTON, IS THERE NOT THAT YOU JUST TOUCH AND THE CYLINDER FOLDS DOWN? >> MY .22, IT WAS THE ROD THAT HELD THE -- I HAD TO PULL THE ROD FAR AND THE SILER COMES OUT. >> WHEN THE CYLINDER COMES DOWN, IS YOURS A 6 OR AN EIGHT SHOT? >> NINE. >> NINE? >> WHO'S THE MANUFACTURER. >> HIGH STANDARD. >> OKAY, SO YOU HAVE NINE HOLES IN THE CYLINDER? >> YES. >> AND YOU PUT IN THE BULLETS AND THEN YOU FLIP THE CYLINDER BACK INTO THE MAIN AREA OF THE HANDGUN? >> YES. >> AND THEN YOU CAN SHOOT ONCE YOU TAKE THE SAFETY OFF, RIGHT? >> EXCUSE ME? >> YOU CAN SHOOT IF YOU TAKE THE SAFETY OFF? >> THERE'S NO SAFETY ON A REVOLVER. >> AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU OWN IT? >> YES. >> AND YOU'VE USED IT? >> YES. >> JOE MATTERAZZO ALSO OWNED HANDGUNS? >> YES. >> AND YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE HANDGUNS THAT JOE OWNED? >> I HAD USED THEM. >> ALL RIGHT. AND DO YOU RECALL THAT HE ALSO HAD A .22? >> YES. >> DO YOU RECALL WHAT OTHER HANDGUNS HE HAD IN 2005? >> HE HAD A .357 AND A .9 MILLIMETER. >> THE .# MILLIMETER, AN AUTOMATIC? >> A SEMIAUTOMATIC. >> THAT'S WHERE THE AMMUNITION GOES INTO THE CLIP, THE CLIP GOES INTO THE GRIP? >> A SEMIAUTOMATIC? >> A REVOLVER. >> A FILM THAT HAS TO POP-OUT? >> YES. >> A .22, A REVOLVER? >> YES. >> AND JOE'S .22, YOU RECALL DOES HAVE A LITTLE BUTTON ON THE SIDE TO RELEASE THE CYLINDER? >> IT'S BEEN A WHILE. YES, I BELIEVE HIS HAD THE RELEASE, THUMB RELEASE. >> THUMB RELEASE THAT LOOKS LIKE A BUTTON THAT ONE'S NEVER SEEN A GUN BEFORE, AND YOU JUST TOUCH IT? >> YOU PUSH ON IT. >> LEFT OR RIGHT, HAND, THUMB, WHATEVER, JUST PUSH ON IT AND THE CYLINDER WOULD DROP DOWN? >> RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOURS WHERE YOU HAVE THE PULL ROD? >> RIGHT. >> RACHEL ENTWISTLE WAS YOUR NIECE? >> YES. >> AND YOU KNEW HER AND FOLLOWED HER GROWTH FROM TIME SHE WAS BORN? >> YES. >> YOU KNEW HER WHEN SHE WAS IN HER EARLY SCHOOL YEARS? >> YES. >> ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. >> WOULD YOU SEE HER FREQUENTLY? >> YES. >> HOW OFTEN? LET'S SAY -- LET'S NOT MAKE IT HARD. LET'S JUST LOOK AT HIGH SCHOOL YEARS. DO YOU RECALL WHERE SHE WAS LIVING WHEN SHE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. KINGSTON. >> SHE WAS LIVING WITH HER MOM? >> YES. >> AND HER BROTHER? >> YES. >> AND WAS THERE A TIME THAT SHE WAS ALSO LIVING IN KINGSTON WITH JOE MATTERAZZO? >> NO. SO DURING HER HIGH SCHOOL YEARS, WITH HER MOM, HER BROTHER, HIS NAME JEROME? >> YES. >> YOU FOLLOWED IN A GENERAL WAY HER HIGH SCHOOL DEVELOPMENT? >> YES. >> MY DAUGHTER AND RACHEL WOULD STILL PLAY TOGETHER. >> DID YOU KNOW ANY OF RACHEL'S FRIENDS DURING HER HIGH SCHOOL YEARS? OTHER THAN YOUR DAUGHTER? >> NOT REALLY, NO. >> AND SO YOU COULDN'T TELL US HOW BIG OR SMALL HER SOCIAL CIRCLE WAS? >> NO. >> YOU KNOW THAT SHE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. >> THE NAME AGAIN? >> SILVER LAKE REGIONAL HIGH SCHOOL. >> SHE WENT ON TO COLLEGE? >> YES. >> SHE WENT ON TO HOLY CROSS? >> YES. >> DID YOU VISIT HER AT ALL AT HOLY CROSS? >> NO. >> WERE YOU INTRODUCED TO HER COLLEGE FRIENDS? >> NO. >> YOU KNEW THAT AT SOME POINT SHE FINISHED HOLY CROSS? >> RIGHT. >> BUT COMBINED DID SHE NOT WITH SOME STUDY THAT SHE DID IN ENGLAND? >> YES. >> YOU KNEW THAT SHE WENT OVER TO ENGLAND AS PART OF HER HOLY CROSS EDUCATION? >> YES. >> AND YOU LEARNED, DID YOU NOT, THAT SHE MET A BOYFRIEND IN ENGLAND? >> YES. >> AND THAT FELLOW IS NEIL ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> YOU KNEW WHILE RACHEL WAS IN ENGLAND THAT SHE WAS DATING THIS GUY NEIL? >> YES. >> AND YOU LEARNED THAT AT SOME POINT SHE AND NEIL BEGAN TO LIVE TOGETHER IN THEIR OWN PLACE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER WAS TOLD THAT. >> YOU LEARNED THAT THE TWO BECAME ENGAGED IN EACH OTHER TO MARRY? >> YES. >> AND AT SOME POINT, YOU MET NEIL? >> YES. >> AND YOU MET HIM HERE IN THE UNITED STATES? >> YES. >> YOU MET HIM, WAS IT WHEN THEIR ENGAGEMENT WAS BEING ANNOUNCED TO THE FAMILY? >> I DON'T RECALL OFFHAND. >> DO YOU RECALL WHEN IT WAS THAT YOU FIRST MET NEIL? >> ABOUT YEAR, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A DAY AND A WEEK, IF YOU DO RECALL. >> I CAN'T RECALL THE YEAR. >> FAIR ENOUGH. LET ME MOVE ON. WHEN YOU FIRST MET HIM, YOU FORMED AN IMPRESSION OF HIM, DID YOU NOT? >> YES. >> HE WAS IN YOUR IMPRESSION AND OPINION A NICE GUY? >> YES. >> A POLITE GUY? >> YES. >> A BIT OF A QUIET GUY? >> YES, HE WAS QUIET. >> EVEN A BIT RESERVED? >> YES. >> AND FROM ALL YOU COULD SEE, RACHEL AND NEIL WERE VERY HAPPY TOGETHER? >> THEY WERE. >> FAIR TO SAY THAT AS FAR AS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED THEM, THEY WERE A HAPPY AND LOVING COUPLE? >> YES. >> THEY GOT MARRIED? >> YES. >> THEY GOT MARRIED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> DID YOU ATTEND THE WEDDING? >> YES. >> AND HOW BIG AN EVENT WAS IT? >> OVER 100 PEOPLE I BELIEVE. >> YOU MET SOME FRIENDS OF RACHEL AND NEIL FROM ENGLAND? AT THE WEDDING? >> PROBABLY. >> DON'T REMEMBER THEM? >> I DON'T. >> YOU ALSO KNEW THAT NEIL'S PARENTS CAME OVER FROM ENGLAND FOR THE WEDDING ITSELF? >> YES. >> DO YOU REMEMBER MEETING THEM? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. DECENT COUPLE? >> YES. >> QUIET FAMILY? >> YES. >> EVEN A BIT RESERVINGED? >> YES. >> THERE CAME A TIME WHEN YOU LEARNED THAT RACHEL WAS PREGNANT? >> YES. >> AND THAT SHE HAD GIVEN BIRTH TO A BABY DAUGHTER? >> YES. >> AND THAT OCCURRED, THE BIRTH OCCURRED IN ENGLAND? >> YES. >> LILLIAN AND RACHEL CAME OVER TO THE UNITED STATES FOR LILLIAN'S CRISENING? >> YES. >> DID YOU ATTEND THAT? >> YES, I DID. >> WAS NEIL THERE? >> YES, HE WAS IN. >> AGAIN, YOU GOT TO SEE NEIL AND RACHEL TOGETHER? >> YES. >> AND YOU GOT TO SEE THEM SHARING THE JOY OF THEIR NEWBORN DAUGHTER? >> YES. >>> IT'S A MURDER MYSTERY THAT'S BEEN IN THE HEADLINES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POND, CAN NEIL ENTWISTLE GET A FAIR TRIAL? THERE'S MORE LIVE COVERAGE COMING UP ON OPEN COURT. >>> WELCOME BACK. THE CROSS-EXAMINATION OF RACHEL'S UNCLE LLOYDE COOK HAS JUST ENDED. A NEW WITNESS MICHAEL MATTERAZZO. >> MY WIFE AND CHILDREN. >> HOW OLD ARE YOUR CHILDREN? >> NINE AND GOING TO BE 2. >> DO YOU WORK? >> YES. >> WHAT DO YOU DO FOR WORK? >> RETAIL CONSTRUCTION. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THAT? >> ABOUT 12 YEARS. >> AND WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS? >> THEY VARY. DEPENDS, USUALLY MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY BUT I CAN WORK WEEKENDS, NIGHT, DEPENDS ON WHAT THE JOB IS. >> DO YOU KNOW A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF JOSEPH MATTERAZZO? >> YES. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW HIM? >> HE'S MY FATHER. >> HAD YOU LIVED WITH HIM AT SOME POINT IN TIME? >> YES. >> WHEN DID YOU LIVE WITH HIM? >> FROM THE TIME I WAS BORN UNTIL MY MOTHER AND HIM SEPARATED AND AGAIN WHEN -- >> WHAT YEAR WAS THAT WHEN THEY SEPARATED? >> I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR, BUT I WAS 13 SO IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO. >> AND DO YOU HAVE SIBLINGS? >> YES. >> AND THEIR NAMES PLEASE AND AGES. >> THERE'S MY BROTHER JOE, HE'S 38, MY SISTER BETH, SHE'S 32, MY SISTER ERICA WHO'S GOING ON -- HOW OLD IS ERICA? I FORGET. SHE'S 29ISH. >> AND DO THEY ALL LIVE IN THE AREA? >> YES. >> AND CAN YOU GENERALLY DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAVE WITH JOSEPH MATTERAZZO, YOUR BROTHER'S SISTERS? >> I -- MY -- DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU ALL HAVE. >> IT'S A FAMILY RELATIONSHIP, WE'RE GREAT. YOU KNOW, WE ALL GET ALONG GREAT. >> AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR MOM, YOU STILL IN TOUCH WITH HER? >> YES. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOUR MOM AND YOUR DAD? >> THEY'RE VERY FRIENDLY TO EACH OTHER. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID YOU MEET A WOMAN BY THE NAME OF RACHEL SOUZA? >> YES. >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET HER? IF YOU RECALL. >> IT WAS ROUGHLY 15 YEARS AGO. >> AND HOW DID YOU MEET HER? >> SHE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF MY FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND. >> AND YOUR FATHER'S GIRLFRIEND'S NAME? PRISCILLA SOUZA? >> AT THAT TIME, IT WAS PRISCILLA SOUZA. >> WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE SOUZA FAMILY THAT YOU MET? >> RACHEL'S BROTHER, PRISCILLA'S SON JEROME. >> AND DID YOU BEGIN TO GET TO KNOW PRISCILLA AND RACHEL AND JEROME? >> YES. >> WHETHER OR NOT YOU AND OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD SPEND TIME TOGETHER WITH THE SOUZA FAMILY MEMBERS? >> YES. >> WHEN WOULD THAT OCCUR? >> IT VARIED. THE WEEKEND, WE WOULD TRY TO GET TOGETHER AT SOME POINTS. IT WAS REAL TOUGH TO KEEP EVERYBODY TOGETHER AT ONCE. THE FAMILY WAS KIND OF BIG AT THAT POINT. >> AND IF YOU COULD, DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU YOURSELF HAD WITH RACHEL? >> OH, IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS LIKE ANOTHER SISTER. >> AND WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RACHEL AND YOUR DAD JOSEPH? >> THE SAME, IT WAS A FATHER-DAUGHTER TYPE RELATIONSH RELATIONSHIP. >> RACHEL AND HER DAUGHTER PRISCILLA? >> A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. >> AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SOUZA AND MAT RAZA FAMILY? >> PRETTY GOOD. >> SPEND HOLIDAYS TOGETHER? >> AT SOME POINT DID THE RELATIONSHIP CHANGE BETWEEN YOUR DAD AND PRISCILLA? >> THEY GOT MARRIED? >> DO YOU RECALL WHAT YEAR? >> THAT WAS IN 2001. >> FROM 2001 UP UNTIL 2005, DID THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY CONTINUE TO SOCIALIZE WITH THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY? >> YES. >> AND THE RELATIONSHIP, DID IT CONTINUE TO REMAIN STRONG AND GOOD? >> YES. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BID YOU MEET NEIL ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET HIM? >> I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT YEAR OR TIME, BUT IT WAS WHEN, I THINK IT WAS AT A SCHOOL BREAK AFTER RACHEL HAD COME BACK FROM ENGLAND. >> DID YOU MEET HIM OVER HERE OR OVER IN ENGLAND? >> I MET HIM HERE. >> AND YOU DON'T RECALL WHAT YEAR THAT WAS? >> NO. NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> YOU STAY SCHOOL BREAK, WAS THAT WHEN RACHEL WAS GOING TO HOLY CROSS? >> NO. >> SHE WAS STUDYING ABROAD? >> IT WAS AFTER SHE WAS STUDYING ABROAD. >> FROM THAT TIME UNTIL THE FALL OF 2005, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO MEET AND SEE THE DEFENDANT NEIL ENTWISTLE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION OR A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS? >> A FEW, YES. >> AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM? >> IT WAS GOOD. >> WHAT ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAD OBSERVED BETWEEN THE DEFENDANT AND RACHEL SOUZA? >> THEY WERE GREAT. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NEIL AND RACHEL CHANGE? >> THEY GOT MARRIED. >> WHEN WAS THAT? >> ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. >> DID YOU ATTEND THE WEDDING? >> WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY? >> YES. >> WHAT ROLE DID JOSEPH MATTERAZZO PLAY IN THE WEDDING? >> HE WAS FATHER OF THE BRIDE. HE GAVE HER AWAY. >> WHERE WAS THAT WEDDING HELD BY THE WAY? >> IT WAS IN PRIM MOUTH. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, IF I COULD TO THE END OF THE SUMMER, 2005. ARE YOU STILL LIVING IN THE AREA? >> YES. >> AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD AN OCCASION TO SEE RACHEL, NOW RACHEL ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> AND HOW WAS IT THAT YOU CAME ABOUT TO SEE HER? >> SHE HAD COME -- THEY HAD BEEN MOVED BACK WITH MY PARENTS, I BELIEVE. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN SHE MOVED BACK? >> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, NO. >> DID SHE COME BACK ALONE OR WITH SOMEONE ELSE? >> I THINK AT FIRST SHE CAME BACK BY HERSELF AND THEN NEIL CAME AFTER. >> WHEN YOU SAY BY HERSELF, WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE WITH HER WHEN SHE CAME BACK. >> OH, I'M SORRY, YES. LILLIAN. >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET LILY? >> IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER THEY CAME BACK HERE. >> WHEN DID YOU LEARN OF THE BIRTH OF LILY? >> IN APRIL OF THAT -- OF 2005. >> 2005. >> DO YOU RECALL HOW MUCH TIME PASSED FROM WHEN RACHEL FIRST CAME BACK UNTIL THE DEFENDANT ARRIVED? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> INTO THE FALL OF 2005, AT SOME POINT DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE AND MEET THE DEFENDANT BACK HERE IN THE UNITED STATES? >> YES. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT FIRST WAS? >> I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY, NO. >> FROM THE FALL OF 2005 UP THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2005, JANUARY 2006, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEND TIME WITH RACHEL AND NEIL AND LILY? >> YES. >> UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES? >> I WENT TO MY FATHER'S HOUSE, MY FATHER AND PRISCILLA WHERE THEY WERE LIVING AND THEY JUST DROPPED BY FOR A VISIT. >> HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU SEE RACHEL AND/OR THE DEFENDANT? >> I WOULD SEE THEM I BELIEVE AT THE TIME I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH MY FATHER SO I CAME BY A COUPLE OF TIMES, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, BUT I WOULD SEE THEM PRETTY REGULARLY. >> DID YOU HAVE OCCASION DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT RACHEL HAD ANY FRIENDS? >> OH, YEAH. >> AND DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT SHE SPENT TIME WITH THOSE FRIENDS? >> YES. >> DID YOU MEET ANY OF THOSE FRIENDS YOURSELF? >> I HAVE MET A FEW OVER THE YEARS, YES. >> DO YOU RECALL ANY OF THE NAMES? >> JOANNE AND THERE WAS MICHELE AND I MEAN THE LIST GOES ON. I CAN'T RECALL THEIR NAMES. >> DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT DURING THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME, DECEMBER 2005 TO JANUARY OF 2006 RACHEL WOULD SPEND ANY TIME WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS OTHER THAN YOURSELF? >> YES. >> COURAGEOUS TESTIMONY FROM THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE, THE MATTERAZZOS. WE'RE TAKING A SHORT BREAK. YOU CAN TAKE A MOMENT TO WRITE TO US AND ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE DAY. SHOULD THE JURY HEAR ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ALLEGED SEXUAL ESCAPADES? JUST LOG ON TO CNN.COM/CRIME OR E-MAIL US DIRECTLY AT OPENCOURT@CNN.COM. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LIVE IN THE MASSACHUSETTS CASE OF KNEEL ENTWISTLE. ON THE STAND MICHAEL MATTERAZZO, THE STEPBROTHER OF ONE OF THE TWO SHOOTING VICTIMS, RACHEL ENTWISTLE. TALKING HERE ABOUT FAMILY TIME AT THE LOCAL GUN CLUB. LET'S TAKE A LOOK. >> .9 MILLIMETER LOOKING AT THE SHOTGUN AND A 3030 WINCHESTER. >> AND WHERE DID YOU BRING THOSE GUNS WHEN YOU TOOK THEM OUT OF THE VEHICLE? >> WE BROUGHT THEM UP TO THE OUTDOOR RANGE. >> WHOSE VEHICLE WERE THEY IN THAT YOU REMOVED THEM FROM? >> MY FATHER'S. >> DID YOU BEGIN TO SET UP AND PARTICIPATE IN SHOOTING THAT DAY? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE CONDITION OF THE GUNS WHEN YOU BROUGHT THEM OUT AND PUT THEM AT THE STATIONS, AT THE PISTOL RANGE? >> YES. THEY WERE ALL IN THEIR CASES WITH THE TRIGGER LOCKS ON THEM. >> AND DID THEY -- DID YOU UNLOCK THEM OR DID SOMEBODY UNLOCK THEM? >> WE KIND OF ALL UNLOCKED THEM INDIVIDUALLY. >> EXCUSE ME. WHERE DID YOU -- DID YOU HAVE THE KEYS? WHERE DID YOU GET THE KEYS FROM, SIR? >> MY FATHER HAD GIVEN THEM TO ME. >> DO YOU RECALL WHICH FIREARMS YOU UNLOCKED? >> YES. I UNLOCKED THE .22, I BELIEVE, AND THE .357. >> ON THE .22, WHAT TYPE OF FIREARM IS THAT? IS THAT A SEMIAUTOMATIC OR A REVOLVER. >> IT'S A REVOLVER. >> WHEN YOU RETRIEVED THAT DID IT HAVE A LOCK ON IT? >> YES. >> DID YOU UNLOCK IT USING THE KEYS YOU GOT FROM JOE? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE IF YOU REMEMBER THE CONDITION OF THE LOCK WHEN YOU WENT TO UNLOCK IT? >> IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ON CORRECTLY. IT WAS ON, BUT NOT TIGHT AND CORRECT. >> WERE THE OTHER FIREARMS UNLOCKED AS WELL? >> WE UNLOCKED THEM, YES. >> UNLOCKED THEM. FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU AND ANTHONY AND YOUR DAD THEN SPENT A PERIOD OF TIME THERE AT THAT RANGE SHOOTING ALL THOSE FIREARMS? >> YES. >> HOW LONG DID YOU SPEND AT THAT OUTDOOR RANGE? >> WE WERE THERE FOR A FEW HOURS, AND THEN WENT TO LUNCH, GET SOMETHING TO EAT. >> WHERE DID YOU GO TO LUNCH? DID YOU STAY AT THE CLUB OR DID YOU LEAVE THE CLUB? >> NO. WE LOCKED UP THE -- AND SECURED ALL THE WEAPONS AND PUT THEM BACK IN THE TRUCK AND WENT TO THE SUB SHOP AROUND THE CORNER. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME. >> DID YOU TAKE TWO VEHICLES OR ONE VEHICLE WHEN YOU WENT TO THE SUB SHOP. >> NO. WE TOOK MY CAR. >> AND WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLE WAS YOUR DAD, JOE, DRIVING THAT DAY? >> HE HAD -- IT WAS A PICKUP TRUCK. >> WHAT TIME DID YOU GO TO LUNCH, IF YOU RECALL? >> DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND. IT WAS AROUND LUNCH, THOUGH, AROUND NOON. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND AT LUNCH? >> ABOUT A HALF AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES. >> THE THREE OF YOU WENT TOGETHER TO THE SAME PLACE? >> YES. >> WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER LUNCH. >> BACK TO THE GUN CLUB. >> WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT BACK TO THE GUN CLUB. >> TOOK OUT THE FIREARMS AND WENT BACK TO GO SHOOT SOME MORE. >> SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SHOOTING? >> YES. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND AFTER LUNCH SHOOTING? >> IT WAS A COUPLE OF HOURS. IT WAS PROBABLY TWO, THREE HOURS. >> OVER THE COURSE OF THAT AFTERNOON BEFORE YOU LEFT THE CLUB THAT DAY, DO YOU RECALL MAKING OR RECEIVING ANY PHONE CALLS? >> YES. >> DID YOU RECEIVE ANY PHONE CALLS? >> YES, I DID. >> WHO DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM? >> MY WIFE. >> WHAT ABOUT JOE? DID HE RECEIVE OR MAKE ANY PHONE CALLS? >> YES. >> AND, IF YOU KNOW, WHAT DID HE RECEIVE A CALL FROM. >> PRISCILLA CALLED HIM. >> DID THEY SPEAK FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES. >> AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR -- YOUR DAD'S DEMEANOR THAT DAY WHEN YOU FIRST GOT TO THE GUN CLUB? >> HE WAS -- HE WAS MY DAD. HE WAS FUNNY. JUST HIMSELF. >> WHAT ABOUT THE NIGHT BEFORE WHEN YOU SPOKE TO HIM OVER THE PHONE, IF YOU RECALL HIS DEMEANOR THAT DAY? >> IT WAS -- WE WERE EXCITED, BOTH OF US, HIM AND I. >> I'M SORRY. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD SEEN HIM. >> IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> AND WHAT ABOUT ANTHONY'S DEMEERN? HOW WAS HE THAT DAY, THAT SATURDAY? >> THE SAME. HE WAS -- >> FOLLOWING THE PHONE CALL WITH -- THAT YOUR DAD HAD WITH PRISCILLA, DID YOU MAKE NOTE OF HIS DEDEMEANOR? >> YES. >> DID IT CHANGE IN ANY WAY? >> YES. >> IN WHAT WAY. >> CONCERNED. >> THEY ENDED THAT PHONE CALL? >> YES. >> YOU SPENT AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME AT THE CLUB? >> YES. >> AND, AGAIN, APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME, I DON'T RECALL WHAT YOU SAID, IF YOU SAID IT, WHAT TIME YOU LEFT THE CLUB? >> I LEFT ANYWHERE AROUND THE 3:00 AREA. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO 4:00, A LITTLE AFTER 4:00 WHEN I GOT HOME. >> NOW, DID YOU LEAVE SEPARATE AND APART FROM YOUR DAD AND ANTHONY OR DID YOU GUYS ALL LEAVE TOGETHER IN SEPARATE VEHICLES? >> WE LEFT AROUND THE SAME TIME IN SEPARATE VEHICLES. >> AND WHERE DID YOU GO? >> I WENT HOME. >> WHEN WAS THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU SPOKE TO YOUR DAD, JOE MATTERAZZO. >> LATER ON THAT EVENING. >> YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIM? >> YES. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE MIZ DEMEANOR DURING THE CONVERSATION, NOT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CONVERSATION, PLEASE? >> VERY CONCERNED. >> HOW LONG DID YOU SPEAK TO HIM? >> A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE NIGHT, ABOUT FIVE TO TEN MINUTES, EACH CALL. >> NOW, THIS WOULD BE SATURDAY NIGHT, JANUARY 21st? >> YES. >> DID YOU SPEAK TO HIM ON SUNDAY? >> YES. >> HOW MANY TIMES? >> QUITE A FEW. >> IN THE EVENING DID YOU RECEIVE A CALL FROM HIM, LATE IN THE EVENING? >> YES. >> AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND 8:00. I CAN'T -- I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT TIME. >> AS A RESULT OF THAT PHONE CALL, WHAT DID YOU DO, SIR? >> I DROVE TO HARKINGTON. >> WHERE IN HOCKINGTON DID YOU GO TO WHEN YOU GOT TO HOCKINGTON? >> THE POLICE STATION. >> DID YOU SPEND A PERIOD OF TIME THERE? >> YES. >> WHO DID YOU SEE WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED? >> WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE I SAW MY FATHER AND PRISCILLA. >> AND WHERE WERE THEY? >> THEY WERE IN AN INTERVIEW ROOM. >> WERE THEY ALONE OR WITH SOMEONE ELSE? >> THEY WERE WITH JOE ANN. >> DO YOU KNOW JOANNA'S LAST NAME? >> GATELY, I BELIEVE. >> DID YOU SEE ANYBODY ELSE IN TERMS OF FRIENDS OR FAMILY THERE THAT EVENING? >> JO ANN'S SISTER. >> DO YOU KNOW HER NAME, IF YOU CAN RECALL IT? >> I CAN'T RECALL. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR DAD'S DEMEANOR WHEN YOU FIRST SAW HIM IN THAT INTERVIEW ROOM THAT EVENING? >> HE WAS DESTROYED. >> WHAT ABOUT PRISCILLA? WHAT WAS HER DEMEANOR? >> THE SAME. >> JOANNA AND MAUREEN, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE THEM? >> YES. >> DESCRIBE THEIR DEMEANOR. >> THEY WERE VERY UPSET. >> AND YOURSELF, SIR? >> IN SHOCK. >> FAIR TO SAY YOU LEARNED SOME NEWS? >> YES. >> YOU LEARNED NEWS ABOUT RACHEL AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> DID YOU SPEND SEVERAL HOURS AT THE STATION, SIR? >> YEAH. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND THERE? >> PROBABLY CLOSE TO TWO HOURS. >> WHERE DID YOU GO AFTER TWO HOURS? >> I DROVE HOME. I FOLLOWED MY FATHER AND PRISCILLA HOME TO THEIR HOME IN CARVER. >> DID YOU SPEND SOME TIME AT CARVER WHEN YOU GOT THERE? >> YES. >> HOW MUCH TIME? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> WHEN WAS THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU SAW YOUR FOLKS AND FAMILY FEBRUARYS OVER THE COURSE OF THAT WEEK? >> THE NEXT MORNING. >> FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU SPENT SOME TIME WITH THEM THAT DAY? >> YES. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, IF I COULD, SIR, TO JANUARY 31st AND FEBRUARY 1st, 2006 DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO GO TO THE WAKE OF RACHEL AND LILLIAN ENTWISTLE? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU SEE THE DEFENDANT, NEIL ENTWISTLE, THERE? >> NO. >> WHAT ABOUT ANY OF THE FRIENDS THAT YOU HAD COME TO MEET OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE. DID YOU SEE ANY OF THEM THERE? >> YES. >> LATER THAT WEEK OR INTO THE EARLY DAYS OF FEBRUARY 2003, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO MEET WITH A DETECTIVE FROM THE HOCKINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT? >> YES. >> WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF MEETING HIM? >> TO GIVE A STATEMENT AND FINGERPRINT AND DNA. >> A DNA SWAB OR PUPIL SWAB? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU DO THAT? >> YES. >> JUST ONE MOMENT, JUDGE. >>> SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY HAVE NOW TESTIFIED FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS THUS FAR. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LIVE PICTURE OF NEIL ENTWISTLE SITTING IN THE COURTROOM, TAKING IN HIS SURROUNDINGS. CROSS-EXAMINATION BEGINS NOW OF RACHEL'S STEPBROTHER MICHAEL MATTERAZZO. LET'S LISTEN. >> ABOUT 18, 19. >> AND SHE WAS LIVING IN WHICH TOWN? >> AT THE TIME, PLYMOUTH. >> SHE WAS LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLD WITH HER MOTHER? >> YES. >> AND WERE YOU LIVING IN A HOUSEHOLD SEPARATE FROM THEM? >> YES. >> WHERE WERE YOU LIVING? >> AT THE TIME I BELIEVE I WAS LIVING ON MY OWN IN PLI MOUTH IN AN APARTMENT. >> WHERE WAS YOUR FATHER LIVING THEN? >> AT THE TIME I MET THEM OR DURING -- >> WHEN YOU FIRST MET RACHEL AND HER MOTHER. >> I'M SORRY. WHEN I FIRST MET THEM MY FATHER WAS LIVING IN THE APARTMENT IN PLYMOUTH AND I WAS LIVING IN WAY MOUTH WITH MY MOTHER. >> DID YOU EVER LIVE UNDER THE SAME HOUSEHOLD WITH YOUR FATHER AND PRISCILLA AND RACHEL? >> NO. >> SOME OF YOUR YOUNGER BROTHERS DID ON AND OFF? >> YES. >> DURING VISITATION PERIODS? >> YES. >> DID YOU EVER VISIT IN THE KINGSTON HOME OR WAS THAT ALL BEFORE YOU MET RACHEL? >> THAT WAS BEFORE. >> SO YOUR FATHER AND PRISCILLA LIVED TOGETHER IN PLYMOUTH? >> YES. >> AND THEY LIVED TOGETHER IN PLYMOUTH AND RACHEL ALSO LIVED THERE? >> YES. >> WAS THAT WHEN SHE WAS OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL? >> BEFORE. >> AND DID YOU EVER DO ANYTHING WITH HER SOCIAL FRIENDS IN THOSE YEARS, HIGH SCHOOL YEARS? >> YES. ON OCCASION. >> SO ON OCCASION. HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU GO OUT WITH HER HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS? >> IT WASN'T THAT I WENT OUT WITH THEM. I WENT TO TRACK MEETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> SO YOU WOULD GO TO EVENTS THAT RACHEL WAS PARTICIPATING IN? >> YES. >> AND BE PART OF THE CROWD AT AN EVENT? >> YES. >> AND WERE THERE EVER ACTIVITIES AT THE HOME IN PLYMOUTH WHEN YOU WERE THERE AND RACHEL AND FRIENDS OF HERS WERE THERE? >> YES. >> NOW, HOW FREQUENTLY WERE YOU PRESENT WHEN THAT HAPPENED? >> QUITE FREQUENTLY. >> WHAT'S QUITE FREQUENTLY MEAN? LET ME SET A TIME FRAME FIRST. WHAT YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL WAS RACHEL IN? >> JUNIOR YEAR. SHE WAS PROBABLY 16. 15, 16. >> SO YOU WOULD COME TO YOUR DAD'S HOME NOW IN PLYMOUTH? >> YES. >> RACHEL WOULD BE THERE? YES? >> YES. >> SOME OF HER FRIENDS WOULD BE THERE. >> ON -- YES. >> AND ON OCCASION, YOU'RE STARTING TO SAY. AND MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY TIMES DID THAT HAPPEN IN HER JUNIOR YEAR? >> IT DEPENDED. >> WELL, HOW MANY TIMES DID IT HAPPEN. >> I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER. BUT IT WAS A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK. >> SO IN HER JUNIOR YEAR, A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK YOU WOULD BE AT YOUR FATHER AND PRISCILLA'S HOME IN PLYMOUTH? >> YES. >> AND A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK DURING PRISCILLA'S JUNIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL YOU'D BE THERE AND RACHEL WOULD BE THERE? YES? >> YES. >> AND A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK IN RACHEL'S JUNIOR YEAR, YOU'D BE THERE, RACHEL WOULD BE THERE, AND RACHEL'S FRIENDS WOULD BE THERE? >> I WAS NOT THERE WITHOUT -- >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LIVE. MICHAEL MATTERAZZO, RACHEL'S STEPBROTHER ON THE STAND NOW ON CROSS-EXAMINATION. LET'S LISTEN. >> -- SOME IMPRESSION OF PAST EVENTS AS OPPOSED TO A VERY SPECIFIC MEMORY OF VISITS AND FRIENDS VISITING? >> NO. >> WHICH ARE YOU DOING? GENERAL OR VERY SPECIFIC? >> VERY SPECIFIC. >> OKAY. THEN I'LL GO BACK. TO JANUARY. YOU SAID IT WAS TWO WEEKENDS. STICK BY THAT? >> YES. >> AND FEBRUARY WAS TWO WEEKENDS. >> YES. >> YOU STICK BY THAT? >> YES. >> OKAY. WHAT FRIENDS WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEKEND THAT YOU WERE THERE IN JANUARY? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> WHAT FRIENDS WERE THERE THE SECOND WEEKEND? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> HOW MANY WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEKEND? HOW MANY WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEKEND? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> HOW MANY WERE THERE THE SECOND WEEKEND? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> WHAT FRIENDS WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> WHAT FRIENDS WERE THERE THE SECOND WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> HOW MANY WERE THERE THE FIRST WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY? >> HOW MANY WERE THERE THE SECOND WEEKEND IN FEBRUARY? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> IN RACHEL'S SENIOR YEAR DID YOUR PATTERN OF VISITS REMAIN SIMILAR TO WHAT IT WAS DURING HER JUNIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. >> SO YOU WERE THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK DURING THE WEEKDAYS? YEAH? >> YES. >> AND A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK DURING THE WEEKDAYS AT DINNER TIME? >> NOT ALWAYS, NO. IT VARIED. >> HOW FREQUENTLY DURING HER SENIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL DURING THE WEEKDAYS WERE YOU THERE WHEN RACHEL WAS THERE AND SHE HAD FRIENDS AT THE HOUSE IN PLYMOUTH? >> IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE JUNIOR YEAR. >> I DIDN'T ASK YOU THAT. I ASKED YOU HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU THERE DURING HER SENIOR YEAR DURING THE WEEKDAYS AT DINNER TIME WHEN RACHEL WAS THERE AND SHE HAD FRIENDS THERE AS WELL? >> I DON'T RECALL SPECIFICS. >> CAN YOU TELL ME WHETHER RACHEL HAD A BOYFRIEND WHEN SHE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. >> DID CHEF -- SHE HAVE MORE THAN ONE? >> I BELIEVE -- POSSIBLY. >> NOT POSSIBLY, SIR. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? >> I KNOW OF ONE, YES. >> WAS THAT A BOYFRIEND DURING HER JUNIOR OR HER SENIOR YEAR. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS THE -- I DON'T RECALL. >> DO YOU KNOW WHETHER RACHEL HAD A BOYFRIEND WHEN SHE ATTENDED HOLY CROSS IN WASH TER? >> I DON'T RECALL. >> DID YOU KNOW RACHEL'S FRIENDS AT HOLY CROSS? >> NO. >> DID YOU EVER VISIT HER AT HOLY CROSS? >> YES. >> HOW MANY TIMES? >> ONCE OR TWICE. >> WHEN YOUR FATHER WAS LIVING AT THE HOUSE IN PLYMOUTH, YOU KNEW THAT HE OWNED HANDGUNS? >> YES. >> AND YOU KNEW THAT BECAUSE YOU HAD BEEN IN THE HOME WITH HIM WHEN YOU SAW HIS HANDGUNS? >> WHICH HOME? >> ANY HOME. >> YES. >> IN FACT, YOU TELL US, PLEASE, THE FIRST TIME YOUR DAD EVER SHOWED YOU HIS FIREARMS. >> I WAS ABOUT 11, 12. >> AND HE SHOWED YOU HIS RIFLES? >> I CAN'T RECALL WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME. >> BUT HE HAD MORE THAN ONE WEAPON? >> YES. >> AND IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL AT THE EARLY AGE OF 11 AND THEREAFTER FOR YOU TO SEE YOUR DAD AND HIS WEAPONS? >> NO. >> IT WAS UNUSUAL OR WAS NOT UNUSUAL. >> IT WAS UNUSUAL. >> BUT YOU KNEW HE HAD THEM, CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU KNOW -- WHAT HOUSE WERE YOU -- DID YOU EVER LIVE WITH HIM WHEN YOU WERE 11? >> YES. >> WHICH -- WHICH HOME. >> IN WAYMOUTH. >> AND DID YOU KNOW WHERE HE KEPT HIS GUNS AT THAT AGE, WHEN YOU WERE 11? >> NO. >> DID YOU EVER SHOOT WITH HIM IN THOSE EARLY YEARS, 11, 12, 13? >> YES. >> AND HE TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SHOOT? >> YES. >> HOW TO HANDLE A GUN? >> YES. >> HOW TO LOAD IT? >> YES. >> SAFETY? >> YES. >> CLEANING? >> YES? >> HOW OFTEN FROM THE TIME YOU WERE 11 THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL DID YOU GO SHOOTING, WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR DAD? >> I WAS -- PRETTY REGULARLY AT 11. I WAS IN A GUN CLUB AND THE JUNIOR RIFLES CLUB. AND THEN AFTER THAT IT WAS SPORADIC FROM THERE ON. I ONLY DID IT THE ONE YEAR AND THEN WE TARGET SHOT FROM THERE. >> WHEN YOUR DAD MOVED IN WITH PRISCILLA IN PLYMOUTH, DID YOU -- YOU KNEW THAT HE STILL OWNED HIS GUNS? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU KNOW WHERE HE KEPT HIS GUNS? >> NO. >> DID YOU KNOW WHERE THE GUN LOCKS WERE? >> NO. >> THE TRIGGER LOCKS? >> NO. >> YOU HAD NO IDEA? >> NO. >> DID YOU KNOW -- DID YOU EVER TALK WITH YOUR YOUNGER BROTHERS ABOUT THEIR SHOOTING ACTIVITIES? >> NOT IN PLYMOUTH, NO. >> DID THAT COME LATER? >> YES. >> WHEN THEY HAD MOVED TO CARVER? >> YES. >> AND WHEN THEY MOVED TO CARVER, DID YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR DAD KEPT HIS GUNS? >> NO. >> WAS THERE EVER ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE THE GUN TRIGGER LOCKS WERE KEPT THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF, PART OF? >> THE KEYS FOR THEM? >> WELL, I DIDN'T ASK THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND QUESTION. THE GUN TRIGGER LOCKS ARE THE THINGS THAT GO -- THAT LOCK THE TRIGGER ITSELF, RIGHT? >> YES. >> AND DID YOU EVER TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THOSE GUNS HAD TRIGGER LOCKS ON THEM? >> WE KNEW THAT -- IT WAS -- YES, I KNEW THAT THEY HAD LOCKS ON THEM. >> AND YOU KNEW IT BECAUSE YOUR DAD TOLD YOU AND/OR YOU SAW THEM WHEN YOU USED THEM? >> YES. >> AND NOW MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WAS THERE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE YOU COULD GET THE KEYS TO UNLOCK THOSE? >> NO. THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION. >> DID YOU KNOW WHERE THE KEYS WERE? >> YES. >> AND WHERE WERE THEY? >> ON THE COUNTER IN THE -- >> COUNTER IN THE KITCHEN? >> YES. >> IN CARVER? >> YES. >> HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT? >> BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE KEY LOOKS LIKE. >> IT WASN'T HIDDEN? >> NO. >> OUT IN THE OPEN ON THE COUNTER? >> YES. >> YOU WERE -- SPENT TIME IN THE HOME IN CARVER BUT DIDN'T LIVE THERE? >> YES. >> AND YOU KNEW THE LAYOUT OF THE HOME IN CARVER? >> YES. >> AND HOW MANY BEDROOMS WERE THERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR? >> ONE. >> WHOSE BEDROOM WAS IT? >> RACHEL'S. >> WERE YOU EVER THERE WHEN SHE WAS OCCUPYING THAT BEDROOM? >> YES. >> AND WAS THAT -- WHAT PERIOD OF TIME WAS THAT? >> WHEN SHE CAME HOME FROM COLLEGE OR -- YEAH. WHEN SHE WAS HOME. >> SO FOR A FEW MONTHS. >> FOR A FEW MONTHS. >> AND WERE THERE OTHER BEDROOMS IN THE HOME? >> YES. >> ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> YES. >> MORE THAN ONE? >> YES. >> HOW MANY? >> TWO. >> ONE THAT JOE AND PRISCILLA SHARED? >> YES. >> AND WHO USED THE OTHER BEDROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> MY YOUNGER BROTHERS. >>> WELCOME BACK. WE ARE LIVE. LET'S GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE COURTROOM. STILL ON CROSS-EXAMINATION, MICHAEL MATTERAZZO, THE STEPBROTHER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE. LET'S TAKE A LOOK. >> YOU WERE WORKING? >> YES. >> YOU HAD YOUR OWN FAMILY? >> YES. >> AND YOU WOULD COME AND VISIT ON OCCASION? >> YES. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT MONTH RACHEL MOVED BACK INTO CARVER? >> NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST VISITED WITH RACHEL AND LILLIAN AFTER THEY MOVED BACK FROM ENGLAND? >> NOT THE EXACT DATE, NO. >> DO YOU REMEMBER THE MONTH? >> NO. >> DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES AFTER SHE RETURNED FROM ENGLAND THAT YOU SAW RACHEL AND LILLIAN BEFORE NEIL MOVED IN WITH THEM? >> MAYBE TWICE. >> AND ON THE FIRST TIME, WAS THAT A SPECIAL EVENT? A FAMILY FUNCTION OF SOME KIND? >> NO. >> YOU JUST KIND OF DROPPED IN? >> YES. >> WAS IT A WEEKDAY OR A WEEKEND? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS A WEEKEND. >> AND WHO ELSE WAS IN THE HOME ON THAT DAY? >> MY FATHER AND PRISCILLA. >> THAT'S IT? >> YES. >> RACHEL? >> YES, RACHEL. >> LILLIAN. >> AND LILLIAN. >> AND THAT'S IT? >> YES. >> SO NO FRIENDS OF RACHEL VISITING ON THAT DAY? >> NO. >> HOW ABOUT THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU SHOWED UP AT THE HOME IN CARVER? >> I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS THERE? >> MY FATHER AND PRISCILLA, RACHEL, LILY, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT. >> NO FRIENDS OF RACHEL VISITING? >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN NEIL CAME BACK FROM ENGLAND? >> YES. MOVED IN. DO YOU SEE NEIL? >> YES. >> NOW, WHEN YOU SAW NEIL, WAS HE ANY DIFFERENT FROM WHEN YOU HAD FIRST MET HIM? >> NO. >> DID THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NEIL AND RACHEL APPEAR TO BE ANY DIFFERENT FROM THAT WHICH YOU OBSERVED IN THE YEARS PRIOR? >> NO. >> THEY WERE HAPPY? >> YES. >> THEY WERE LOVING? >> YES. >> THEY WERE EXCITED WITH THE BABY? >> YES. >> THEY PLAYED WITH THE BABY? >> YES. >> NEIL PLAYED WITH THE BABY? >> YES. >> HE CARE FOR THE BABY? >> YES. >> AND YOU SAW ALL OF THAT? >> YES. >> NATURAL, CARING? >> YES. >> AND LOVING? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> SIR, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE SHELF THAT YOU TOLD COUNSEL ABOUT IN YOUR DAD'S CARVER HOME, THE ONE THAT YOU REFERRED TO WITH THE GUN LOCK KEYS? >> YES. IT'S LIKE AN -- IN BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE LIVING ROOM. IT'S A COUNTER. ALMOST LIKE IN A -- IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISLAND, BUT IT'S WHERE MY FATHER KEEPS EVERYTHING. HIS KEYS, HIS MONEY, HIS WALLET, HIS PHONE. IT JUST KIND OF GOES UP THERE. >> WHAT DID HE USE THE WHOLE COUNTER OR A PORTION OF THE COUNTER. >> MOST OF THE RIGHT OF THE COUNTER. >> AND WAS THAT KNOWN AS A PARTICULAR AREA WHERE HE WOULD PUT HIS THINGS? >> YES. >> IS THAT WHERE YOU SAW THE KEYS TO THE GUNS THAT YOU REFERRED TO? >> YES. >> DID YOU EVER TOUCH THE KEYS WHEN THEY WERE ON THAT COUNTER? >> NO. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME PRIOR TO JANUARY 21st, 2006, THAT YOU HAD AN OCCASION TO GO SHOOTING WITH YOUR DAD AND HIS FIREARMS? >> I WAS PROBABLY 15 YEARS OLD, 16 YEARS OLD. >> AND COUNSEL ASKED YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR VISITS IN RACHEL'S JUNIOR YEAR AND SENIOR YEAR. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU CAN RECALL THE NUMBER OF WEEKENDS EACH MONTH THAT YOU WERE AT THAT HOME? >> YES. I USED TO GO OVER WHEN MY BROTHERS WERE THERE. I'D GO AND SPEND TIME WITH THEM ON THE WEEKENDS THAT THEY VISITED. >> AND IT WAS A REGULAR PATTERN? >> PRETTY REGULAR, YES. >> AND YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT CHANGED IN YOUR -- FROM RACHEL'S JUNIOR YEAR TO THE SENIOR YEAR? >> YES. >> AND WHY DID IT CHANGE? >> MY JOB. >> AND WERE THERE TIMES THAT YOU WENT THERE WHEN RACHEL WAS NOT THERE AT THAT HOME? >> YES. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, YOUR HONOR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU MAY STEP DOWN. >> GEORGE WILSON. >>> MICHAEL MATTERAZZO, THE STEPBROTHER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE AND THE UNCLE OF LILLIAN ENTWISTLE TESTIFYING THERE FOR THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS. GIVING A LOT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE FAMILY, THE NATURE OF THIS FAMILY, AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RACHEL AND NEIL. HAVING TO CONCEDE ON CROSS-EXAMINATION THAT NEIL ENTWISTLE CAME ACROSS TO EVERYBODY AS A NICE GUY, A CARING HUSBAND TO RACHEL, A DEVOTED FATHER TO THE BABY, EVEN A LOVING FATHER TO THE BABY. SO EITHER THIS IS COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED CRIME OR HE IS INNOCENT, DEPENDING ON WHICH POINT OF VIEW YOU BELIEVE INDICATES. A NEW WITNESS IS TAKING THE STAND. AS HE WALKS UP AND TAKES THE OATH, LET'S LISTEN IN. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> GEORGE WILSON. G-E-O-R-G-E, W-I-L-S-O-N. >> TELL US WHERE YOU LIVE. >> HAN OVER, MASS. >> WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? >> I'M A CONTROLLER FOR A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THAT. >> 21 YEARS. >> HOW OLD ARE YOU NOW? >> 58. >> DO YOU HAVE OTHER -- OTHER THAN WORK, DO YOU HAVE ANY HOBBIES OR OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT YOU PARTICIPATE IN? >> YES, SIR. I ENJOY THE SHOOTING SPORTS. >> IS THERE A CLUB THAT YOU BELONG TO. >> THE OLD COLONY SPORT MEN'S CLUB IN PEN BROOK, MASS. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN A MEMBER. >> 33 YEARS. >> OTHER THAN A MEMBER DO YOU HAVE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES AT THAT CLUB. >> YES, SIR, I DO. I'M THE LEAD INSTRUCTOR FOR THE JUNIOR RIFLE PROGRAM. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THAT, SIR? >> IN EXCESS OF 20 YEARS. >> CAN YOU TELL US GENERALLY ABOUT THE JUNIOR RIFLE PROGRAM? >> WE OFFER SAFETY INSTRUCTION AND A HIGH LEVEL OF FORE POSITION RIFLE SHOOTING PROGRAM TO YOUNG PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 10 AND 20. WE PROVIDE EVERY SATURDAY MORNING -- THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR -- IN EXCESS OF 30 YEARS NOW, THIS PROGRAM. A PROGRAM FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHICH IS QUITE A HIGH-LEVEL PROGRAM. WE'RE QUITE PLEASED WITH IT. IT'S WELL ATTENDED. AND IT'S ONE OF THE LOVES OF MY LIFE, IS WORKING WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE. >> AS PART OF THAT PROGRAM DO YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO TEACH CERTAIN SKILLS TO HELP NEW SHOOTERS ACQUIRE SHOOTING SKILLS? >> ALL THE TIME. >> DO YOU ALSO TEACH CERTAIN SKILLS TO TEACH THOSE PEOPLE THAT APPEAR TO BE PROFICIENT EITHER BY PRIOR EK PEERNS OR NATURALLY IMPROVE THEIR SHOOTING SKILLS? >> THAT AS WELL. >> SIR, AS PART OF THAT -- BEING PART OF THAT JUNIOR PROGRAM, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO MEET ONE OR MORE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY? >> YES B I DID. >> WHO DID YOU MEET? >> I MET ZACHARY, ANTHONY, AND THEIR DAD, JOE. >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET THEM? >> I MET THEM MID-SEPTEMBER, 2005 >> HOW WAS IT THAT YOU CAME ABOUT TO MEET THEM? >> THEY CAME TO THE CLUB AND WERE INTERESTED IN THE JUNIOR PROGRAM. ZACHARY AND ANTHONY JOINED THE JUNIOR PROGRAM. >> AND FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 2005 INTO THE EARLY PART OF 2006, WHETHER OR NOT ANTHONY AND ZACHARY REMAINED PART OF THAT JUNIOR PROGRAM? >> ANTHONY -- FIRST OF ALL, ZACHARY. ZACHARY REMAINED IN THE JUNIOR PROGRAM. CAME TO THE RIFLE SHOOTING PROGRAM EVERY SATURDAY MORNING. ANTHONY CAME FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, FIVE OR SIX WEEKS. AND THEN DECIDED HE REALLY WOULD RATHER SHOOT SKEET AND TRAP. AND HE AND HIS DAD WOULD DROP ZACH OFF AND THE TWO OF THEM WOULD GO OUT AND SHOOT ON THE TRAP CHANGE. >> WHEN YOU WOULD SEE ANTHONY AND ZACHARY AT THE CLUB, WOULD THEY BE WITH THEIR DAD, JOE? >> ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SATURDAY FROM THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER TO -- WELL, I KNOW TO DECEMBER 17th. >> NOW, AS AN INSTRUCTOR, SIR, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO OBSERVE OTHER PEOPLE SHOOTING? >> ALL THE TIME. >> CAN YOU DESCRIBE IN GENERAL TERMS THE LAYOUT OF THE FACILITY AT THE SPORTING CLUB? >> THE -- BASICALLY, THE JUNIOR PROGRAM RUNS IN OUR INDOOR RANGE WHICH IS IN THE BASEMENT OF THE BUILDING. THERE ARE NO WINDOWS. THE SKEET AND TRAP FIELDS ARE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, OUTDOORS. >> IS THERE A RIFLE RANGE OUT DOORS AS WELL. >> THERE IS A RIFLE RANGE BEHIND THE BUILDING WHICH HAS RANGES FOR WELL UP TO 200 YARDS. >> HAVE YOU HAD AN OCCASION TO SPEND TIME AT ALL OF THOSE AREAS OF THE CLUB, BOTH THE INDOOR AND THE OUTDOOR? >> I INSTRUCT IN ALL BUT THE SHOOTING -- IN ALL BUT THE ARCHERY AND THE SHOTGUN. >> WHETHER OR NOT AS AN INSTRUCTOR YOU'VE HAD AN OCCASION TO HANDLE FIREARMS THAT BELONG TO OTHER PEOPLE? >> ALL THE TIME. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON OR REASONS FOR HANDLING THEM? >> MANY TIMES PEOPLE WILL ASK ME TO BE INSTRUCTED ON A PARTICULAR FIREARM. SOMETIMES WE'RE LOOKING TO DETERMINE THE SAFETY OF THE FIREARM. BASICALLY, MY HANDLING OF FIREARMS IS USUALLY IN THE INSTRUCTION MODE. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION DURING THOSE PERIODS OF TIMES TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT -- >> I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. >> I APOLOGIZE, YOUR HONOR. DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION, SIR, DURING THOSE TIMES THAT YOU SPENT AT THE VARIOUS SEGMENTS OF THE RANGE, OF THE CLUB, OB RECEIVERING OTHER MEMBERS AND OTHER GUESTS HANDLING FIREARMS BELONGING TO THEMSELVES AND TO OTHER PERSONS? >> ALL THE TIME. >> AND WHAT REASON OR REASONS HAD YOU OBSERVED THAT HAPPENING? >> WELL, MANY TIMES I'M ASKED JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MOST OF MY LIFE. I HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND PEOPLE COME TO ME TO ASK QUESTIONS. TO BE INSTRUCTED IN THE SHOOTING SPORTS. >> AND ARE THERE OTHER PEOPLE THAT -- AT THE CLUB THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE AS WELL AND HANDLE OTHER FIREARMS, OTHER THAN THEIR OWN? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> NOW, AT EACH STATION, SIR, IF I'M GETTING THAT TERM CORRECTLY, ARE THERE PLACES WHERE FIREARMS CAN BE PLACED AS PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING? >> YES. >> AND DESCRIBE THOSE -- THOSE AREAS OR SURFACES. >> TYPICALLY ON THE INDOOR RANGE, WE HAVE SEVEN POSITIONS. EACH POSITION HAS A FOLDING BENCH THAT HAS A -- HAS A PIECE OF RUG ON THE TOP OF IT. YOU CAN MOVE THAT OUT OF THE WAY IF YOU WANT TO SHOOT IN THE PRONE POSITION. THE JUNIOR PROGRAM IS A FORE POSITION PROGRAM. WE HAVE PRONE. WE HAVE SITTING. WE HAVE STANDING AND WE HAVE KNEELING POSITIONS. THE OUTDOOR RANGES HAVE WOODEN BENCHES AND CONCRETE BENCHES. >> NOW, WOULD YOU HAVE -- YOU MENTIONED FROM SEPTEMBER 2005 AT LEAST THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2005, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE JOE MATTERAZZO THERE WITH HIS FIREARMS? >> YES, I DID. >> WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE ANY RECOLLECTION OF HAVING HANDLED ANY OF HIS FIREARMS? >> YES. I DO BELIEVE I DID. >> DO YOU RECALL WHAT TYPES OF FIREARMS THAT YOU SAW HIM WITH? >> I -- MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT ON ONE PARTICULAR SATURDAY MORNING, JOE CAME WITH A LONG BARREL .22 CALIBER PISTOL. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS? >> IT WAS SOMETIME LATE FALL. I COULDN'T BE ANYMORE GENERAL -- EXACT THAN THAT. >> 2005? >> 2005. >> I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION, IF I COULD, TO SATURDAY, JANUARY 21st, 2005. WERE YOU AT THE CLUB THAT DAY IN YOUR CAPACITY AS AN INSTRUCTOR? >> YES, I WAS. >> AND DO YOU RECALL -- WERE YOU THERE IN THE MORNING? >> YES B I WAS. >> DO YOU RECALL SEEING ANYBODY FROM THE MATTERAZZO FAMILY THERE THAT MORNING? >> YES, I DID. >> WHO DID YOU SEE. >> I SAW JOE MATTERAZZO, HIS SON MIKE, AND ANTHONY. >> WAS ZACHARY THERE THAT DAY? >> NO, HE WAS NOT. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU SAW HIM AT THE CLUB, OR THEM AT THE CLUB? >> THEY CAME INTO THE INDOOR RANGE SOMEWHERE IN THE 10:00 TO 10:15 RANGE. THEY CAME IN AND SAID GOOD MORNING. THEY SAID ZACH WOULD NOT BE THERE. I BELIEVE HE WASN'T FEELING WELL. AND THEY DID NOT SPEND ANY MORE THAN A MINUTE OR TWO. I REMEMBER THIS BECAUSE I HAD NOT MET -- I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE JOE HAD ANOTHER SON. >> JUST WAIT FOR A QUESTION IF YOU WOULD, SIR. >> SORRY. >> SIR, YOU HAD MENTIONED A MEETING A MICHAEL MATTERAZZO. >> CORRECT. >> YOU MET HIM THERE THAT DAY. PRIOR TO THAT DAY HAD YOU MET THAT OTHER SON, MICHAEL? >> NO, I HADN'T. >> HOW MUCH TIME DID WROU SPEND THERE AT THE CLUB THAT DAY YOURSELF? >> I WAS THERE FROM 9:30 TO NOON. >> AND HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU SPEND IN THE PRESENCE OF JOE MATTERAZZO AND HIS SONS, ANTHONY AND MICHAEL. >> A MINUTE OR TWO. >> DID YOU SEE THEM AGAIN THAT DAY. >> NO, I DID NOT. >> WHEN YOU SAW THEM, WHAT WERE THEY DOING? >> THEY CAME TO SAY GOOD MORNING. TELL ME ZACHARY WASN'T GOING TO BE THERE. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING? >> NO, SIR. >> WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THEM? DID THEY HAVE ANYTHING WITH THEM? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> AND YOU WENT ABOUT YOUR DUTIES THAT DAY? >> I DID. >> IF YOU COULD CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO LATER IN 2006, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO SPEAK TO ONE OR MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN CONNECTION WITH THIS CASE? >> I DID. >> DID YOU GIVE THEM A STATEMENT? >> I DID. >> AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME WERE YOU ASKED TO PROVIDE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO THE POLICE? >> YES. >> AND WHAT WAS THAT? >> A DNA SWAB. >> AND DO YOU RECALL WHEN THAT WAS? >> NO, SIR, I DON'T. >> ONE MOMENT, JUDGE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU MAY STEP DOWN. >>> LOOKS LIKE A GOOD CHANCE TO GET OUR BREAK IN. SHOULD THE JURY HEAR ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ALLEGED SEXUAL ESCAPADES? WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL HEAR WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT AS WE REVEAL OUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF THE DAY. STAY WITH US. >>> A MOTHER AND BABY ARE FOUND DEAD. THE VICTIM'S HUSBAND FLEES THE COUNTRY. NOW NEIL ENTWISTLE THE BACK TO FACE THE JURY. MORE LIVE COVERAGE AHEAD ON OPEN COURT. >>> WE ASKED YOU TODAY IN OUR QUESTION OF THE DAY, SHOULD THE JURY HEAR ABOUT NEIL ENTWISTLE'S ALLEGED SEXUAL ESCAPADES? OUR ANSWER COMES FROM BEBBY IN WALKER, WEST VIRGINIA. SHE WRITES, A BIG YES. THE JURY MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A MOTIVE AND THIS WOULD HELP THEM MAKE SOME SENSE OUT OF THIS TRAGEDY. SCOTT PETERSON'S ONLINE SEX SEARCHES WERE ENTERED AS WELL AS MARK JENSEN'S. SO, YES, IT SHOULD COME IN. THANKS FOR THAT ANSWER, DEBBIE. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A VERY CAREFUL AND FAITHFUL VIEWER. LET'S GET YOU BACK INTO THE COURTROOM NOW BECAUSE A NEW WITNESS TOOK THE STAND A MOMENT AGO. THIS IS JOSEPH MATTERAZZO. HE'S THE STEPFATHER OF RACHEL ENTWISTLE. >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID JEROME MOVE OUT? >> YES. >> WHICH ONE IS THE OLDER ONE, JEROME OR -- >> JEROME'S THE OLDEST, YES. >> WHEN DID HE MOVE OUT IF YOU RECALL A YEAR. >> HE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN HE WENT TO COLLEGE IN NORTH CAROLINA. >> WHAT ABOUT RACHEL? DID SHE REMAIN IN THE HOME FOR A PERIOD OF TIME? >> YES. >> HOW LONG? >> SHE WAS A JUNIOR IN SCHOOL WHEN I MET HER, SO -- >> WAS THAT COLLEGE OR HIGH SCHOOL. >> HIGH SCHOOL. SO SHE LIVED TOGETHER WITH US HER JUNIOR AND SENIOR YEAR. THEN SHE WENT TO COLLEGE. >> WHERE DID SHE GO TO COLLEGE. >> HOLY CROSS. >> WHAT CITY OR TOWN WAS THAT IN. >> WORCESTER? >> HOW MANY TIME DID SHE SPEND. >> THREE YEARS. >> SO A FOUR-YEAR PROGRAM. >> YES. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE COLLEGE. >> MANY TIMES YES. >> ALONE OR WITH PRISCILLA. >> WITH PRISCILLA AND RACHEL. WE USED TO GO TO ALL HER COLLEGE EVENTS. >> YOU MENTIONED AT SOME POINT IN TIME RACHEL SPENT A YEAR ELSEWHERE. >> YES. >> WHERE DID SHE GO? >> ENGLAND. >> WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR HER GOING THERE? >> SHE WENT THERE HER JUNIOR YEAR JUST AS AN EXCHANGE. YOU KNOW, LIKE TO GO TO SCHOOL IN ENGLAND. >> DURING THE PERIODS OF TIME THAT SHE WASN'T IN SCHOOL DURING SCHOOL BREAKS IN THE SUMMER, WHERE WOULD RACHEL LIVE? >> WITH US. >> HOW DID SHE GET ALONG WITH HER MOM, PRISCILLA? >> THEY HAD THE CLOSEST RELATIONSHIP OF ANYBODY I KNOW. >> AND WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF AND RACHEL DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN SHE WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN COLLEGE. >> I TRIED TO BE AS MUCH OF A FATHER TO RACHEL AS I COULD. HER FATHER HAD PASSED AWAY WHEN SHE WAS YOUNG. >> DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO OBSERVE ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE RACHEL WOULD SPEND TIME WITH HER FRIENDS? >> YES. >> WHAT ABOUT IN HIGH SCHOOL? DID CHEF FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL? >> YES. >> DO YOU RECALL ANY NAMES IN PARTICULAR THAT COME TO MIND THAT SHE HAD, HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS. >> SHE HAD SO MANY. YEAH. E.W. BUZZ PROBABLY HER CLOSEST. MICHELLE. THERE WERE TWO MICHELLES. THEY WERE BASICALLY HER CLOSEST FRIENDS THAT WERE USUALLY OVER AT THE HOUSE A LOT. >> WHAT ABOUT DURING HER COLLEGE YEARS? WAS THERE A CERTAIN CIRCLE OF FRIENDS THAT SHE HAD. >> OH, YEAH. SHE HAD JOEY. JOANNA. AND SHE HAD QUITE A FEW OF HER FRIENDS WERE FOREIGN FRIENDS. IF YOU ASK ME THEIR NAMES, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THEM. BUT SHE HAD QUITE A FEW FRIENDS AT COLLEGE. SHE WAS VERY POPULAR. >> DID SHE FINISH COLLEGE, THE FULL FOUR YEARS? >> YES. >> WHAT DID SHE DO AFTER COLLEGE? >> SHE WENT BACK TO ENGLAND TO GET CERTIFIED AS A TEACHER. >> AND AFTER SHE GOT CERTIFIED, WHAT DID SHE DO? >> SHE TAUGHT SCHOOL AT ST. AUGUSTIN'S. >> DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT SHE HAD ANY FRIENDS WHEN SHE STUDIED OVER IN ENGLAND FIRST THE JUNIOR YEAR IN COLLEGE AND ALSO DURING THE ADDITIONAL YEAR AFTER COLLEGE? >> YES. SHE MADE MANY FRIENDS IN ENGLAND. SHE LOVED ENGLAND AND LOVED THE ENGLISH PEOPLE. >> AUGUST OF 2003, DO YOU RECALL THAT -- THAT MONTH? LET ME ASK YOU THIS. DID YOU DRN AT SOME POINT IN TIME DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO MEET SOMEBODY THAT MAY I APPROACHLE MET OVER IN ENGLAND? >> YES. >> AND WHO DID SHE MEET? >> NEIL. >> NEIL ENS WISLE? >> YES. >> WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET HIM? >> I DON'T REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST TIME. SHE -- PROBABLY DURING BREAK. >> SPRING BREAK? >> PROBABLY DURING SCHOOL BREAK, I WOULD THINK. BUT I REALLY DON'T -- I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. >> DID YOU EVER GO -- EXCUSE ME. DID YOU EVER GO OVER TO ENGLAND, SIR? >> NO. >> SO IT WAS WHEN THE DEFENDANT CAME OVER -- OVER HERE? >> YES. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER IF THAT WAS DURING HER FIRST YEAR OVER IN THE U.K. OR WAS IT THE LATTER YEAR THAT SHE SPENT, IF YOU REMEMBER? >> YEAH. I THINK IT WAS THE LATTER YEAR. >> DID THE TWO OF THEM DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP? >> YES. >> DESCRIBE THAT RELATIONSHIP. >> THEY HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP. >> AND A BIG THANKS TO OUR CORRESPONDENT, BETH KARAS REPORTING LIVE FROM MASSACHUSETTS TODAY. THANKS ALSO TO OUR GUESTS GILL ALBA AND LINDA KENNY BODDEN. IF ONLY WE HAD HAD MORE TALK TIME. >> MORE IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO THE TRIAL LIVE. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT. TIME TO CHECK IN WITH RICKY COLLIE MEN IN FOR JAMI FLOYD. >> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. ON BEST BEFENCE WE ARE GOING TO HEAR MORE FROM THE STEPFATHER OF RACHEL. SO WE'RE GOING TO LEARN ABOUT THE WHOLE RELATIONSHIP OF RACHEL AND NEIL ENS WISLE AND ULTIMATICALLY WHAT MAY HAVE GONE WRONG. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS, RICKY. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN JUST A MINUTE. THAT WRAPS UP MY TIME WITH YOU ON OPEN COURT. I'M LISA BLOOM. I'LL BE BACK HERE TOMORROW MORNING 9:00 A.M. EASTERN FOR MORE TRIAL COVERAGE. THANKS FOR WATCHING. I'LL SEE YOU TORM. |